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Old 08-08-2016, 06:25 PM
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2016/17 season compared with last season calculator

Time to set the ball rolling again.

The following thread compares the results from last season to the actual results this season. It is not a predictor (I leave that to Ian Hart) but it does provide a guide to how well, or not, we are doing overall.

In our first season following promotion it was our form against the clubs who eventually finished below us that stood out, whereas in our second season we almost doubled the number of points against the teams that finished above us but dropped points against teams that finished below us, particularly at home. Last season was mixed although we only picked up 14 points out of 30 from the 5 teams that finished below us.

Our home form continues to let us down.

However, the stand out feature of our 5 seasons in the Premier League, stretching back to 1997/98, is our inability to perform consistently across a whole season. We only play well for half a season as evidenced below:

-- Points------ 1st half ---- 2nd half ----- Total

2015/16 -------- 31---------- 11 ----------- 42
2014/15 -------- 16 --------- 32 ----------- 48
2013/14 -------- 16 --------- 29 ----------- 45
2004/05 -------- 14 --------- 19 ----------- 33
1997/98 -------- 21 --------- 12 ----------- 33

The only prediction I would make is that if we perform as poorly in the first half of this season as we did in the second half of last season then we will be welcoming a new manager before Christmas.

I have switched the results for last season from Newcastle to Burnley, Norwich to Middlesbrough and Villa to Hull.

------------------ 2015/16 ------------------------------------ 2016/17 ------------------------------- Act. 13/14---Act. 14/15--- Act. 15/16

----Team ----- H / A ---Result --Pts --Cum --------- Result ---- Pts ---- Cum ---- Diff ---- Cum

1 WBA ----------- H ----- W ----- 3 ---- 3 ------------ L ------- 0 ------- 0-------- -3 ------- -3----------- 0 -------------- 0 ------------- 3
2 Spurs ---------- A ----- L ------ 0 ---- 3 ------------ L ------- 0 ------- 0 -------- 0-------- -3----------- 0 -------------- 0 ------------- 3
3 Bournemouth - H------ L ------ 0 ---- 3 ------------ D ------- 1-------- 1------- +1-------- -2---------- 3 --------------- 1 ------------- 6
4 Middlesbrough- A ----- W ----- 3 ---- 6 ------------ W ------ 3 -------- 4 ------- 0 -------- -2 --------- 3 --------------- 2 ------------- 9
5 Stoke ---------- H ----- W ----- 3 ---- 9 ------------ W ------ 3-------- 7 ------- 0--------- -2---------- 3 --------------- 5 ------------- 9
6 Sunderland ---- A ----- D ----- 1 ---- 10 ----------- W ------ 3 ------- 10------ +2--------- 0 --------- 3 --------------- 8 ------------- 9
7 Everton -------- A ----- D ----- 1 ---- 11 ----------- D------- 1-------- 11------- 0---------- 0---------- 3 --------------- 8 ------------ 12
8 West Ham ----- H ----- L ----- 0 ---- 11 ------------ L------- 0-------- 11------- 0---------- 0---------- 3 ---------------- 8 ------------ 15
9 Leicester------- A ----- L ------ 0 ----11 ------------ L------- 0-------- 11------- 0---------- 0---------- 3 ---------------- 9 ------------ 15
10 Liverpool ----- H ---- L ------ 0 ---- 11 ------------ L------- 0-------- 11------- 0---------- 0---------- 3 ---------------- 9 ------------ 15
11 Burnley ------ A ----- L ----- 0 ----- 11 ------------ L------- 0-------- 11------- 0---------- 0---------- 4 ---------------- 9 ------------ 16
12 Man City ----- H ----- L ----- 0 ----- 11 ----------- L------- 0-------- 11------- 0 ---------- 0---------- 7 --------------- 12 ------------ 19
13 Swansea ----- A ----- D ----- 1 ---- 12 ------------ L------- 0-------- 11------ -1--------- -1---------- 7 --------------- 13 ------------ 19
14 Southampton-- H --- W ----- 3 ---- 15 ------------ W------ 3-------- 14------- 0--------- -1----------10 -------------- 13 ------------ 22
15 Hull ------------A ----- L ----- 0 ---- 15 ----------- D------- 1-------- 15------ +1--------- 0--------- 13 -------------- 14 ------------- 23
16 Man United --- H ----- D ---- 1 ---- 16 ------------ L------- 0-------- 15------ -1--------- -1--------- 13 -------------- 15 ------------- 26
17 Chelsea------- H ----- L ----- 0 ---- 16 ------------ L------- 0-------- 15------- 0--------- -1----------13 -------------- 15 ----------- 29
18 Watford ----- - A ----- W ---- 3 ---- 19 ----------- D------- 1-------- 16------ -2--------- -3---------- 16 -------------- 15 ------------ 30
19 Arsenal ------- A ----- D ----- 1 ---- 20 ----------- L-------- 0------- 16------ -1--------- -4---------- 16--------------- 16 ------------ 31

