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That's Cambodia....not KSA.
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"I spent some time working with ANB" therefore you're an expert on KSA.
I don't believe I claimed to be an expert : but certainly, having been there many, many times I think I know more than quite a few Brits.
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Back on track.... The Crown Prince appears to be trying to cement his future position by shutting down dissent and opposition. The "purge", the sudden fatal accident to his predecessor, the extreme action against Qatar, and more. I've just spent a week in the gulf and after viewing a slightly more focussed media coverage on this than ours (albeit with its own local agenda no doubt), my personal view is that the Crown Prince might be a bit of a loose cannon
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MBS has very strong support from the moderate middle classes in KSA. He is seen as being absolutely committed to wrestling control of the country away from the clerics and improving life for modern Saudis. It’s a fantastically complex task - balancing the need for modernisation with satisfying the religious demands of being the custodian of the two Holy Mosques’ (and therefore Islam).
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Yemen facing a massive famine due to Saudi blockades. Is everyone just hoing to watch this happen?
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Old 09-11-2017, 09:59 AM
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Yemen facing a massive famine due to Saudi blockades. Is everyone just hoing to watch this happen?
There will of course be much 'soft diplomacy' going on to encourage restraint by the Saudis but there will be no appetite for causing the Saudis any embarrassment.
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There will of course be much 'soft diplomacy' going on to encourage restraint by the Saudis
Well if there is, it won't be coming from us or the yanks given that we are both assisting the Saudis in the conflict so I have to take issue with your "of course".
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Well if there is, it won't be coming from us or the yanks given that we are both assisting the Saudis in the conflict so I have to take issue with your "of course".
Our limited 'assistance' is part of those efforts to encourage restraint. There is no value in condemning the Saudi's and finding ourselves outside of their sphere of influencers. It certainly wouldn't change their behaviour towards Yemen.
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Our limited 'assistance' is part of those efforts to encourage restraint. There is no value in condemning the Saudi's and finding ourselves outside of their sphere of influencers. It certainly wouldn't change their behaviour towards Yemen.
I don't think that the more than 90 (so far) US air strikes in Yemen this year argues that their interest is in restraint. Current rate of US raids is one every two days, an escalation since the beginning of the year. Meanwhile, in addition to military advice to the Saudis and logistical and intelligence support to the yanks, we have been ramping up the amount of ordnance we are happy to sell them:

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UK sales of bombs and missiles to Saudi Arabia increase by almost 500% since start of Yemen war
Exclusive: Campaigners say ‘mountain of evidence’ shows British-made weapons being used to commit war crimes.
The number of British-made bombs and missiles sold to Saudi Arabia since the start of its bloody campaign in Yemen has risen by almost 500 per cent, The Independent can reveal.

More than £4.6bn of arms were sold in the first two years of bombings, with the Government grant increasing numbers of export licences despite mounting evidence of war crimes and massacres at hospitals, schools and weddings.

The United Nations says air strikes by the Saudi-led coalition are the main cause of almost 5,295 civilian deaths and 8,873 casualties confirmed so far, warning that the real figure is “likely to be far higher”.



Hard to see where "urging restraint" fits in.
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I don't think that the more than 90 (so far) US air strikes in Yemen this year argues that their interest is in restraint. Current rate of US raids is one every two days, an escalation since the beginning of the year. Meanwhile, in addition to military advice to the Saudis and logistical and intelligence support to the yanks, we have been ramping up the amount of ordnance we are happy to sell them:

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UK sales of bombs and missiles to Saudi Arabia increase by almost 500% since start of Yemen war
Exclusive: Campaigners say ‘mountain of evidence’ shows British-made weapons being used to commit war crimes.
The number of British-made bombs and missiles sold to Saudi Arabia since the start of its bloody campaign in Yemen has risen by almost 500 per cent, The Independent can reveal.

More than £4.6bn of arms were sold in the first two years of bombings, with the Government grant increasing numbers of export licences despite mounting evidence of war crimes and massacres at hospitals, schools and weddings.

The United Nations says air strikes by the Saudi-led coalition are the main cause of almost 5,295 civilian deaths and 8,873 casualties confirmed so far, warning that the real figure is “likely to be far higher”.



Hard to see where "urging restraint" fits in.
You're confusing two separate but closely aligned issues. We (US/UK) have every right to target AQ affiliated extremists in Yemen. According to the Attorney General it is ungoverned and presents a direct threat to the UK. Hence the air strikes targeting terrorist plotting to attack the West. The Saudi's obviously have a wider scope to their own activities.
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You're confusing two separate but closely aligned issues. We (US/UK) have every right to target AQ affiliated extremists in Yemen. According to the Attorney General it is ungoverned and presents a direct threat to the UK. Hence the air strikes targeting terrorist plotting to attack the West. The Saudi's obviously have a wider scope to their own activities.
If by AQ you mean Al Quaeda sympathisers then we're bombing the wrong side. The Houthis, who we and the US are helping the Saudis to bomb, are predominantly Shia muslims - anathema to AQ. The Saudis, on the other hand....
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