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Palace prefer as do many other teams playing at home to play with their backs to the home support in the first halves of home matches so they can attack towards the Holmesdale (home end) in the second half.
They succeed more often by winning the toss, choosing ends and thus conceding kick off.
Whereas the opposition may win the toss and prefer to choose to kick off rather than choose ends.

Pitch watering has clearly defined regulations:-
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matchday organisational meeting. The pitch must be watered evenly and not only
in certain areas. As a general rule, pitch watering must finish 60 minutes before
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We seem to score far more goals at the Whitehorse end the last year or so.
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I suppose it all depends which goal you consider to be the most important, the first goal or the last goal. It just seem these days , particularly when you are playing relegation rivals, that first goal seems to be the most important and this is what we are consistently told by managers. Its seems to be a pretty bad pattern we are in where when we are favourites for a game like Huddersfield, Swansea, West Ham, Southampton this season invariably a groan has gone around the ground as a result of an early away goal at the Holmesdale end. Similar to Swansea and Burnley earlier in the year. It would be nice for a change for us to get that early goal.
a goal at any time would be welcome.
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:47 PM
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We must have a 100% toss rate cos i think we have kicked towards the Holmesdale 2nd half in every game this season.
Actually in 15 games played at home in the Premiership in 2017 we have 100% record of kicking towards the Holmesdale 2nd half. Which would suggest that it is not a question of who wins the coin toss, just a matter of which side of the field the teams line up.
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When the opposition team wins the toss they just say. ‘Stay as we are’ or ‘we’ll kick off first’ most the time as makes little difference. Occasionally they ask to change ends, but most just don’t bother
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Most teams, including at park level, will kick with any perceived advantage in the second half. This may be due to fans behind the goal attacked , wind or slope.
I always preferred to take any advantage in the first half in case conditions changed or in the hope you could gain a lead and hold on during the second half.

Jedinak often seemed to deliberately chose to defend the main ends such as the Kop in the first half if he won the toss.
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Punch once decided to play towards the Holmesdale in one game, think he mentioned it in an interview at the end of last season, can't remember which game it was.
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Love kicking towards the Holmesdale in the 2nd half!

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Old 08-11-2017, 09:35 PM
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Punch once decided to play towards the Holmesdale in one game, think he mentioned it in an interview at the end of last season, can't remember which game it was.
Surprised he remembers which end he's playing towards. He must get quite dizzy with all that spinning around....

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When the opposition team wins the toss they just say. ‘Stay as we are’ or ‘we’ll kick off first’ most the time as makes little difference. Occasionally they ask to change ends, but most just don’t bother
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Palace prefer as do many other teams playing at home to play with their backs to the home support in the first halves of home matches so they can attack towards the Holmesdale (home end) in the second half.
They succeed more often by winning the toss, choosing ends and thus conceding kick off.
Whereas the opposition may win the toss and prefer to choose to kick off rather than choose ends.

Pitch watering has clearly defined regulations:-
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The referee is entitled to request changes to the schedule.
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Most clubs kick towards their most hostile end in the second half, Liverpool to the Kop, Newcastle the Gollowgate End, Man U the stretford End.

When we were battling for the point against West Ham, in those vital final minutes the players were playing towards their biggest support. Did that make a difference?

When away teams win the toss they usually change ends to disrupt the home teams usual pattern.
Would we have already been 2-0 at down Half-time?

I suggested this same change in the match day thread during that game. So often we lose home games in the first half, I think changing it up would certainly be worth a try.
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Would we have already been 2-0 at down Half-time?

I suggested this same change in the match day thread during that game. So often we lose home games in the first half, I think changing it up would certainly be worth a try.
I am not saying we should not do it, there is merit to the argument about are you better off getting the first goal or the last etc?

One factor that is unlikely to change is that the second half is usually longer than the first half, sometimes by as much as 10%.

Also do you need to draw off the crowd early in the game when you are fresh or later when you are starting to struggle.

Agree we need to stop going behind but wonder if changing ends would be the solution to that.
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Maybe I'm clutching here, but I always thought it was more to do with the away team wanting their fans behind them for the first half?

Which end did we attack in the first half before the away fans were moved? Seem to remember it being the other way round.

Also any Palace game I go to the Palace keeper will always come to our end of the stadium pre kick off. And only if there are external factors such as lighting or wind at play will there be a change
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It's just wrong going the wrong way in the second half... goes back to standing on the Holmesdale.

I guess my eyes have never been that great, so always good to see Palace attack the Holmesdale in the 2nd half.

I guess v Burnley in '79 we went the other way, and that worked out good.
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Maybe I'm clutching here, but I always thought it was more to do with the away team wanting their fans behind them for the first half?

Which end did we attack in the first half before the away fans were moved? Seem to remember it being the other way round.

Also any Palace game I go to the Palace keeper will always come to our end of the stadium pre kick off. And only if there are external factors such as lighting or wind at play will there be a change
That is because a lot of clubs put the away fans at the opposite end of the ground to their main support. It is one reason why an away team might leave the ends as they are because they too want to kick towards their own fans second half!
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Games tend to 'open up' more in the second half as players tire, then attacking the most passionate supporters end must have an added advantage. I say leave this as they are.

We're normally 2-0 down by then .....
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Should kick towards the Main Stand IMO
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Maybe I'm clutching here, but I always thought it was more to do with the away team wanting their fans behind them for the first half?

Which end did we attack in the first half before the away fans were moved? Seem to remember it being the other way round.

Also any Palace game I go to the Palace keeper will always come to our end of the stadium pre kick off. And only if there are external factors such as lighting or wind at play will there be a change
It's been that why since I had my first season ticket in 98/99. Sass Curcic scored a great goal against Sheffield United to win 1-0 scored at the Holmesdale end 2nd half as one example.
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