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PS this is essentially another hate thread for our current keeper
That's absurd. I'm of the opinion he's not up to the level, as are a lot of people on here. No one is expressing 'hate' for the guy, the thread is not even directly about him, more the lack of recruitment in his position (we have two keepers, and are one shy regardless of who number one is). I've always thought he seems a decent bloke, just not up to number one for a premiership side. The only criticism i've made here is of his technique, nothing remotely close to 'hate'.

Also we signed a 'new number one' last year, didn't work out fine. But do you really think WH's form last season has merited him jumping up the pecking order to being N1 himself?
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Because this is a key position that requires the most upgrading. It isn't a hate thread, it's a valid point. we have the worst set of keepers in the league imo. It needs improving asap.
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Because this is a key position that requires the most upgrading. It isn't a hate thread, it's a valid point. we have the worst set of keepers in the league imo. It needs improving asap.
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Old 31-07-2017, 12:54 PM
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Regardless of whether WH is good, bad or amazing. We can't let the window close with only 2 first team keepers. There is still a month to go though so no panic yet
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You didn't really address the overriding point which is there is a massive sense of entitlement these days. We ideally need x signings has become oh my god we haven't yet got x new signings.
We are receiving record ever payments from TV, have shed a load of earners off our wage bill, the squad is thin not only in key positions, but also back ups with a lot of the squad players being released. How is it 'entitled' to expect the club to have spent more than 8m quid and a loan, coming into August?

There's nothing alarmist about expecting the club to have got a few deals done in key positions by this stage. Also i don't see any bedwetting on here, just reservations about what seems to be lack of action on recruitment.
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We are receiving record ever payments from TV, have shed a load of earners off our wage bill, the squad is thin not only in key positions, but also back ups with a lot of the squad players being released. How is it 'entitled' to expect the club to have spent more than 8m quid and a loan, coming into August?

There's nothing alarmist about expecting the club to have got a few deals done in key positions by this stage. Also i don't see any bedwetting on here, just reservations about what seems to be lack of action on recruitment.
Because you have received no TV money, you have invested no money in the business. You are entitled to absolutely nothing like the rest of us.

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Because this is a key position that requires the most upgrading. It isn't a hate thread, it's a valid point. we have the worst set of keepers in the league imo. It needs improving asap.
We have umpteen threads saying the same things. If Benteke gets injured we are fuc@ed, ditto Hennessy, ditto one of our three first choice CBs, ditto Ward, ditto a creative midfielder/no 10 we have never had with the exception of Chamack
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We have umpteen threads saying the same things. If Benteke gets injured we are fuc@ed, ditto Hennessy, ditto one of our three first choice CBs, ditto Ward, ditto a creative midfielder/no 10 we have never had with the exception of Chamack
The difference being that in those positions we actually have premier league quality players (besides no 10 unless Loftus Cheek steps up), unlike in goal.
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We are receiving record ever payments from TV, have shed a load of earners off our wage bill, the squad is thin not only in key positions, but also back ups with a lot of the squad players being released. How is it 'entitled' to expect the club to have spent more than 8m quid and a loan, coming into August?

There's nothing alarmist about expecting the club to have got a few deals done in key positions by this stage. Also i don't see any bedwetting on here, just reservations about what seems to be lack of action on recruitment.
For the reasons I've already given so I guess we will have to agree to disagree. All the other PL teams have the tv payments money too so all that does is partially level the playing field and is no reason to overpay when there is likely to be better value later once you've had more time to fully assess the squad.
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We have umpteen threads saying the same things. If Benteke gets injured we are fuc@ed, ditto Hennessy, ditto one of our three first choice CBs, ditto Ward, ditto a creative midfielder/no 10 we have never had with the exception of Chamack
Agree about Benteke. But the issue is we are ****ed with our current goalkeeping predicament. Goalkeeper is as important as another striker
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Old 31-07-2017, 01:24 PM
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Because you have received no TV money, you have invested no money in the business. You are entitled to absolutely nothing like the rest of us.

You can pay to go to the matches either individually or as a season ticket in which case for each match you are entitled to be able to watch that game for the full 90 minutes subject to terms and conditions. Nothing more.
This is a discussion site about a team we all love. If talking about recruitment is out of bounds because 'we don't own the club', then good grief why are we all here?

Also i haven't seen a single post on here that is attacking or slating the club, merely showing concern about lack of movement. Is this really off limits here?
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Because this is a key position that requires the most upgrading. It isn't a hate thread, it's a valid point. we have the worst set of keepers in the league imo. It needs improving asap.
100% this. I think this is how the vast majority of people that actually go to the games feel. Having Hennessey in goal you always feel that an accident is about to happen and often does. He also seems to have very little in the the way of command and organisation of those in front of him.
Fortunately, Parish has been to 99% of games and surely must realise this ?
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This is a discussion site about a team we all love. If talking about recruitment is out of bounds because 'we don't own the club', then good grief why are we all here?

Also i haven't seen a single post on here that is attacking or slating the club, merely showing concern about lack of movement. Is this really off limits here?
You can't hope to get people on board with inaccurate titles like that. It's like me saying 'here we are with 30 days left of the transfer window and no third goalkeeper has signed yet', when it's obvious to anyone with a calendar that there are 31 days left.
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I just can't believe we'll start another season with hennessey in goal, this should be our number 1 priority.

Quick point on wickhams return, have you ever known a player come back and be back to his old form within 18 months of an ACL? It's usually a year out and then 6 months or more to get back up to speed.
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You can't hope to get people on board with inaccurate titles like that. It's like me saying 'here we are with 30 days left of the transfer window and no third goalkeeper has signed yet', when it's obvious to anyone with a calendar that there are 31 days left.
Ok, fair point the title is a bit OTT, still i don't see anything in the actual posts that is anything other than reasoned.
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Ok, fair point the title is a bit OTT, still i don't see anything in the actual posts that is anything other than reasoned.
I'm sure the club are doing everything they can to ensure we start the season competitive. It's always a frustrating time of the season but unless we can sign players that would get into the 1991 side, i'd rather we waited. No point signing a keeper that isn't better that what we have already.
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No point signing a keeper that isn't better that what we have already.
IMHO we have two championship keepers at the club. If we can't recruit a player of premiership level, after 4 seasons in the Prem, and with multi national investment and record TV money in the bank, then there is a major problem with our scouting. We've tried and failed twice with McCarthy and Mandanda, so it's clear the need is still there. I haven't seen anything in WH's game during the last 18 months that indicative he is improving to anything like Premiership level either.

Time will tell, but it is disappointing the club hasn't acted during the close season. Having a new keeper bed in over pre season would be a much better situation than thrown into competitive games after the season's started, clearly.
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100% this. I think this is how the vast majority of people that actually go to the games feel. Having Hennessey in goal you always feel that an accident is about to happen and often does. He also seems to have very little in the the way of command and organisation of those in front of him.
Fortunately, Parish has been to 99% of games and surely must realise this ?
Also, in my opinion, WH does not move his feet quickly enough to get into position
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I very rarely moan when it comes to transfers but I completely agree that still not having a decent #1 is ridiculous.

It's been clear for way over a year now. It should've been our #1 priority going into the summer.

Of course there's still time, but with only 11 days to go until the first day of the season whoever comes in (if they come in) is going to be thrown right in at the deep end. Not ideal with a new formation and new personnel at the back.
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