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Old 05-10-2017, 11:22 AM
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Do the fans really matter or have a say? The TV rights sadly drive this donít they?
No doubt, but grounds with no atmosphere will not make good TV.
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If they stop going to the games, TV interest and the money would drop massively. No one wants to watch a games played in an empty stadium week after week.
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The big clubs will get so much money from a Euro League deal, they would probably just reduce ticket prices if attendances really started to fall.
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In a league containing Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, Bayern Munich, PSG etc., someone has to be last and take a pasting every week. They'd soon come crawling back when they're only winning five games a season in half-empty stadiums.
This is more or less the point I was going to make. Also in Spain they are moving towards more equality believing that the more equal sharing of money in the Prem is a key reason to its popularity over La liga.
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I think the main reason investors (particularly American) invest in Premier League clubs is because they are hoping one day they will be able to negotiate individual tv deals like Barca/Madrid do. Their value and revenue will sky rocket once that happens. This proposal would bring us one step closer to that.

My mate works within the television side of football and reckons we haven't even got close to the ceiling yet and a crash wouldn't happen for at least another decade, if at all. They haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to worldwide tv rights, internet/youtube/FB/Amazon streaming, etc. The next few deals will only get bigger and bigger.

The first 1 million a week player is probably only a couple of years away and the Qatar World Cup will unleash another huge stream of cash from the Middle East.
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Well that depends on which fans you're talking about...

All of these changes are only really possible if there's demand for it, and there is. 'Fans' from across the world, not ones local to the clubs.

So would Scousers prefer to see a Merseyside Derby on a Tuesday night? Sure. But what about the 'Thailand Reds'? The TV audience is far bigger than what you can fit into Anfield, so they will eventually take priority.

It's shit, but I accepted that it's going to happen long ago.
This is all true but will the thailand red accept Liverpool finishing 18th 3 seasons in a row and will they continue to cough up money to see this? I'm not so sure.
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I think the main reason investors (particularly American) invest in Premier League clubs is because they are hoping one day they will be able to negotiate individual tv deals like Barca/Madrid do. Their value and revenue will sky rocket once that happens. This proposal would bring us one step closer to that.

My mate works within the television side of football and reckons we haven't even got close to the ceiling yet and a crash wouldn't happen for at least another decade, if at all. They haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to worldwide tv rights, internet/youtube/FB/Amazon streaming, etc. The next few deals will only get bigger and bigger.

The first 1 million a week player is probably only a couple of years away and the Qatar World Cup will unleash another huge stream of cash from the Middle East.
Does your mate think that the fall in viewing in the UK is insignificant then? Surely the possibility of streaming etc is fraught with piracy problems. I'm not saying you are wrong but it is not completely clear what is going to happen and this may be why the big clubs are now even more concerned. Sky are obviously having problems with falling numbers and subscriptions which is why they have revamped their offerings.

As far as I am concerned they can all feck off but others may well feel differently
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I think the main reason investors (particularly American) invest in Premier League clubs is because they are hoping one day they will be able to negotiate individual tv deals like Barca/Madrid do. Their value and revenue will sky rocket once that happens. This proposal would bring us one step closer to that.

My mate works within the television side of football and reckons we haven't even got close to the ceiling yet and a crash wouldn't happen for at least another decade, if at all. They haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to worldwide tv rights, internet/youtube/FB/Amazon streaming, etc. The next few deals will only get bigger and bigger.

The first 1 million a week player is probably only a couple of years away and the Qatar World Cup will unleash another huge stream of cash from the Middle East.
I remember reading an article in The Times a short while after The Glazers purchased ManU that their long term plan was the hope they could make every single Man U game PpV, I dont know the extent of their and other NFL teams but isnt that the way generally in how NFL is broadcast there? I wonder if they still have these ambitions?
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I think the main reason investors (particularly American) invest in Premier League clubs is because they are hoping one day they will be able to negotiate individual tv deals like Barca/Madrid do. Their value and revenue will sky rocket once that happens. This proposal would bring us one step closer to that.

My mate works within the television side of football and reckons we haven't even got close to the ceiling yet and a crash wouldn't happen for at least another decade, if at all. They haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to worldwide tv rights, internet/youtube/FB/Amazon streaming, etc. The next few deals will only get bigger and bigger.

