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View Poll Results: Red or White Poppy ?
White 14 6.57%
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Both 4 1.88%
Who cares both are fine . 28 13.15%
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Perhaps I owe the seller in Holmesdale Road an apology.

But my word, what a classless item. Why on earth would anyone - let alone the RBL - want to conflate remembrance with football support, I do not know. The very notion is hideous.

Do you reckon they do Star Wars ones?
Don't know but they do Dad's Army cufflinks - rather tastelessly made from "genuine WWII or earlier .303 bullets"

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A lot of their other stuff is fine and there is bound to be the odd dud. the Dad's army cufflinks are just rather daft and the material used is pointless for the item. The poppy/prem greed league tie in is wrong though and cheapens the symbol. I will buy a poppy as usual and almost certainly lose it way before 11th November.
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I've always been clear on the fact that a red poppy is in rememberance of all casualties of war, not just 'ours'.

It's entirely up to the individual to decide what they feel about the politics and sense or nonsense of any conflict -:but it's very hard to ignore the effects of the conflict and how it impacts on the families and loved ones of those that die or are seriously injured.

Rememberance Day imo is a way of reflecting on the enormity of what takes place in war, not the glory or revenge involved in it's aftermath -
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I think that’s an interesting point, but has anyone ever actually said anything to you along the lines of where’s your poppy? I do wonder whether the ‘poppy narzism’ occurs anywhere other than in certain high profile places of work.

I buy the traditional paper poppy, but don’t tend to wear it until the actual week of remembrance. For me, that’s the appropriate time, plus many have fallen off my coat if I wear them for long.

However, no one has ever said anything to me about it when I’ve not been wearing one. Including when I worked for the BBC and the govt. In fact, I’ve even been to Remembrance events and lost my poppy on the way, but no one’s ever mentioned it.

My only experience of any ‘expectation’ has been for BBC newsreaders during Remembrance, but that probably applies to all current affairs presenters, not just BBC. But that should be viewed in the context that, whilst on screen, they are the ‘face’ of the corporation and that is its policy. There is a dress code for presenters and this is part of it....just as you wouldn’t see Huw Edwards wear a Micky mouse tie whilst announcing a disaster or Fiona Bruce wear a bikini.

Whether they choose to wear one when they’re not working and on screen would be a matter for them.
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To be fair - James McClean is an utter cnt, poppy nonsense or not. We shouldn't forget that he's a genuine thundercnt.

That said, I do find the mouthiest, wankiest and tub-thumpiest of all poppy nazis -- you know, the dicks that adorn every social media post with a poppy, or fill up their BBS sigs with with Wilfried Owen quotes or jumping gifs of poppies -- are actually the arseholes least likely to donate anything to the RBL.

It's become the sort of virtue signalling from the right they so seem to loathe in others. Completely hi-jacked by cnts like UKIP, the BNP, EDL, FLA, Brexiteers, the Daily Mail. All utter wankers with a manifesto of creating division - the complete antithesis of what the poppy stands for, the words of the WWI poets they bastardise for their soppy fkin Facebook memes, to justify the latest hate crime.

If I were HMG I'd give the RBL receipt machines so there is nowhere to hide for these wankers who use the poppy but don't pony up every year for the poor, genuine suffering sods who's only relief from the trauma of seeing action is putting a bit of plastic and paper together for you all to argue over.
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A lot of their other stuff is fine and there is bound to be the odd dud. the Dad's army cufflinks are just rather daft and the material used is pointless for the item. The poppy/prem greed league tie in is wrong though and cheapens the symbol. I will buy a poppy as usual and almost certainly lose it way before 11th November.
I lose count of the number of poppys i buy each year. As soon as they curl (about an hour) I buy a new one.
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I think that’s an interesting point, but has anyone ever actually said anything to you along the lines of where’s your poppy? I do wonder whether the ‘poppy narzism’ occurs anywhere other than in certain high profile places of work.

I buy the traditional paper poppy, but don’t tend to wear it until the actual week of remembrance. For me, that’s the appropriate time, plus many have fallen off my coat if I wear them for long.

However, no one has ever said anything to me about it when I’ve not been wearing one. Including when I worked for the BBC and the govt. In fact, I’ve even been to Remembrance events and lost my poppy on the way, but no one’s ever mentioned it.

