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Old 23-09-2017, 07:55 PM
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The idea that it's a top down, politician led movement is something Madrid is trying to sell.
In my experience they are being dragged along kicking and screaming by the people, especially Convergència or whatever they call themselves these days.
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Old 23-09-2017, 08:14 PM
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Any chance they will leave the EU too ??
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Old 23-09-2017, 08:17 PM
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Ok, trying again because we seem to be at cross purposes. Why can't a rupturist movement carry the working class, after a long period of financial crisis and at a time when we know that wages are stagnating, there is huge unemployment and housing prices in the cities are going off the graph very fast? Why could Farage and Trump achieve it while Junqueras and Puigdemont seem unable to?
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Old 23-09-2017, 08:18 PM
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Aren't the Catalans traditionally prone to being slippery Marxists? F*ck em, if so, better off without them.
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Old 23-09-2017, 08:33 PM
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Aren't the Catalans traditionally prone to being slippery Marxists? F*ck em, if so, better off without them.
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As opposed to slippery fascists like you lot you mean?
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Old 23-09-2017, 08:55 PM
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It's a sorry state of affairs how in recent years anyone who isn't on board with modern leftist agenda is labeled a fascist. By definition of the term, how many genuine fascists do you reckon are on here?
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It's a sorry state of affairs how in recent years anyone who isn't on board with modern leftist agenda is labeled a fascist. By definition of the term, how many genuine fascists do you reckon are on here?
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Old 23-09-2017, 09:09 PM
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They're not really prone to Marxism at all. There's a long anarchist tradition but it's not considered to represent more than about 10% (and confusingly, at its height, it was considered to be an "immigrant" tradition).
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Old 23-09-2017, 10:24 PM
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Anarchists, lol. Anyone who calls themselves an anarchist really needs to grow up and clean their room. Scruffy twats.
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If only you were there to tell them.
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They'd be too busy listening to ethnicy jazz on their five grand stereos
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Old 24-09-2017, 01:45 AM
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Jimmy can I suggest you read up a bit on Catalan history, particularly Barcelona 1936.

Brave and selfless people not only defended and organised their city for the common good but thousands of them died fighting facism.
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Old 24-09-2017, 05:49 AM
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Aren't the Catalans traditionally prone to being slippery Marxists? F*ck em, if so, better off without them.
More comfortable with the "traditionally" fascist types in Madrid are you?
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Old 24-09-2017, 06:17 AM
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Tens of thousands of civioians, men, women and children, died in both Barcelona and Madrid resisting the fascists in the 1930s. Madrid was last to fall, and the scene of Durruti's death.
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Which league will Barcelona play in and will they want access to the single market and their own borders ?
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Not an easy one. If the central governmemt allows the Catalans to keep more of their taxes then the rest of Spain gets less. So less money for regions a lot poorer than Catalonia. Then even more Valencianos, Andalucians and Murcians move to Catalonia for work. The Catalans then feel even more threatened by socio-demographics.
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Not an easy one. If the central governmemt allows the Catalans to keep more of their taxes then the rest of Spain gets less. So less money for regions a lot poorer than Catalonia. Then even more Valencianos, Andalucians and Murcians move to Catalonia for work. The Catalans then feel even more threatened by socio-demographics.
Reverse of the Scottish independence financial risks then
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Jimmy can I suggest you read up a bit on Catalan history, particularly Barcelona 1936.

Brave and selfless people not only defended and organised their city for the common good but thousands of them died fighting facism.
Fair play to them. I have no axe to grind with old time Marxists/Commies from the 30s. The theory was still new, and had not been played out and shown to lead exclusively to murderously authoritarian regimes. It's the modern lot who deserve contempt IMHO.
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Reverse of the Scottish independence financial risks then
In one way. Scottish nationalism was not mainly about perceived financial injustices. Looking back it was said that the English minority of c.10% was an important part in the no vote. In Catalonia the % of internal migrants from the south and west of Spain would be a lot higher. I've read there may be 3/4 of a million from Andalucia.
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