The first 1 million a week player is probably only a couple of years away and the Qatar World Cup will unleash another huge stream of cash from the Middle East.
Again that only makes sense for six or seven clubs. The rest will still be better off with collective bargaining, whether we have only scratched the surface or not.
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In a league containing Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, Bayern Munich, PSG etc., someone has to be last and take a pasting every week. They'd soon come crawling back when they're only winning five games a season in half-empty stadiums.
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The big clubs will get so much money from a Euro League deal, they would probably just reduce ticket prices if attendances really started to fall.
... like what's happened for the PL, you mean?

OK, so perhaps attendances haven't really started to fall that much in the PL, as there's nearly always a large tourist pool from which to trawl.
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This is all true but will the thailand red accept Liverpool finishing 18th 3 seasons in a row and will they continue to cough up money to see this? I'm not so sure.
A good point. I wonder if a Euro League like this, with absolute guaranteed wealth and no relegation, would consider some kind of American draft system?
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They wonít, not the remaining 14 anyways.

The ďtop sixĒ do have a point, the billion epl viewers worldwide donít tune in to watch Palace V Burnley. That doesnít attract the subscribers.

Although the EPL must be careful here, in theory, one of the EPL success is that maybe four or five teams could realistically win the league at the start of the season, And itís not that unusual to see a ďsmaller clubĒ beat a bigger club, ie Chelsea away last season. Itís An appeal of the brand, in theory again, this happens because the tv cash is distributed equally, allowing the ďsmaller clubsĒ to retain and attract players of a certain quality.

Letís brutally honest here, no one wants to watch the GPL, wether your in the Far East surrounded by wealth or in a shanty town somewhere in Africa. Thatís the potential danger the EPL could find here.

Letís just hope we are involved in this discussions next season.
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I am not convinced it is a bad thing if the big 6 go off to Europe to fawn in their own greed. Tv money falls since no one wants to watch Palace v Burnley etc..?? Necessarily bad??

Football needs to take a reality check. Average U.K. salary £25k pa..... average weekly pay of prem footballer probs above that.

I would rather watch football where the teams that play are more of an equal. Where it is the genuine skill of the players management and spirit shines through and not the size of the bank balance or which bzillionaire is bankrolling their plaything.

Frankly I really turned against football as it is now when after supporting Palace until I was hoarse at Wembley v the glory hunters.... they as a whole didnít really care about winning a tin pot cup. More worrying was not being in champions league trough and needing to bin their manager.

I wouldnít have minded so much not ever seeing my team win a proper cup if it had been to a club that cared. We lost to a brand that was underperforming.

I donít have a season ticket now and frankly donít really miss the premier league. Will go once or twice a season but would rather watch Palace compete with teams that care....

Donít watch prem on tv nor champions league very often. Itís a branded product and not a sporting competition to me. Naive of me I know.
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Interesting what the throbbing six or whatever they call themselves think today?? Probably exactly the same I guess
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The European Super League effectively ****s all the clubs in Europe who may qualify for European competitions, its not just ruining our top flight but every nation's. Too much exposure to the top teams playing each other will lose it's 'excitement' and 'value' (to the neutral - I dont watch anything other than Palace) even Man U vs Liverpool was whipped up by the press this week and that only happens twice a season, could you keep up that hype for all these games over a season, people would start to get desensitised to it, and what would have been Inter Milan vs Liverpool would be viewed the same as Palace vs Burnley would now.

Great spectacle two of the breakaway clubs had at the weekend, an exciting nil nil draw... On talksport it sounded like they were trying to make hype for a game that wasnt there, Jim White having whole shows on who are more passionate fans, Liverpool or Man U.... ******* BORING,

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[QUOTE=richdeniro;13882164 My mate works within the television side of football and reckons we haven't even got close to the ceiling yet and a crash wouldn't happen for at least another decade, if at all. They haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to worldwide tv rights, internet/youtube/FB/Amazon streaming, etc. The next few deals will only get bigger and bigger. QUOTE]

Amazon and Netflix are aparently preparing to bid on the next rights issue. It's going to be crazy sums involved.
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