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Old 11-07-2017, 05:29 PM
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I suggest his life would be in grave danger if he went to Gaza or the West Bank. They are not known for their tolerance of anyone who shows the slightest bit of friendship to Israel let alone people with liberal views. Best leave those kind of contacts to their friends on the left who don't seem to have any such concerns. In any case, when did it become a requirement for musicians who play in controversial countries to have to also play in the countries of their bitterest enemies?
Perhaps they could compromise and play in Jerusalem?
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Old 11-07-2017, 07:20 PM
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I suggest his life would be in grave danger if he went to Gaza or the West Bank. They are not known for their tolerance of anyone who shows the slightest bit of friendship to Israel let alone people with liberal views. Best leave those kind of contacts to their friends on the left who don't seem to have any such concerns. In any case, when did it become a requirement for musicians who play in controversial countries to have to also play in the countries of their bitterest enemies?
sorry but not every Paelstinian is a bloodthirsty terrorist. Palestinians have a range of political views (Some unpalatable, some not just like Israelis.) I have to laugh that my suggestion is now apparently a requirement. My suggestion was A POSSIBLE WAY OF ENGENDERING A BIT MORE UNDERSTANDING ON BOTH SIDES. Its a bit worrying that you would not even entertain the notion.
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sorry but not every Paelstinian is a bloodthirsty terrorist. Palestinians have a range of political views (Some unpalatable, some not just like Israelis.) I have to laugh that my suggestion is now apparently a requirement. My suggestion was A POSSIBLE WAY OF ENGENDERING A BIT MORE UNDERSTANDING ON BOTH SIDES. Its a bit worrying that you would not even entertain the notion.
Of course Palestinians have a range of views. However their government routinely bump off people they accuse of collaborating with Israel according to Amnesty International. Do you really think Radiohead would be allowed to play there?
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Of course Palestinians have a range of views. However their government routinely bump off people they accuse of collaborating with Israel according to Amnesty International. Do you really think Radiohead would be allowed to play there?

Israeli forces unlawfully killed Palestinian civilians, including children, in both Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), and detained thousands of Palestinians from the OPT who opposed Israel’s continuing military occupation, holding hundreds in administrative detention. Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees remained rife and was committed with impunity. The authorities continued to promote illegal settlements in the West Bank, including by attempting to retroactively “legalize” settlements built on private Palestinian land, and severely restricted Palestinians’ freedom of movement, closing some areas after attacks by Palestinians on Israelis. Israeli forces continued to blockade the Gaza Strip, subjecting its population of 1.9 million to collective punishment, and to demolish homes of Palestinians in the West Bank and of Bedouin villagers in Israel’s Negev/Naqab region, forcibly evicting residents. The authorities imprisoned conscientious objectors to military service and detained and deported thousands of asylum-seekers from Africa.

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"Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees remained common and was committed with impunity by Palestinian police and other security forces in the West Bank, and Hamas police and other security forces in Gaza. In both areas, the victims included children.

The Independent Commission for Human Rights, Palestine’s national human rights institution, reported receiving a total of 398 allegations of torture and other ill-treatment of detainees between January and November;163 from the West Bank and 235 from Gaza.

In Gaza, the military wing of Hamas, the‘Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, summarily executed one of their members, Mahmoud Rushdi Ishteiwi, on 7 February after the group said its “Military and Shari’a Judiciaries” had sentenced him for “behavioural and moral excesses”.

Women and girls continued to face discrimination in law and in practice, and were inadequately protected against sexual and other violence, including so-called “honour” killings. Women and girls were reported to have been killed by male relatives in “honour” killings."

So going back to my previous point, if you believe the boycott of Israel is morally justified, why are you not also boycotting Gaza and the West Bank?
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"Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees remained common and was committed with impunity by Palestinian police and other security forces in the West Bank, and Hamas police and other security forces in Gaza. In both areas, the victims included children.

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Women and girls continued to face discrimination in law and in practice, and were inadequately protected against sexual and other violence, including so-called “honour” killings. Women and girls were reported to have been killed by male relatives in “honour” killings."

So going back to my previous point, if you believe the boycott of Israel is morally justified, why are you not also boycotting Gaza and the West Bank?
Why would you assume that I'm not?

Just out of interest, would Radiohead even be allowed to travel to Gaza or the West Bank?

And are you happy with Israels treatment of Palestinians as described in the report?
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Why would you assume that I'm not?

Just out of interest, would Radiohead even be allowed to travel to Gaza or the West Bank?

And are you happy with Israels treatment of Palestinians as described in the report?
Would you support a boycott of Palestine then?
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Would you support a boycott of Palestine then?
What exactly are they getting in Gaza and the West Bank that you think you might like to deprive them of?
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Why would you assume that I'm not?

Just out of interest, would Radiohead even be allowed to travel to Gaza or the West Bank?

And are you happy with Israels treatment of Palestinians as described in the report?
Of course I am not happy about any ill treatment of fellow humans. However, Israel is effectively in a state of perpetual war with its enemies - Hamas doesn't recognise the country's right to exist, fires rockets at civilian areas daily, condones suicide attacks etc. It is not surprising that the borders are so tightly policed - Egypt also blockades its border with Gaza but seems to get relatively little criticism for doing so.
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That wasn't my question.

Ok, how about Egypt?
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That wasn't my question.

Ok, how about Egypt?
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Of course I am not happy about any ill treatment of fellow humans. However, Israel is effectively in a state of perpetual war with its enemies - Hamas doesn't recognise the country's right to exist, fires rockets at civilian areas daily, condones suicide attacks etc. It is not surprising that the borders are so tightly policed - Egypt also blockades its border with Gaza but seems to get relatively little criticism for doing so.
Ok. You think Israel's actions are fully justified. I get it.
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Ok, how about Egypt?
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I think we can conclude that for some reason (and surely it can't be because of the majority religion of the country) only Israel is singled out for trade, cultural and social boycotts and no other country no matter how heinous the crime (genocide, chemical weapons, torture, female genital mutilation etc.) is worthy of such action. Perhaps Radiohead could consider playing in Syria, North East Nigeria, Yemen, South Sudan, Afghanistan - might not get out alive but at least their Twitter feed would be less hostile.
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I think we can conclude that for some reason (and surely it can't be because of the majority religion of the country) only Israel is singled out for trade, cultural and social boycotts and no other country no matter how heinous the crime (genocide, chemical weapons, torture, female genital mutilation etc.) is worthy of such action. Perhaps Radiohead could consider playing in Syria, North East Nigeria, Yemen, South Sudan, Afghanistan - might not get out alive but at least their Twitter feed would be less hostile.
Yep. Think the thread is done.
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