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Old 22-07-2016, 01:03 PM
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Smaller developments dotted around is the right way to go about it instead of one massive building (followed by more and more)
There is the land to build enough smaller developments to create 220 dwellings is there?

Never a perfect answer when it comes to development.
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I've not studied the plans and I'm not saying that it is necessarily the right solution, but 17 stories is shit all in this day and age
Is this an improvement?

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If you're against redevelopment and progress then move away
You're an idiot.

Onto the actual topic at hand, nothing against high rise buildings but 17 stories is ridiculous and its hard to see how that's going to make purley town centre better in anyway. Not sure where exactly the parking for these hundreds of new homes is going to go either?

I'm all for redvelopment but this does seem very slapdash.

I'd love to know what the strategy is for regeneration beyond just dumping this building in the town centre and hoping for the best.
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Purely centre is in desperate need for investment and regeneration.

It is packed with charity shops, closed down stores, plus the fine dining of Wimpy and Starburger. The old Sainsbury's site has been derelict so long that the new Sainsbury's site that replaced it has now been derelict for something like a decade itself.

I've not studied the plans and I'm not saying that it is necessarily the right solution, but 17 stories is shit all in this day and age, and it might just be the trigger / catalyst to get Purely back to it's heyday of bustling quality shops.
It's not "Shit all" when the next highest building is 4 floors.

Ok, I get it that people think there needs to be development in the centre of Purley, and yes it isn't what it used to be due to a plethora of reasons, but the Baptists Church's 'mission' the "Put The Heart Back Into Purley" will not be achieved in this way...certainly not as they've only made provisions for 20 parking spaces for those 220 families.

Surely the idea of improving the area would be better done by not only developing the 'old' sainsburys site, but also the 'new' site as well as that bit of parking wasteland by the Baptist Church, but done in such a way that it doesn't wind the locals up by being 13 floors too tall.

The bustling quality shops were all generally smaller shops, so spreading out the new population should also encourage the smaller shops again, instead of continually promoting the Capitalist behemoths.
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Old 22-07-2016, 01:17 PM
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There is the land to build enough smaller developments to create 220 dwellings is there?

Never a perfect answer when it comes to development.

Using the 2 Sainsburys sites and the current Baptist Church site (behind the Pear Tree / Rectory), and yes, you would be able to.

I'd say that was a perfect answer.

Oh, and planting Pear Trees along the roads would be a nice touch too
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Out of interest, who is actually directly impacted by this proposal? I would assume that given the proposed location then nobody is going to suffer any 'light' issues and that in terms of impact of building work and so on, then perhaps the people in the flats above the shops opposite on Russell Hill parade but outside of that, what is the impact on local residents? It is an isolated site, there seems to be adequate scope for building machinery access and whilst any construction work brings certain issues with it, are they really any more than usual?
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Old 22-07-2016, 01:46 PM
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Anyone looking at this will be affected...

it's not just light issues

MP Chris Philp is fighting this too, please have a quick look at his website:
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The surrounding streets might be decent but the town centre is an absolute disgrace, given the wealth and potential that surrounds it. Bringing more people to live in it can only be a good thing because that could (and I stress the could because it seems plain that Croydon council have zero interest in doing anything to help the south of the borough) stoke up the demand and lead to move private investment.
Zero sympathy for the people in the south of the borough. They don't support local businesses, don't participate in the community, they are as selfish and barbarian in their outlook as the those in the north and central areas and just as feckless in terms of improving their lot.

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Old 22-07-2016, 01:56 PM
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Using the 2 Sainsburys sites and the current Baptist Church site (behind the Pear Tree / Rectory), and yes, you would be able to.

I'd say that was a perfect answer.

Oh, and planting Pear Trees along the roads would be a nice touch too
Are they vacating the existing church?

If not the development is on the old Sainsburys site so even if you built half of it on the newer Sainsburys site you would only bring it down to about 9 stories wouldn't you?

Are there any plans for the more recent Sainsburys site? Doesn't the Swimming pool complex go over part of it?
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As a Resident I can confirm Purley is now a shit hole place to live. well if you are on the East of the Brighton Road up on the estates to the West I doubt they even venture in to Purley/Croydon/Coulsdon. Guess they toodle along to Banstead for their Chia Lattes'

What I do not want is even more ******* parking problems, 17 storeys of flats and 30% allocation of parking. Most houses down my street even the two person ones have two cars!

I don't know how flats get away with the parking part of planning. There is a fairly newish block near Redhill so many residents parking on the road as the car park is full, so much so the Council have yellow lined it.
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What I do not want is even more ******* parking problems, 17 storeys of flats and 30% allocation of parking. Most houses down my street even the two person ones have two cars!

I don't know how flats get away with the parking part of planning. There is a fairly newish block near Redhill so many residents parking on the road as the car park is full, so much so the Council have yellow lined it.
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I don't know how flats get away with the parking part of planning. There is a fairly newish block near Redhill so many residents parking on the road as the car park is full, so much so the Council have yellow lined it.
There was a development off of Chipstead Valley Road that provided one parking space for every four residences. Croydon's argument was the area was well served by public transport. Anyone who knows the area will disagree with that.

There is something peculiar about flats in relation to vehicles. It 'seems' like the car ownership is higher per capita than houses. This is purely anecdotal looking at Wallington and Coulsdon but it's remarkable. An example: one bed flat, three vehicles. 'He' has a work vehicle plus a private car as does 'she'. A very common scenario.

The only way it can change and improve is to really think outside the box and perhaps take some measures to ban commercial vehicles from being parked in private streets.
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Councils do seem a bit vague in how and when they apply the traffic impact regulations.
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Councils do seem a bit vague in how and when they apply the traffic impact regulations.
When Brown Envelope Contents have been deposited into offshore holding account, Traffic Impact Regulations will be applied once building work has finished and locals realise they've been lied to.


Interestingly the Purley Baptist minister behind all of this will be moving out of the area before building commences. Surprise, Sur-bloody-prise.

Oh and amazing 'artists impression' with loads of trees
How about showing what it will actually look like, not from the perspective of a burrowing stoat surrounded by grass and trees..?!
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You're an idiot.

Onto the actual topic at hand, nothing against high rise buildings but 17 stories is ridiculous and its hard to see how that's going to make purley town centre better in anyway. Not sure where exactly the parking for these hundreds of new homes is going to go either?

I'm all for redvelopment but this does seem very slapdash.

I'd love to know what the strategy is for regeneration beyond just dumping this building in the town centre and hoping for the best.
He's right, the location is that of a town centre. Tall buildings are appropriate for town centre's. Having seen the image, it looks good and would fit well in Purley, it could be the catalyst for a general improvement of the area.

All the arguments I've seen can easily be dismissed as nimbyism. It looks very much to me like the right building in the right place.
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He's right, the location is that of a town centre. Tall buildings are appropriate for town centre's. Having seen the image, it looks good and would fit well in Purley, it could be the catalyst for a general improvement of the area.

All the arguments I've seen can easily be dismissed as nimbyism. It looks very much to me like the right building in the right place.
Of course it's a case of 'nimbyism', because it's completely out if character. You'd expect to see a seventeen storey building in the centre of Croydon or another large town or city. Purley isn't that, it's a residential area with a small high street and a supermarket.

Redevelopment of the Sainsbury and pool site with a mixture of leisure and residential would be good, something with a similar style to the Phoenix centre on roundshaw.

As for the site in question, I think a smaller development would be a lot more suitable, and might encourage development in other parts of Purley.
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