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Old 02-07-2017, 04:08 AM
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Harsh but fair.

Thorough waste of time and possibly talent. Not that we saw it, bar one substitute cross.
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Old 02-07-2017, 05:52 AM
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They gave him THREE years??? Madness.
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:05 AM
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To be fair it's not his fault that we panic bought. Hopefully we'll be a bit more measured in our approach now. He must have done well financially through all of this!
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:43 AM
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There was something behind the scenes with him. He does have some talent, and I wish him well with Barnsley, but we were never the right club for him.

We have suffered with some of our 'due diligence' in the past. I doubt FDB will make similar mistakes.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:10 AM
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Another panic signing on the last day of a transfer window this one in the summer of 2014

Not surprised he played so few games nowhere near Premier League standard

Allardyce said in his last press conferences at the end of last season on planning for 2017-18 - 'important to get your targets identified early, even more important to get them signed early

Going in to our fifth season in the Premier League we still haven't learned
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:15 AM
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I'm talking about the quality of signings we have made since we got promoted

We have had eight transfer windows and have six or seven players of genuine Premier League quality and another six or seven who are good enough to be Premier League squad members

When this season's twenty five man squad is named it will contain five players who played in the play-off final in May 2013, Speroni, Ward, Delaney, Williams and Zaha

Since we got promoted we have signed a whole squad of twenty five who have not improved our starting eleven

Neal Alexander, Jack Hunt, Barry Bannan, Elliott Grandin, Florian Marange, Adlene Guédiora, Jimmy Kébé, Jerome Thomas, José Campaña, Tom Ince, Zeki Fryers, Fraizer Campbell, Kevin Doyle, Andrew Johnson, Chung-Yong Lee, Jordon Mutch, Foluwashola Ameobi, Yaya Sanogo, Emmanuel Adebayor, Patrick Bamford, Alex McCarthy, Bakary Sako, Steve Mandanda, Mathieu Flamini, Loïc Rémy

Maybe people think these players have been value for money and have improved the squad?
We've also signed cabaye, dann, MacArthur, Townsend, benteke, zaha, pva, schlupp, luka, Gayle, Tomkins, puncheon. Maybe a few more.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:41 AM
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Wow - tough crowd tonight!
Unfortunate but True what is said about the modern footballer, as he brings it on himself as all that seems to matter is the money without putting any effort into Earning it.
Look no further that our own Fryers and Sako,collectively getting very close to 100k p.w reputedly we are told, for what?
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:23 AM
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Must have a top agent to get him a championship contract
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:28 AM
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:31 AM
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I would say, on the whole, the opposite is true.

Clubs knew we were desperate for reinforcements in Jan and we ended up paying through the snout for PVA and Schlupp
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:39 AM
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I would say, on the whole, the opposite is true.

Clubs knew we were desperate for reinforcements in Jan and we ended up paying through the snout for PVA and Schlupp
Exactly. It's a myth you get better value near the end. Selling clubs can smell the desperation. How about we get our business largely done before the start of the season for once...
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One of the differences with buying closer to the end of the transfer window is wages. If you buy a guy 8 weeks later than you could have and he's on £50k p/w, that's £400k.

I agree though, it doesn't make much sense to me, and the truth is that you don't have much power as the buyer imo.
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One of the differences with buying closer to the end of the transfer window is wages. If you buy a guy 8 weeks later than you could have and he's on £50k p/w, that's £400k.

I agree though, it doesn't make much sense to me, and the truth is that you don't have much power as the buyer imo.
If you have invested £10m in a player, that pre-season training and gelling with the squad is maybe the difference of a player being a success or not, so although you save £400k you may waste more in false economy.
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Unfortunate but True what is said about the modern footballer, as he brings it on himself as all that seems to matter is the money without putting any effort into Earning it.
Look no further that our own Fryers and Sako,collectively getting very close to 100k p.w reputedly we are told, for what?
Not disagreeing about Fryers and Sakho in particular, but to even it up a bit it is only the modern, successful footballer, who has reached near the the top, who are in a position to demand the big money, whereas there are thousands of very good players lower in the pyramid, but perhaps still "semi pro" level, who are forced to play at their cost, just to get a chance at the big time

So even if the likes of Fryers and Sakho are lucky to earn the money they do, there are thousands of players whom one could say earn much less than their talent perhaps deserves
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Unfortunate but True what is said about the modern footballer, as he brings it on himself as all that seems to matter is the money without putting any effort into Earning it.
Look no further that our own Fryers and Sako,collectively getting very close to 100k p.w reputedly we are told, for what?
The Sako thing gets raised all of the time. As I understand it (sketchy at best)- out of contract players always negotiate a higher wage because the club doesn't have a transfer fee to pay. This has been the case for as long as I can remember.

I don't know what a transfer fee would have been for Sako but as he had just scored 15 goals in the Championship from the wing and it wouldn't have been cheap. So at say £5m he would have been cheap back then. But let's say he doesn't get all of that but instead gets £3m over a 3 year contract. That's worth about £20k per week. If it's £4m then that's £25k. The remaining £35k or £30k would be his 'normal wages as a goal scoring winger. (hindsight is wonderful but not available when negotiating contracts.

I don't know exactly how this works but to the club it still looks like a good deal on paper and probably better for cash flow otherwise they would pay it as a signing on fee. The point is you can't look at his wages and compare them directly to others without taking this into account. This is despite whatever you/we think about his ability/performance.

I had thought we paid for Fryers and so this wouldn't apply. But he was ex ManU, Ex Spurs, European competition experience and so on and wouldn't have helped. But I thought he was on £20k. So together they are on £75k. I don't think it helps your blood pressure but I did try (I am going by that Wisden of football the daily Star) To view the link you have to Register or Login
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I feel a bit for Zeki Fryers. Obviously we don't know what is or has been going on in his life but clearly he has some talent otherwise he wouldn't have been signed up by Manchester United or Tottenham.

I think last season we saw glimpses of what he can offer as an attacking full back. The trouble for me is that his positioning and ability to track back totally compromises him as he was far too often stuck 50 yards away from where he should be.

It's almost like he needs to play a position like Centre Back where he has to stay in one position otherwise he is always going to end up out of position.
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Sako was very much a Parish signing wasn't he? Didn't he have it pretty much sealed around the time Pardew arrived?
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He signed 8 months after Pardew took over.
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I feel a bit for Zeki Fryers. Obviously we don't know what is or has been going on in his life but clearly he has some talent otherwise he wouldn't have been signed up by Manchester United or Tottenham.

I think last season we saw glimpses of what he can offer as an attacking full back. The trouble for me is that his positioning and ability to track back totally compromises him as he was far too often stuck 50 yards away from where he should be.

It's almost like he needs to play a position like Centre Back where he has to stay in one position otherwise he is always going to end up out of position.
My suspicion about the signing(s) of Zeki is that when he was younger he showed footballing talent (kicking and heading etc), but as he got older he was unable to come to terms with the concentration side of the game, hence why he is often out of position. I think many young players suffer the same fate, but surely we should have smelled a rat on Zeki at the age he was when we bought him ?
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