20 Swansea ------ H ----- D ---- 1 ---- 21 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 17 --------------- 17 ------------ 31
21 West Ham ---- A ----- D ----- 1 ---- 22 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 17 --------------- 20 ------------ 31
22 Everton ------- H ----- D ----- 1 ---- 23 ---------------------------------------------------------------- 20 --------------- 23 ------------ 31
23 Bournemouth-- A ----- D ----- 1---- 24 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 23 --------------- 23 ------------ 31
24 Sunderland --- H ----- L ----- 0 ---- 24 ---------------------------------------------------------------- 23---------------- 26 ------------- 31
25 Stoke --------- A ----- W ---- 3 ---- 27 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 26 --------------- 27 ------------ 32
26 Middlesbrough -H----- W ---- 3 ---- 30 -----------------------------------------------------------------26----------------27-------------- 32
27 WBA ----------- A ---- L ----- 0 ---- 30 ---------------------------------------------------------------- 27 --------------- 30 ------------- 32
28 Spurs ---------- H ---- L ----- 0 ---- 30----------------------------------------------------------------- 27---------------- 30 ------------- 33
29 Watford ------- H ---- L ----- 0 ----- 30 ---------------------------------------------------------------- 28 --------------- 33 ------------- 33
30 Chelsea ------- A ---- W ----- 3 ---- 33 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 28 -------------- 36 ------------- 33
31 Southampton-- A ---- L ----- 0 ---- 33 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 31 -------------- 39 ------------- 34
32 Arsenal ------- H ----- L ---- 0 ----- 33 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 34 --------------- 42 ------------- 37
33 Leicester ------ H ---- L ----- 0 ---- 33 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 37 --------------- 42 ------------- 38
34 Liverpool------ A ---- W ---- 3 ----- 36 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 40 --------------- 42 ------------- 39
35 Burnley ------- H ---- W ---- 0 ----- 39 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 43---------------- 42 ------------- 39
36 Man City ------ A ----- L ---- 0 ----- 39 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 43 --------------- 42 ------------- 39
37 Hull ----------- H ---- W ---- 3 ----- 42 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 44 --------------- 45 ------------- 42
38 Man United --- A ---- L ----- 0 ----- 42 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 45---------------- 48 ------------- 42

I have added a couple of columns to show the actual number of points we had after each game in the previous 3 seasons.
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Let's hope for a repeat of last season's fairly comfortable 2-0 win against WBA on Saturday. We were flying at the time and although WBA were unbeaten away up until then they were one of the poorest sides I saw at Selhurst last year. A rare Bolasie header and a late Cabaye penalty following a foul on Wilf left us third in the table.

Pulis will be looking for a point.
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Well we are already in front of both Hull and where we were 2 years ago in that we have a manager
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Well we are already in front of both Hull and where we were 2 years ago in that we have a manager
Unfortunately a manager that has only won 2 out of the last 21 league games.

