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The strange thing is that at time of stashing, we did consider that they might look suspicious. When the banger went off, we thought that security had blown our Stella to bits!

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Usually on tele you hear it but it’s more background noise. The bang today was ******* loud and very clear
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We are not trusted so our allocation to Brighton gets reduced I feel sad for anyone that doesnít get this
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Not saying it’s advisable to bring pyro to public events - but I’m fairly sure several away club’s fans did at Selhurst last season - many of them were from the biggest clubs in the Premier - so did Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U etc have their ticket allocations reduced for any matches after exactly the same offences that are being offered as the reason for Palace’s reduced allocation at Brighton?

It would be interesting to find out if we are the only club being treated in this way. Having spoken to several match stewards at Palace over the last few years - other club’s fans have managed to assault stewards and the catering staff in the Arthur Wait Stand, damage the facilities on the concourse and of course on the night we drew with Liverpool 3-3, they had several hundred ticketless fans forcing their way through the turnstiles and gates of their section.

So a couple of loud bangs and some smoke are far worse crimes are they?
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Undeniably ******* stupid given the current climate of regular terrorist attacks, what's the point? ******* bellends, whoever did it I really hope they are caught, fined and banned.
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Part of our attendance still see football as it was 20-30 years ago. The only thing which changed is the demographic of the support due to the sanitizing of the game as a whole. Now you naturally have a large majority who would to sit and watch a game of football without any disturbances. Therefore, you will have a conflict of opinion.
I watched the "lighthouse derby" between Genoa and Sampdoria yesterday evening, where they were letting of flares and smoke bombs all night. Women and children in the crowd appeared to be having a great time. I think society has gone completely soft .
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These quotes are from the BHA tickets thread, where many myself included were expressing frustration at the reduced allocation. The posts below were made by a respected supporter who helped run the CPFC Supporters Club for many years and now sits as a supporter observer on the Safety Advisory Group, which comprises people like the Council Licensing Dept, Police, Stadium Management and the Sports Grounds Safety Authority. Maybe these meetings might normally be somewhat boring, however, how these bodies view Crystal Palace fans and their behaviour has an impact on ticket allocation decisions and how much we are (or aren't) trusted (and how strictly we are treated) in future.

Think people are not using their brains on this thread. So when we only got 2,000 tickets for the play-off semi-final how many bangers had been let off at games involving Palace leading up to that game?
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Not saying itís advisable to bring pyro to public events - but Iím fairly sure several away clubís fans did at Selhurst last season - many of them were from the biggest clubs in the Premier - so did Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U etc have their ticket allocations reduced for any matches after exactly the same offences that are being offered as the reason for Palaceís reduced allocation at Brighton?

It would be interesting to find out if we are the only club being treated in this way. Having spoken to several match stewards at Palace over the last few years - other clubís fans have managed to assault stewards and the catering staff in the Arthur Wait Stand, damage the facilities on the concourse and of course on the night we drew with Liverpool 3-3, they had several hundred ticketless fans forcing their way through the turnstiles and gates of their section.

So a couple of loud bangs and some smoke are far worse crimes are they?
Liverpool set off some smoke flares (or whatever theyíre called) in the Arthur when they came to us. But not the explosively loud bangs.

The bangs donít help and are quite possibly counter-productive.

If it is the HF, time to stop indulging this behaviour...and if our ticket allocations do become reduced as a consequence of a bad rep theyíre getting us, then the first cut will have to be from their privileged ticket allocation.

If actions have no consequences for those involved, then theyíre unlikely to stop.
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Part of our attendance still see football as it was 20-30 years ago. The only thing which changed is the demographic of the support due to the sanitizing of the game as a whole. Now you naturally have a large majority who would to sit and watch a game of football without any disturbances. Therefore, you will have a conflict of opinion.
I watched the "lighthouse derby" between Genoa and Sampdoria yesterday evening, where they were letting of flares and smoke bombs all night. Women and children in the crowd appeared to be having a great time. I think society has gone completely soft .

You can understand the sensitivity purely from a security point of view, especially after recent terrorist attacks - but as Iím from a mediteranean background where their are firework festivals throughout the year not just one like Nov 5th (which is now apparently less popular than Haloween!) - itís strange to see the difference in reaction to what you get from many people here have to unscheduled pyro to that on the continent - where the majority of people simply donít give a shit when they see smoke and far louder and more frequent pyro than you get here.

