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Old 07-11-2017, 09:58 PM
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Nope. Been away all day. Didn't even catch the news tonight. I'll have a look at breakfast.
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Old 07-11-2017, 10:21 PM
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Absolutely ...... they come around about every forty years....
Doesn't seem very democratic. They come around when the people want them and their is sufficent political will to have one.

Which is probably in a few months.

I'm glad you'll support the process. Good on you.
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Old 08-11-2017, 06:22 PM
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I have wanted to ask, and I may have missed something, how this affects you and your family directly?
Has it made you question whether or not you remain in Spain in the long term?
This doesn't really affect my family, other than being used as convenient cover for cuts in services, and corruption cases! The newspapers and TV are entirely dominated by the Catalan situation.
Do you mean questioning if I should stay here because of the manifestations of authoritarianism in central government, or because it just won't be Spain any more, without Catalunya?
There are personal reasons why I'd be very unlikely to move from here, and it even looks as though the UK and EU might impede my freedom to move, in any case. But as far as it goes, I'm relatively optimistic about this situation.
The worst thing that can happen is things continue as they are, and Catalunya either opts for rupture or is forced to remain unwillingly in Spain.... of which I suppose the second option is even worse than the first. Both being untenable, I imagine that there will be an agreed referendum in Catalunya, after persuading the rest of Spain to support it. And if the constitution is being opened up, and if every party and group puts forward their ideas, then I think the fault lines that have been shown up by this crisis in the way Spain is governed will be addressed.
They seem like such a raucous lot and make a massive fuss about trivial things, but the Spanish en masse, when it comes to a big crisis, will very probably negotiate reasonably with each other and reach a conclusion which makes things better. I reckon. The civil war is very present in everyone's memory.
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Big march demanding the release of those imprisoned.
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Old 13-11-2017, 11:06 AM
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Interesting divide. Would a partitioned Catalonian state be viable?

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So basically the yokels want out
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Old 13-11-2017, 11:20 AM
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Old 13-11-2017, 11:20 AM
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So basically the yokels want out
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Spain has kicked their arse ... Catalonia needs to man up and stand up ... No wonder they have never really been independent.
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So basically the yokels want out
The part closest to BCN is the more industrial part, lots of immigrants from Spain. The hot corner at the top is the Val d'Aran, lots of Madrileños with second homes there and locals that don't want to kill the golden goose.
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The part closest to BCN is the more industrial part, lots of immigrants from Spain. The hot corner at the top is the Val d'Aran, lots of Madrileños with second homes there and locals that don't want to kill the golden goose.
So just like the London Brexit effect.. full of immigration ... With the indigenous people living outside the city ..
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So basically the yokels want out
Probably the Catalans want out.

Barcelona is probably like any big city, a cultural melting pot where relatively few have much in the way of historic ties.
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Probably the Catalans want out.

Barcelona is probably like any big city, a cultural melting pot where relatively few have much in the way of historic ties.
There are certainly fewer people with eight Catalan surnames, in Barcelona and Tarragona.
It’s a knotty problem. I’ve always kind of assumed that the regions who want more autonomy from Spain would gradually get, through consensus, to a point where their status was indistinguishable from independence. But that’s asking for a lot of patience and depending on externals barely changing.
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Probably the Catalans want out.

Barcelona is probably like any big city, a cultural melting pot where relatively few have much in the way of historic ties.
Anyone born in Catalunya or who chooses to live there has to be considered a Catalan (IMO).
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Anyone born in Catalunya or who chooses to live there has to be considered a Catalan (IMO).
If an effort to integrate is made I would agree. (not just talking about Spanish immigrants)
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