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Old 05-11-2017, 10:22 PM
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:23 PM
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:25 PM
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Well to some degree that’s true. Canadians have lots of guns and don’t go around shooting each other at anywhere near the rate Americans do.
That’s an interesting comparison.

A quick google reveals gun ownership rates in Canada is less than a third of America’s.

The right to bear arms is not enshrined in their constitution and there’s less of an attitude that individuals are responsible for protecting themselves (unless you’re in the wilderness). Like the UK, they’re more likely to look to the police etc to keep them safe, generally speaking.

Canadians have to undergo background checks, courses and a month’s cooling off before purchase.
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Old 06-11-2017, 12:51 AM
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It appears like a neighbour of the church may have chased the suspect and killed him with his shotgun.

I assume the guy will be a national hero and a poster child/man for the everyone should have a gun brigade.

Also looks like the suspect taught bible studies at the church, and was married... showed up at the church in battle fatigues. Not sure what more you can say, other than the guy must have flipped his lid.
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If the people want to keep their guns, this is something they will have to live with.

As tragic as it always is, the pro-gun attitudes of some result in comments like:
'If you ban guns, you have to ban vans and knives too'
'2nd amendment right to bear arms. And it won't help anything taking them away there will actually be more murder and more crime.'
'in this country we have the right 2 bear arms. There's no magical law that will remove all guns. Ask Chicago how its working'
'But the shooter was stopped by someone else who had a gun legally.'
'Hey a person with a gun saved more people from being killed.'

Actual comments from a twitter post about it, btw.

More stringent background checks, longer waiting time, limits on ownership, no automatic weapons. There are all sorts of compromises. The options don't have to be just guns or no guns.

Until something changes there will continue to be mass shootings and the typical useless 'thoughts and prayers' response.
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Old 06-11-2017, 06:27 AM
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Now is not the time to discuss gun control.
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Old 06-11-2017, 12:46 PM
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People are barely interested in discussing this any more.

We all know America will never change.

Imagine being one of the sensible Americans who want to change the gun laws. Utterly depressing.
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People are barely interested in discussing this any more.

We all know America will never change.

Imagine being one of the sensible Americans who want to change the gun laws. Utterly depressing.
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Old 06-11-2017, 03:09 PM
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'But the shooter was stopped by someone else who had a gun legally.'
'Hey a person with a gun saved more people from being killed.'

Actual comments from a twitter post about it, btw.
Those were my comments after the Vegas shooting.
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Hard for me to say. I live in California, which has a very different gun mentality to the more southern states.

I was in Jackson, Mississippi last week, and found it very disconcerting to see pick-up trucks with gun racks (with guns) in the back window.

I'm sure they have a different opinion on the subject than us tree huggers on the West Coast.
Not sure if it's completely a question of different attitudes in different states.

Whilst there are plenty of nutters with gun fixations all over the country, much the country's gun culture is borne from the fact that much of the country is very rural. Hence you might find just as much gun usage in places like Montana and Wyoming as you'd find in New Orleans or Atlanta.

I'm certainly met with a variety of attitudes towards gun ownership in my reasonably urbanised part of NC. Most if the people I know who have guns sincerely hope they never have to use them save for hunting pursuits and such.

That said, someone shot a loose dog in my neighbourhood the other day...
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It's so lucky there was a man with a gun to shoot a man with a gun who killed 26 people as otherwise more people would have died
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It appears like a neighbour of the church may have chased the suspect and killed him with his shotgun.

I assume the guy will be a national hero and a poster child/man for the everyone should have a gun brigade.

Also looks like the suspect taught bible studies at the church, and was married... showed up at the church in battle fatigues. Not sure what more you can say, other than the guy must have flipped his lid.
BBC news earlier tonight said his mother in law attends the church but was not there. May be no connection. No President has been able to do anything and Trump certainly won't want to
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Don't blame the guns, blame the mental illness says the President who signed a law allowing the mentally ill to have guns
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Not sure if it's completely a question of different attitudes in different states.
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'in this country we have the right 2 bear arms. There's no magical law that will remove all guns. Ask Chicago how its working'
This is significant. In fact, one of the problems for places that want tighter checks on weapons availability is that they are hamstrung by other states. As this article shows, the vast majority of guns used in Chicago/Illinois crime originate in nearby states (especially Indiana) that has much looser laws. Similarly in California, which has among the tightest controls, weapons pour in from Nevada and Arizona.
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