I totally get why people get upset, but it really is a cultural difference that you would only understand if came from a country that had street fireworks every other week in the year.
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We’re Beginning to sound like Chelsea fans at the away game last season, the loud bang stopped us playing.
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You can understand the sensitivity purely from a security point of view, especially after recent terrorist attacks - but as I’m from a mediteranean background where their are firework festivals throughout the year not just one like Nov 5th (which is now apparently less popular than Haloween!) - it’s strange to see the difference in reaction to what you get from many people here have to unscheduled pyro to that on the continent - where the majority of people simply don’t give a shit when they see smoke and far louder and more frequent pyro than you get here.

I totally get why people get upset, but it really is a cultural difference that you would only understand if came from a country that had street fireworks every other week in the year.
There was a piece on the BBC recently that demonstrated that in some US states you have to go through more checks to buy a firework than to buy a gun!

I guess that’s because the right to bear sparklers and Roman candles wasn’t in their constitution.
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Not saying itís advisable to bring pyro to public events - but Iím fairly sure several away clubís fans did at Selhurst last season - many of them were from the biggest clubs in the Premier - so did Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U etc have their ticket allocations reduced for any matches after exactly the same offences that are being offered as the reason for Palaceís reduced allocation at Brighton?

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So a couple of loud bangs and some smoke are far worse crimes are they?
Of course they haven't. It's not the reason we (Or Brighton, don't forget) have a reduced allocation. It has nothing to do pyro.
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We are not trusted so our allocation to Brighton gets reduced I feel sad for anyone that doesnít get this
Unfortunately there are some sub morons who would find such an argument well beyond them and really have little interest in football. There were young children at the game but that of course is worth less than getting a laugh from Thier equally cretinous mates. Hopefully cctv will expose these sub humans and everyone else can watch gAmes without the presence of these brain deads
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Do silly shit like this and it's giving the authorities an easy excuse.

Whether our allocation is 2000 or 200 I'd still qualify for a ticket, so from that respect I shouldn't really care.

Just have the opinion that this sort of behaviour doesn't help anyone in the long run.
Hi Dave - hope your boy was okay after the explosion. I was sitting very near you and right in front of the Holmesdale Fanatics.

The thunderclap was set off within the Fanatics group who were standing in a small block at the rear of section 114. Whoever set it off clearly used a couple of rows of their group to act as a shield so that they could not be observed by Police and stewards who were standing just below them in the vomitory.
Not only did it shock many around us but it also seemed to deaden the general atmosphere. After the bombing attacks at public gatherings in Manchester, Paris and Brussels over the last few years this was particularly worrying for many supporters. Also following the earlier moment of remembrance for those far braver than them it was especially insensitive.
Yet again our friends have let the club down. One of them has used the block sale of tickets by the club to their group to hide from view. This follows the incidents at Chelsea when they were allocated seats at the front of the upper tier where they set off flares and several loud explosions. The photo below shows a rucksack full of pyrotechnics that was found in Brompton Cemetery that day. Did someone seriously think they could take this cache into a football game?
Other notorious incidents by them have been at Liverpool, Bolton and at Selhurst, only days after the Paris attacks, when a loud explosion under the Selhurst railway bridge was set off as they were escorted to the ground and clearly frightened many fans just before the game.

Many people falsely believe that we have well behaved fans. Whilst the press may laud the ‘famous atmosphere’, amongst the Police Constabularies we have a more notorious reputation. At the SAG meetings the Met Police will regularly read out a litany of incidents that take place at away games, usually away from the ground. When we were in the Championship we had probably the worst club reputation. This is not the same sort of reputation that club ‘firms’ would gain in the 80’s but more a whole series of anti-social behaviour incidents. This information is shared by the Police intelligence officers and club security officers so it directly affects their match planning and the restrictions imposed on all our fans.
I feel sorry for their organisers who clearly put a lot of effort into planning displays, away trips and even merchandising only to be let down by the inconsiderate actions of a few. How much longer can the club continue to appease this group without confirmation that it has some control over its members? Can you actually organise a group of anarchists?
As I have said before we reap what we sow; actions by a few result in restrictions on the many. Of course the Brighton restrictions are not directly due to these problems but it all adds up.

As a warning to them the other photo shows what can happen when a pyrotechnic went off early in the hand,or at least what was left of it, of an Ultra in Italy.

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I find the bangers annoying only because I have tinnitus and dont want to make it worse, but if I find those that have been sucked into project fear by the media in regard to hearing a bang go off and think it's terrorists is a stretch. Does anyone actually have this response, or are they worried for other hypothetical people that will have that response?
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