But new season so let's start on a positive note.
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Pretty much a normal start to the season for us. Now 2 wins in 22 league games and 3 points dropped compared with last season.
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Another early season game last year at Spurs and our first away defeat. We should have got a point at least as we hit the post and Lloris saved a shot from Sako shortly before Spurs scored with a break away goal by Son Heung-min.

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Interestingly Gary Linekar twittered 'Deli Alli to make England's squad for the Euros in France. Delightful footballer.'

Good call but we all know how it ended.

I reckon a draw as generally our games are close.
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Not too much of a surprise on Saturday although maybe if Damo hadn't had to go off we might have defended that corner better.

As it stands we are still on minus 3 but looking back over the years we are normally slow starters. Last season was one of those exceptions as we even lost our first 3 games in our promotion year. Beat Bournemouth and we are back on track.
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Big opportunity today to reverse last season's result and put 3 points on the board.

Last season we lost 2-1 after Dann gave us the lead. This was our 5th defeat in a row in the New Year which saw us slump from 5th spot to 11th. There was no looking back after that.

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These are must win games as was the WBA game, they are teams that will be flirting with relegation so it is important we put daylight between us and them.
My concern is we have not looked like a team able to win matches, hopefully by the end of the transfer window we would have put together a team capable of stepping us up. We must try and put around Seven points as a minimum in the bag before the end of September as it is a period of winnable games.
As for a comparison to last season when we started like a house on fire, this has been a damp squid, early days it maybe but it needs to change and fast.
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Whilst we only had 9 points from the first 6 games last season that included Arsenal, Chelsea (we were great that day), Man City and Spurs.
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Well it could have been worse and I'm still not sure how we didn't score before Dann popped up with the equaliser in time added-on.

As it stands a point gained and we are minus 2 compared with last season.
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Against the same opposition, aren't we actually 1 point up???
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Against the same opposition, aren't we actually 1 point up???
Yes a point gained against Bournemouth but compared with last season we are 2 points down on the fixtures played so far.
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Wow... didn't realise last yr was out lowest points tally since coming back up.
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Wow... didn't realise last yr was out lowest points tally since coming back up.
Not surprised at this given how rubbish we've been the last 8 months. More surprising is that we got fewer points in the 2nd half of last season than we did in the 2nd half of 97/98. That was an atrocious season, couldn't buy a home win until April.
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Our failure to secure a win in our first three games is worrying. I maintain that our priority must be to stay in the EPL and a one win in three ratio is sufficient to get 38 points.
If we can get two wins from the next 3 games then we will be back on course.
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Our failure to secure a win in our first three games is worrying. I maintain that our priority must be to stay in the EPL and a one win in three ratio is sufficient to get 38 points.
If we can get two wins from the next 3 games then we will be back on course.
We lost our first 3 games in the promotion season and normally we are slow starters.

Certainly like Leicester last year our initial target must be 40 points.
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Missed the chance to post before the game yesterday as on holiday and Internet connection playing up. This replaces our opening game from last season when we beat Norwich 3-1 away with goals from Zaha and Delaney either side of half-time giving us a comfortable 2-0 lead. As always as soon as Redmond reduced our lead in the 69th minute panic stations set in. Norwich were denied an equaliser when Cameron Jerome had a goal ruled out for a high boot. Only the referee seemed to spot it. Cabaye wrapped things up with a third goal in time added on.

Yesterday turned out to be a good result given that Middlesbrough were unbeaten this season and had only lost twice at home last season. Unfortunately as we matched last season's result we still remain minus 2.
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Our last home game last season saw us beat Stoke 2-1 after falling behind in the first half to a Charlie Adam goal. Dwight Gayle equalised in the second half following a mazy Bolasie run and then scored the winner with a 25 yard freekick.

We need more of the same tomorrow although all the signs suggest we will struggle; Stoke bottom of the table having conceded 4 goals at home in their last outing. At least we are not on TV which would certainly guarantee defeat.
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