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Old 06-11-2017, 08:31 AM
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Oh **** off mate, we've lost to Everton, Huddersfield, Southampton, Newcastle, Burnley and Swansea already. Proper top sides them eh?

And for those still clutching on to the 'we've been unlucky and deserved a point' theory, you don't get anywhere in football for trying hard. You need to win and earn that win.
Lost to Everton? I must have missed that one.
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Old 06-11-2017, 08:37 AM
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We are clearly a better side than derby were back then. Which makes the achievement of being behind their run rate at this stage even more unimpressive.

I think there is a case to be made for us being on one of the worst runs in premier league history. Mainly due to the fact that so much dosh has gone into achieving it.

Did Derby have any £30 million players or any player on over £100k a week (or their financial equivalents at the time)? In fact how many of the current bottom 10 in the Premier League have spent £30 million on a single player?
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Lost to Everton? I must have missed that one.
The defeats are coming so fast, it’s hard to keep up mate
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Old 06-11-2017, 08:52 AM
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Lost to Everton? I must have missed that one.
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Did Derby have any £30 million players or any player on over £100k a week (or their financial equivalents at the time)? In fact how many of the current bottom 10 in the Premier League have spent £30 million on a single player?
some good points there although comparing todays transfer fees and salaries with the TV money and how the Chinese market has affected things is quite difficult, they did spend fairly substantial money on Earnshaw,Claude Davies,Tyrone Mears,Savage,Kenny Miller and a player called Emunual Villa(£2m) who I have no recollection of whatsoever, the sqaud did also have a lot of loanees in it as well, I doubt they were paying huge salaries though, Savage would have probably been one of the biggest earners.
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Old 06-11-2017, 09:54 AM
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This is all pointless subjective conjecture.

Even if we have been “the worst side” in history, so what?? Over 11 games. Yes we’ve made it massively hard for ourselves and their have been some shameful cockups- but we are where we are.

And where are we?

Well, we have 29 games and 87 points still to play for. We have a 28 million quid centre forward about to come back, and our team is looking a lot better in recent weeks, and January is coming.

Lots to play for and no time to lick our wounds. We can do this but let’s get behind the team.

The time for finger pointing will come in May (or earlier) should we drop. Until then let’s man up and help the team try and dig it’s way out of it.
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Old 06-11-2017, 10:08 AM
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This is all pointless subjective conjecture.

Even if we have been “the worst side” in history, so what?? Over 11 games. Yes we’ve made it massively hard for ourselves and their have been some shameful cockups- but we are where we are.

And where are we?

Well, we have 29 games and 87 points still to play for. We have a 28 million quid centre forward about to come back, and our team is looking a lot better in recent weeks, and January is coming.

Lots to play for and no time to lick our wounds. We can do this but let’s get behind the team.


The time for finger pointing will come in May (or earlier) should we drop. Until then let’s man up and help the team try and dig it’s way out of it.
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Old 06-11-2017, 10:09 AM
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well no and that was my point.
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Old 06-11-2017, 10:25 AM
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This is all pointless subjective conjecture.

Even if we have been “the worst side” in history, so what?? Over 11 games. Yes we’ve made it massively hard for ourselves and their have been some shameful cockups- but we are where we are.

And where are we?

Well, we have 29 games and 87 points still to play for. We have a 28 million quid centre forward about to come back, and our team is looking a lot better in recent weeks, and January is coming.

Lots to play for and no time to lick our wounds. We can do this but let’s get behind the team.

The time for finger pointing will come in May (or earlier) should we drop. Until then let’s man up and help the team try and dig it’s way out of it.
Some of us were born to moan and point fingers and Palace have given us plenty of ammo in the last 2 years.
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Old 06-11-2017, 10:42 AM
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Teams are scoring every half chance they create against us and we're missing well-worked sitters. Sure you could argue that means we're not good enough but ultimately with just a bit of extra luck up we could be comfortably mid-table right now.

In fact according to the simulated expected goal league table from Nov 1st we'd be 10th. We'd have scored 10, conceded 14 and we'd be 10th with 12 points.
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Teams are scoring every half chance they create against us and we're missing well-worked sitters. Sure you could argue that means we're not good enough but ultimately with just a bit of extra luck up we could be comfortably mid-table right now.

In fact according to the simulated expected goal league table from Nov 1st we'd be 10th. We'd have scored 10, conceded 14 and we'd be 10th with 12 points.
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The Zaha miss summed up the problem. Our attacking players simply are not clinical enough.

Also despite people going on about how everyone scores every chance against us and how unlucky we are... we are only 3 over the expected goals against stat and we are the worst in the league on that stat. So perhaps us getting relegated wouldn't be quite so remarkable a statistical anomaly.

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Teams are scoring every half chance they create against us and we're missing well-worked sitters. Sure you could argue that means we're not good enough but ultimately with just a bit of extra luck up we could be comfortably mid-table right now.

In fact according to the simulated expected goal league table from Nov 1st we'd be 10th. We'd have scored 10, conceded 14 and we'd be 10th with 12 points.
It isn't about luck - we have brought this upon ourselves. No keeper, no centre forward. Simple.
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The Zaha miss summed up the problem. Our attacking players simply are not clinical enough.

Also despite people going on about how everyone scores every chance against us and how unlucky we are... we are only 3 over the expected goals against stat and we are the worst in the league on that stat. So perhaps us getting relegated wouldn't be quite so remarkable a statistical anomaly.
I saw a league table slightly different to yours with fewer expected goals against but even by your table we are still 9 under the expected goals and 10 under the expected points so yes it really is a statistical anomaly.

Sure we're making mistakes and we are definitely suffering for not having a striker but it's disingenuous to suggest we're the worst team in premier league history. If we had just a bit more luck in front of goal we'd be comfortably mid-table right now.
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I saw a league table slightly different to yours with fewer expected goals against but even by your table we are still 9 under the expected goals and 10 under the expected points so yes it really is a statistical anomaly.

Sure we're making mistakes and we are definitely suffering for not having a striker but it's disingenuous to suggest we're the worst team in premier league history. If we had just a bit more luck in front of goal we'd be comfortably mid-table right now.
I would suggest we are miles off being that. I just suggest we may be on the worst run in premier league history. When you take into account how poorly we compare to expectations.
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Interesting to read that sunderland have won more prem league away games in 2017 than West Brom.

West Brom have Spurs and Chelsea up next and pressure is beginning to mount on Tony....
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West Brom have Spurs and Chelsea up next and pressure is beginning to mount on Tony....
They do seem to be dropping fast
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Interesting to read that sunderland have won more prem league away games in 2017 than West Brom.

West Brom have Spurs and Chelsea up next and pressure is beginning to mount on Tony....
West Brom fans were calling for his head at the weekend.

Trouble is, he would be happy to get out now as it would preserve his never been relegated crap because he would have left before hand.
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West Brom fans were calling for his head at the weekend.

Trouble is, he would be happy to get out now as it would preserve his never been relegated crap because he would have left before hand.
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You're right. Maybe he will walk away if he can't engineer himself the sack? I gather his daughter is on the look out for another property, and a bonus is due!
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