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Its staggering to think if we are not interested or not made an enquiry at the very least in a quality young proven player, who's value will only quadruple in time if he proves himself in the premiership which he is more than capable off.
Surely if Brighton have realised the potential of a goldmine then why cant we? we are desperate for another striker if not TWO, so it should be a no brainer especially at the fee mentioned.
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For a 21 year old that’s not bad goal scoring stats pretty sure that is around a 1 in 3 over his career so far and I don’t know how many of those games he came on as sub at Fulham
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2013–2016 Fulham 56 (15)
2016– Celtic 42 (21)

Add in 7 goals in 10 for France u21 since 2016

Yeah it’s a risk £20 million for an untested striker in the premier league but I think you will be paying the same kind of money for a striker from elsewhere in Europe who hasn’t scored in the prem . Based on that I think he is worth the gamble who knows he might be able to play from the wing as well if needed
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Old 04-01-2018, 02:23 PM
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We will be in for him - he's exactly the type of striker we need. Whether we get him or not is another matter of course.
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Imagine an 18 year old finding his feet in the Championship. Imagine him scoring 9 goals in the final 19 games of the season.

Imagine.......



Imagine Connor Wickham. At similar age Dembele was not playing very much and not scoring when he did games at the same level. He scored 15 goals in the Championship aged 19/20. However 7 players scored more than that including several who are either currently or have been in the PL and not scored many goals. Still a gamble of a signing and a big one at £18m.
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Imagine an 18 year old finding his feet in the Championship. Imagine him scoring 9 goals in the final 19 games of the season.

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Imagine Connor Wickham. At similar age Dembele was not playing very much and not scoring when he did games at the same level. He scored 15 goals in the Championship aged 19/20. However 7 players scored more than that including several who are either currently or have been in the PL and not scored many goals. Still a gamble of a signing and a big one at £18m.
Wickham is a good forward. He's never played more than 21 PL games in a given season for poor Sunderland teams and us. He's averaging about a goal every 4 games. That makes him a 10 goal a season forward in the PL which sounds about right. This is similar to Dwight Gayle who is also about a 1 in 4 forward, albeit with more experience, especially in the championship and at the age of 28.

We spent 7 million on Wickham which in todays money would be a steal for a 1 in 4 forward if we could get him on the pitch. Newcastle bought Gayle for £10 million.

Dembele has proven himself in the Championship and Scottish Premiership. So the first £10 million of his £18 million fee is reasonably secure. If he can't quite perform in the PL a championship team will spend millions on him with the hope of getting promoted. It is fairly likely that he can score 1 in 4 1 in 5 like Wickham and Gayle and thus be a decent back up, like Campbell but with a couple more goals. it isn't unreaosnable to expect significant improvement at the age of 21. The risk is losing a few million in value if we sell him but that's surely worth the possibility of him becoming a very good PL forward. The gamble is that if he's our back up forward he may have to start if Benteke gets injured. But with Wickham also possibly coming back it seems to me like a worthwhile gamble. I would be interested to know if he can play off the main striker as Wilf is doing and thus potentially offer an alternative should the unthinkable happen. If he can this becomes a pretty obvious signing for us (should Celtic be willing to sell).
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Dembele has scored goals in the champions league, has he not? I'm not sure what there is not to like about him. Huge potential, big re-sale value if he does well. And he could be first team material right now. Looks a good foil for Benteke too.
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He knows where the goal is which is all you want from a striker regardless of the league he plays in. Got all the other attributes to be successful in the Prem as well. Him, Zaha, Townsend and Benteke in attack would be brilliant
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Great signing regardless of playing in the pub league. We have no chance of signing him mind (and i'd be surprised if the tarquins do either)
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He knows where the goal is which is all you want from a striker regardless of the league he plays in. Got all the other attributes to be successful in the Prem as well. Him, Zaha, Townsend and Benteke in attack would be brilliant
Yep, it’s one thing when a physically mediocre player like Gary Hooper tears up the SPL, but Dembele has pace and strength, both of which are very important attributes in the premier league.
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Yep, it’s one thing when a physically mediocre player like Gary Hooper tears up the SPL, but Dembele has pace and strength, both of which are very important attributes in the premier league.
Spl gets ridiculed but celtic have a top notch scouting network. Some of te players they find are quality. I like their new centre back ajer. Looks a proper player. I know a fair few people up there and they really rate Dembele although they do say he has an attitude.
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Imagine an 18 year old finding his feet in the Championship. Imagine him scoring 9 goals in the final 19 games of the season.

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Imagine Connor Wickham. At similar age Dembele was not playing very much and not scoring when he did games at the same level. He scored 15 goals in the Championship aged 19/20. However 7 players scored more than that including several who are either currently or have been in the PL and not scored many goals. Still a gamble of a signing and a big one at £18m.
Lots of teams try and do moneyball. It simply doesn't work.

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He knows where the goal is which is all you want from a striker regardless of the league he plays in. Got all the other attributes to be successful in the Prem as well. Him, Zaha, Townsend and Benteke in attack would be brilliant
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Dembele has scored goals in the champions league, has he not? I'm not sure what there is not to like about him. Huge potential, big re-sale value if he does well. And he could be first team material right now. Looks a good foil for Benteke too.
I'm with you Mr P., get him in.
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In response to "Billy the Kid".

This lad always had a special quality when at Fulham, even though he was only 18 yrs old would finish off chances like an old seasoned finisher. Hence why he had all the big clubs interested but i was really surprised when he joined Celtic for a bargain fee and top premiership hesitated in taking a chance, as we have seen at Celtic he can do the business but also in the Champions league.
What is there not to like.
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Proven?
Very much has proven his pedigree, just take a look at the stats "LewisUK" produced, if that is not impressive for a 21 yr old to interest us, then we must be brimming with talented strikers at Palace.
This is the kid who has scored some "crackers" for Celtic that i have seen, some may say it is only the Scottish league, but a goalscorer will score wherever as we saw with Kenny Dalglish and Charlie Nicholas when they came over, quality is permanent. Also this lad had the quality to score a beauty against Barca in the Champions league amongst other goals in that league must say something, that makes him good enough for me and surely little old Palace.
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I would love him here.. be a great investment aswel.. but not sure We’ll pay the. £25m + celtic will want
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This is is assumption at it's best Nigel. £72m as a future potential sell on if he proves himself is pure fancy at the moment, but I agree with you. Talking of other young stars Fulham have produced I prefer Ryan Sessignon, but I think he is earmarked for a top six club.
Ok it may be a bit exaggerated my valuation Darzet but who's to say if he continues to improve and scores goals in the premiership if he was to join, as we all know strikers are like gold dust then who is to say it wont be even more.
Who would have thought Zaha could be worth in excess of 50m and he cant score and Man Utd paid 60m for Martial 2 yrs ago and he is not even a regular, its a crazy market out there.
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