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Old 05-11-2017, 04:05 PM
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What are the BBS terms of use?

Over the last few days there have been reports of some fairly obnoxious stuff being posted on the BBS. Fortunately I've managed to miss it all but have seen the fall out polluting some threads.

I must say I'm a little perplexed at this, both in terms of why people would behave so abhorrently (if they did) and why they are allowed to do so.

I've had a look and I cannot find the BBS terms of use. It's been quite a while since I joined and I doubt I read them anyway. I have been down the pub and that is probably why I cannot find them.

So, for reasons of common decency, may I suggest that the Mods post them somewhere where everywhere can read them, please? Or at least a link so we can go to them? This will serve two purposes. Firstly, we would all know where we stand. Secondly we can then hold the moderators to account when it seems like they are playing favourites when they are just following terms of use (or not).

I think my request is quite reasonable for a return to the happier place this used to be.
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Yes, that's it. Thanks.

It's the 'abusive, hateful, harassing, racist, obscene, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy' bit that never seems to mean anything on here anymore.

The racist bit is covered because there's probably a legal angle to it, but the rest of it is ignored and people seem to be fair game. The number of posts somebody has made should be irrelevant and there shouldn't need to be the need to report a post for it to be considered contrary to the terms of use, in my opinion.
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Yes, that's it. Thanks.

It's the 'abusive, hateful, harassing, racist, obscene, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy' bit that never seems to mean anything on here anymore.

The racist bit is covered because there's probably a legal angle to it, but the rest of it is ignored and people seem to be fair game. The number of posts somebody has made should be irrelevant and there shouldn't need to be the need to report a post for it to be considered contrary to the terms of use, in my opinion.
Agreed.

However, you'll find that a majority of posters wouldn't want the BBS to be moderated that way.

I don't think we'd have many posters left

I think it's a worthwhile discussion to be had though.
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So, what is the point of having 'terms of use' that are not only ignored but seen to be ignored?

Let me put it another way. One of the most insidious causes of mental health issues is the misuse of social media deliberate to cause others discomfort. I know that the current weedy laws we have disassociates those providing a platform for such hate from the users who provide the hate. However, the hate is deliberate. Should the BBS knowingly provide discomfort to others and stand by, doing nothing, just because the majority of others would not like it moderated that way?

What's the saying? All that evil needs to succeed is that good people stand by and do nothing, or something like that?

Or, thinking about it, is there a causal link between those who provide funds to run the BBS and the way it is moderated? (I'm not accusing, I'm just asking a question)
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So, what is the point of having 'terms of use' that are not only ignored but seen to be ignored?

Let me put it another way. One of the most insidious causes of mental health issues is the misuse of social media deliberate to cause others discomfort. I know that the current weedy laws we have disassociates those providing a platform for such hate from the users who provide the hate. However, the hate is deliberate. Should the BBS knowingly provide discomfort to others and stand by, doing nothing, just because the majority of others would not like it moderated that way?

What's the saying? All that evil needs to succeed is that good people stand by and do nothing, or something like that?

Or, thinking about it, is there a causal link between those who provide funds to run the BBS and the way it is moderated? (I'm not accusing, I'm just asking a question)
In myself, you are preaching to the converted.

Others may want to input though on how they see things, and it may or may not change your perspective.
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Sorry, but that just seems like a cop out. Who are these people who may want input? The other mods who don't want to upset their clique?

No, if you set rules you should abide by the rules. It works both ways. The rules are there to protect all users of the site. It should not be up to the moderators to protect those who they see fit from the rules.
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Or, thinking about it, is there a causal link between those who provide funds to run the BBS and the way it is moderated? (I'm not accusing, I'm just asking a question)
Are you suggesting that if you donate to the site you will not get banned. ridiculous. But if anyone wants to try and see if it works go ahead. To view the link you have to Register or Login
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The rules are there to protect all users of the site.
Odd, I’ve always assumed the rules were there to protect the BBS from all users of the site.
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I'm asking the question whether this is the case. I think it is a legitimate question to understand how the BBS works. I would accept the answer either way. If it is not the case then I believe you, why wouldn't I believe you?

However, if I now report a post by a user who transpires has been a donor, and they are not reprimanded or banned, I'm going to be less certain that it is a level playing field.

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This is an interesting concept. Please donate, please then break the terms of use, then see if we ban you. That won't prove whether previous donors are given wiggle room when they transgress, it will just take future donors' money and then deny them access.

I have considered donating in the past but I certainly won't all the time I feel that the BBS does not uphold its own terms of use.

Let us assume that a new user comes along, actually reads the terms of reference and accepts them. I think it is reasonable for that new user to expect that every other user is held to the same terms of reference, don't you? I also think it is reasonable that somebody should be able to express a view without being bullied when the terms of reference specifically sets out what is unreasonable.

I think the argument that the number of users would fall if the terms of use were upheld is also a poor argument. Once a few of the main transgressors were penalised in some way, I would suspect that self-moderation would start kicking in.

However, if the moderators are not willing to uphold the terms of reference, then the terms of reference should be changed to allow all the things where the mods now turn a blind eye, all users should be informed of the change, and then once again we would have a level playing field. Those unhappy with the new terms of reference can go elsewhere.
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