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Old 25-09-2017, 09:20 AM
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We won't be playing any kids until we are safe. Fire fighting from now one.
Given our striker situation, we might not have a choice!

I expect Sako will start up front until Wilf is fit (who I expect to play there if Benteke is still out) but suspect we will see a young striker on the bench...
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Given our striker situation, we might not have a choice!

I expect Sako will start up front until Wilf is fit (who I expect to play there if Benteke is still out) but suspect we will see a young striker on the bench...
Maybe Woosie can answer this but who is the top scorer in our under 23/youth teams?
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Old 25-09-2017, 10:07 AM
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Lumeka when I have seen him plays wide right quick but not the biggest so can't see him holding ball up battling c half as a main striker ladapo would suit that role more big unit but not sure his good enough for prem Coker also can play central up front but again young and not much experience.fans keep saying Zaha will play up front see wilf play up front agaist qpr and villa few years back he reAly didn't seem to enjoy playing with his back to goal and getting wacked all day plus were lose the benifit of him on wing so not sure that's the answer
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Old 25-09-2017, 10:12 AM
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Dread the day IF WZ was to be our sole striker, not because of his ability as a player but in that role where he would be chopped to pieces, he is just not suitable for that position of leading the line.
Wilf's strength is either on the wings(his best role) as he is Not a genuine goalscorer, alternatively if played deeper behind a Centre Forward where he can use his trickery and skill to break from deep and into the box.
If we were to sell Benteke, then someone like Deeney would be a very good alternative with his better movement and positioning, this in mind i feel TD would be a good foil for Wilf to work with.
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Old 25-09-2017, 10:20 AM
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Dread the day IF WZ was to be our sole striker, not because of his ability as a player but in that role where he would be chopped to pieces, he is just not suitable for that position of leading the line.
Wilf's strength is either on the wings(his best role) as he is Not a genuine goalscorer, alternatively if played deeper behind a Centre Forward where he can use his trickery and skill to break from deep and into the box.
If we were to sell Benteke, then someone like Deeney would be a very good alternative with his better movement and positioning, this in mind i feel TD would be a good foil for Wilf to work with.
I am not sure you are describing 'today's Deeney'. He is a handful in the air but not as mobile as he was. He might be right for the Championship next year (heaven forbid) but I can't see Wilf sticking around if we go down and so likely a mute point.

Re Lumeka, seems far too early for anything more than the odd 10 mins. He plays in either wing and has good pace, finishing and movement but it's a real stretch for him at Premier level.
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Old 25-09-2017, 07:28 PM
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Maybe Woosie can answer this but who is the top scorer in our under 23/youth teams?
Somewhat appropriately I believe it is Levi Lumeka in the U23s.

U18s is Joseph Hungbo.

Neither are strikers, and I certainly wouldn't play Lumeka as a striker (he's capable of playing there but much more effective as a winger)
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Old 25-09-2017, 07:48 PM
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No, the one where people are seriously suggesting playing Dann up front is the clutching at straws thread.

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Old 25-09-2017, 08:03 PM
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Somewhat appropriately I believe it is Levi Lumeka in the U23s.

U18s is Joseph Hungbo.

Neither are strikers, and I certainly wouldn't play Lumeka as a striker (he's capable of playing there but much more effective as a winger)

I saw Joseph at gym this week. Think he's recovering from injury.
Out and out CF option is Francis Baptiste. Only 18 but scores plenty. Clever and makes good runs but has mainly played u18s and don't think he's featured much if at all for u23s yet.
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Hungbo played for u18s today.
And Baptiste scored 2 in win over Charlton!
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On the website, I've just watched Lumeka score a couple of goals (inc an overhead kick) in the U23 win at Bristol City. Ladapo got the other goal.

I haven't seen any report on the game. But just from the highlights of this (and the previous U23 against Leeds) these two certainly seem to know where the goal is.

I know on the Ladapo thread, he is described as being no more than League 1 at best, and I bow to the opinions of those who have watched him more than I have. But Lumeka certainly seems to have something about him
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Old 29-09-2017, 11:51 AM
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On the website, I've just watched Lumeka score a couple of goals (inc an overhead kick) in the U23 win at Bristol City. Ladapo got the other goal.

I haven't seen any report on the game. But just from the highlights of this (and the previous U23 against Leeds) these two certainly seem to know where the goal is.

I know on the Ladapo thread, he is described as being no more than League 1 at best, and I bow to the opinions of those who have watched him more than I have. But Lumeka certainly seems to have something about him
Scoring goals is a habit and if you present a lge 2 player with a good chance he will probably score, even in the premier league. If you want a lge2 player to weave around defenders and then chip the goalkeeper from 30 yards, then he needs to be playing in lge 2. Point is, if we play either player and create good chances for them, then there is a good chance they could score.
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Absolutely AJ.

And as I've said on the press conference thread, with Loftus-Cheek now out, it's the perfect opportunity to give Lumeka more minutes, at least from the bench, in a game where there is nothing to lose
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Scoring goals is a habit and if you present a lge 2 player with a good chance he will probably score, even in the premier league. If you want a lge2 player to weave around defenders and then chip the goalkeeper from 30 yards, then he needs to be playing in lge 2. Point is, if we play either player and create good chances for them, then there is a good chance they could score.
Well said.
Every year we see lower league clubs turning over Prem teams in the Cups, often with unsung strikers doing the deed, but on here, we have dozens of fans lining up to diss our fringe and younger players, as if they are not worthy to grace the almighty Prem.
If Roy thinks one of them can do a job, in the absence of other alternatives, why can't we just keep an open mind and support the team ?
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Scoring goals is a habit and if you present a lge 2 player with a good chance he will probably score, even in the premier league. If you want a lge2 player to weave around defenders and then chip the goalkeeper from 30 yards, then he needs to be playing in lge 2. Point is, if we play either player and create good chances for them, then there is a good chance they could score.
I agree with most of that. The differences surely stem from:

1. Getting into that position more by judgement than by law of averages
2. Opposition allowing far less opportunities for this to occur
3. Quality of goalkeeping allowing less half chances becoming goals.

If you put a striker, of any note into the position to score, you'd expect everyone from EPL to Sunday League to have a decent chance at scoring.

However, I would never expect a Sunday League player to get into that position against a Premier League defence, without anything other than dumb luck or a mistake.

Players have scored for fun in the Championship, but have failed at Prem level, there is a reason for it, and scoring when that chance is created is not why
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What I liked about Lumeka in the very little I saw of him was that he gets into goalscoring positions. Really deserves a run out at a higher level to see where he can take himself now.
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I thought he had something about him but - we are talking about playing against Man U at Old Trafford. And christ knows what the supply is going to be like to whoever plays.

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