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Old 06-11-2017, 01:58 PM
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The weaker teams have not played hardly any of the top 10 teams and certainly have had far easier fixtures than Palace and Everton who have already played some of their most difficult games.

Palace in their first 11 games have already played 5 of last seasons top 6 sides with only one of those games being at home which we won.

I am quite sure that other smaller teams would have struggled if they had played as many top sides as Palace and Everton have in their opening 11 games of a 38 game season.

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Give it a rest ! Palace have taken ONE point from the other 6 games against what you call the 'smaller' Clubs. That is why we are in such desperate trouble. And for the record, I think the team played well, yesterday and were a bit unlucky to lose. I am confident we will not end up with an embarrassing points total but think we have given ourselves far too much to do to stay up, now. Hope I'm wrong of course.
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Old 06-11-2017, 02:40 PM
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On a slightly brighter note, at least we haven't the worst points total ATM, in Europe any more !!
Malaga have same record as us in Spain
Metz have 1 win and no draws from 12 games in Ligue 1
Cologne have 2 pts from 11 games in Germany
And in Italy, Benevuento P12 L 12 in Serie A !!
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Old 06-11-2017, 02:50 PM
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You don't deserve to get anything if you can't keep a clean sheet and can't score.

All this bollocks about luck is just that. Bollocks
Yep.

No clean sheet all season.

No away league goal since April.

Four goals in total – and two of those were an own goal and a penalty.

We have had some moments of bad luck, sure, but one third of the season in the league table doesn't lie. And certainly not when you're five points adrift of the club in 19th place.
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Old 06-11-2017, 04:26 PM
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Yep.

No clean sheet all season.

No away league goal since April.

Four goals in total – and two of them where an own goal and a penalty.

We have had some moments of bad luck, sure, but one third of the season in the league table doesn't lie. And certainly not when you're five points adrift of the club in 19th place.
When you see it in black and white like this it is quite embarrassing really. But apparently we are still not allowed to feel embarrassed by our situation.
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And someone like West Ham would pay a premium to get him in.

Luckily for us they now have David Moyes .....
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Old 06-11-2017, 05:33 PM
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Its a bit harsh to say we are the worst team in the premiership as we are playing a lot better than our points return shows, also we saw on Sunday against an inform Spurs our luck has deserted us.
Our main problem stems from our lack of a striker coupled with woeful finishing beautifully illustrated by Wilf Zaha, hard to believe his miss of an open goal if you cant put those away then you will get punished.
I really do believe if that had gone in we would have won as Spurs were struggling for any fluency and looked totally drained, but with the quality they still had at their disposal it just required One chance for them to punish Palace.
However, what we have seen since Roy Hodgson took over is a club that is starting to show more method and understanding to their play which will only get better in the weeks ahead, and hopefully with Benteke back will give the attack a focal point again, and if RH can convince the players to play to CB's strengths and provide him with the service that he must have and deserves, do so and we WILL see him score the goals again for sure.
But we cant hide from the fact that we have left ourselves a mountain to climb for safety due to poor performances and shambolic leadership previously, but i feel there is a chink of light of hope appearing and that change for the better might be around the corner.
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Old 06-11-2017, 05:41 PM
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Its a bit harsh to say we are the worst team in the premiership as we are playing a lot better than our points return shows, also we saw on Sunday against an inform Spurs our luck has deserted us.
Our main problem stems from our lack of a striker coupled with woeful finishing beautifully illustrated by Wilf Zaha, hard to believe his miss of an open goal if you cant put those away then you will get punished.
I really do believe if that had gone in we would have won as Spurs were struggling for any fluency and looked totally drained, but with the quality they still had at their disposal it just required One chance for them to punish Palace.
However, what we have seen since Roy Hodgson took over is a club that is starting to show more method and understanding to their play which will only get better in the weeks ahead, and hopefully with Benteke back will give the attack a focal point again, and if RH can convince the players to play to CB's strengths and provide him with the service that he must have and deserves, do so and we WILL see him score the goals again for sure.
But we cant hide from the fact that we have left ourselves a mountain to climb for safety due to poor performances and shambolic leadership previously, but i feel there is a chink of light of hope appearing and that change for the better might be around the corner.
Mostly valid and good points apart from the Benteke bit. Did you see his performances before his injury ? He was woeful and to pin our hopeful success on him returning is whimsical at best.
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This is all pointless subjective conjecture.

Even if we have been “the worst side” in history, so what?? Over 11 games. Yes we’ve made it massively hard for ourselves and their have been some shameful cockups- but we are where we are.

And where are we?

Well, we have 29 games and 87 points still to play for. We have a 28 million quid centre forward about to come back, and our team is looking a lot better in recent weeks, and January is coming.