My only experience of any ‘expectation’ has been for BBC newsreaders during Remembrance, but that probably applies to all current affairs presenters, not just BBC. But that should be viewed in the context that, whilst on screen, they are the ‘face’ of the corporation and that is its policy. There is a dress code for presenters and this is part of it....just as you wouldn’t see Huw Edwards wear a Micky mouse tie whilst announcing a disaster or Fiona Bruce wear a bikini.

Whether they choose to wear one when they’re not working and on screen would be a matter for them.
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Just out of curiosity, is there an expected price? I always pay a minimum of 50p, but if I have a pound coin thats what I will put in the box. I probably spend at least £20 a season, but not always take a poppy.
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Just out of curiosity, is there an expected price? I always pay a minimum of 50p, but if I have a pound coin thats what I will put in the box. I probably spend at least £20 a season, but not always take a poppy.
I think that there is a minimum spend for one of the wooden crosses, but not for the poppies, whatever the buyer can afford to give.
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I've always been clear on the fact that a red poppy is in rememberance of all casualties of war, not just 'ours'.

It's entirely up to the individual to decide what they feel about the politics and sense or nonsense of any conflict -:but it's very hard to ignore the effects of the conflict and how it impacts on the families and loved ones of those that die or are seriously injured.

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I understand what you are saying but technically you are not correct. The RBL sets out what the rememberance is for and it is not all soldiers or most civilians - it is for the British forces and anyone fighting alongside them. Women eg only qualify if they are supporting the armed forces or are in them. They say that they advocate a specific type of rememberance.

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Just out of curiosity, is there an expected price? I always pay a minimum of 50p, but if I have a pound coin thats what I will put in the box. I probably spend at least £20 a season, but not always take a poppy.
The Legion will know how much each item costs to make, so they’d hope to receive more than that in order to make a profit. I doubt all the people collecting would be familiar with that threshold, but you could always ask them for guidance?

Generally speaking though, just donate what you can.

By the way, I understand that they will take the old pound coins...so if you’ve still got some down the back of your sofa, this would be a great way to make use of them.
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I understand what you are saying but technically you are not correct. The RBL sets out what the rememberance is for and it is not all soldiers or most civilians - it is for the British forces and anyone fighting alongside them. Women eg only qualify if they are supporting the armed forces or are in them. They say that they advocate a specific type of rememberance.

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And that quote from the website is why people now actively choose not to wear them, history books are more accessible than ever, interaction with friends from all over the world never easier, millions of people died in the conflicts the BL want us to remember from all over the world.

There was nothing more special about a British soldier than any other soldier, British civilians no better than any other civilian who has been murdered in war. People want to remember all those who have died in the conflicts and take away an everlasting desire of peace around the world, if wearing a poppy symbolises I am only engaging in a 'specific type of Remembrance connected to the British Armed Forces' then I am not wearing one.
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There was nothing more special about a British soldier than any other soldier, British civilians no better than any other civilian who has been murdered in war..
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But I do wear a poppy for "British" reasons: in remembrance of those British people, quite a few of whom came from my family, close and distant, who died in the wars.
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Before Rememberance Day it was called Armistice Day to remember the end of WW1. Then it all got changed and we finish up with this annual debate about what is right and wrong.

I have a red one on the sideboard next to a photo of my grandfather who died in WW1.
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I used to wear a white poppy, but I stopped doing this because it clearly caused some to misunderstand my reason for doing so and caused offence. I couldn't explain to everyone I had offended, why I was wearing white as a point of principle.

To be entirely honest, I don't like displaying anything which cries out 'I have contributed'. Additionally, I dislike the ridiculous pressure put on everyone to comply. When this was discussed last year, I mentioned that I had a friend who worked as a journalist at the BBC. She told me that poppies are handed out to all staff (no donation required) to wear in the building - and all presenters are required to wear them on air. Why? Shouldn't it be a private, personal choice?

Jon Snow famously refused to wear a poppy on air, saying viewer demands for him to wear a poppy were a kind of "poppy fascism". He said he would wear a poppy "not on the telly... but on Remembrance Sunday in concert with others". Good for him.

Far more should be done to promote what the British Legion does and raise money from people who want to help - and not because they feel awkward by not complying. Critically, however, the Government should be obliged to provide far more money to those disabled (or bereaved) by war. By the way, I make an To view the link you have to Register or Login whose aims I fully support. I know it's hypocritical to say I won't wear a poppy because I don't want to be seen to be displaying my generosity, only to mention this fact here - but I do so to explain that it's just the symbol that bothers me - not the cause.
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Nor me. But the poppy is nothing to do with that, wearing a poppy is about showing that you care and share in the sacrifices made by your community.
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