Lots to play for and no time to lick our wounds. We can do this but let’s get behind the team.

The time for finger pointing will come in May (or earlier) should we drop. Until then let’s man up and help the team try and dig it’s way out of it.
We only 27 games left not 29 by the way.
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Mostly valid and good points apart from the Benteke bit. Did you see his performances before his injury ? He was woeful and to pin our hopeful success on him returning is whimsical at best.
Without question Benteke has been awful this season and i also have been very critical of his performances and there are flaws to his game, but also in fairness to him the system he had to play under FDB and also the service he received would have made even Alan Shearer look like a donkey if he had to play in our system.
Hence why i said it will need RH to realise what is needed in providing CB with the service of decent crosses and balls to feet to fully function, and then we will see the best of CB again like last season when he scored 17 goals, but to do so will require teammates playing to his strengths.
You have to remember he along with Lukaku is the Centre Forward choice for the current Number One rated team in the World (Belgium) surely that makes him good enough for Palace? but if we continue to feed him with scraps to feed off, then we will get what we deserve.
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We'll get more points than Derby and Sunderland (circa 2006) but we'll most likely go down.
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There’s a lot of blind optimism on these boards. We are in deep deep trouble. If you listen to Hodgson’s post-match comments he seems to be much more aware of how bad our plight is than some of the fans are. He also seems to be getting rather angry about the deficiencies in the squad particularly from his comments about having to bring a left winger on to play centre forward. Hopefully, we will turn it around but the signs are not at all good. We haven’t scored a goal in an away league game yet this season.
He had a choice he chose to bring Sako on.
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Don't panic, don't panic.

We are playing well. What we need is a couple of strikers and a gk.
Improving our keepers should be easy. There's better in the championship.
Strikers not so easy and we'll have to pay through the nose and we're not a good sell at the moment. The cost of dithering in the summer will now result in far higher prices.

I'm confident of getting more points than Derby.
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The weaker teams have not played hardly any of the top 10 teams and certainly have had far easier fixtures than Palace and Everton who have already played some of their most difficult games.

Palace in their first 11 games have already played 5 of last seasons top 6 sides with only one of those games being at home which we won.

I am quite sure that other smaller teams would have struggled if they had played as many top sides as Palace and Everton have in their opening 11 games of a 38 game season.

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All this "we're not a bad side" is bollox. We have by far the worst goalkeeper(s) in the division, and absolutely no threat whatsoever in front of goal. Even the likes of Bournemouth have Defoe. West Ham have Carroll who sat on the bench against us but would walk into our first team right now. Our defensive frailty has been exposed in almost every game. We are crap right now and our situation is desperate.

Having said that, we are not doomed. Three or four wins before Christmas with Benteke back do look possible, and that would put us in touching distance of the pack. Strengthen the obvious positions early January (yes Steve and Dougie, I'm talking to you) and not waste points waiting till Jan 31st I think we can do it.
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Mostly valid and good points apart from the Benteke bit. Did you see his performances before his injury ? He was woeful and to pin our hopeful success on him returning is whimsical at best.
To be fair Beneteke was playing in FDB madness of a system where no one knew what was going on. When Frank left he played in a transitioning team with no Wilf on the leg either.

Not giving excuses but i would hope a fully fit Benteke (and Wickham) in the current much more balance set up would put away the chances that we are creating.
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This is all pointless subjective conjecture.

.....And?
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Without question Benteke has been awful this season and i also have been very critical of his performances and there are flaws to his game, but also in fairness to him the system he had to play under FDB and also the service he received would have made even Alan Shearer look like a donkey if he had to play in our system.
Hence why i said it will need RH to realise what is needed in providing CB with the service of decent crosses and balls to feet to fully function, and then we will see the best of CB again like last season when he scored 17 goals, but to do so will require teammates playing to his strengths.
You have to remember he along with Lukaku is the Centre Forward choice for the current Number One rated team in the World (Belgium) surely that makes him good enough for Palace? but if we continue to feed him with scraps to feed off, then we will get what we deserve.


Benteke is currently 4th choice for Belgium. Behind Batushyi and Origi as well as Lukaku.
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Benteke is currently 4th choice for Belgium. Behind Batushyi and Origi as well as Lukaku.
To be fair to him if as you state he is now 4th choice, it is probably due to his form playing for a team and system previously, that would have made even Alan Shearer look a donkey. Hopefully with RH now in charge will realise what is needed to get the best out of that type of player, for CB to have to feed off the scraps he has been fed is disgraceful.
Palace have always been a team that plays a style with a physical Centre Forward, and if we are to see the best of that type then we need to give them the type of service they need.
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Benteke is currently 4th choice for Belgium. Behind Batushyi and Origi as well as Lukaku.
behind Mertens as well
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