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Old 06-12-2017, 03:57 PM
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thats the worst thing to do, the Aussies love Lords
I know I was taking the piss. Edgbaston's probably our nearest equivalent to the hostility of Aussie grounds - and it didn't get an Ashes test in 2013.
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Quicks is massive. Look what happened when we could get Tremlett and Finn fit and their action sorted at the same time as each other.

ECB should identify quicks at a young age and pack them off on central contracts to the Southern Hemisphere to play down there exclusively until good enough for test match cricket. Dont ruin them by keeping them in the county championship.
I was saying this earlier (and I am by no means a cricket expert).
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thats the worst thing to do, the Aussies love Lords
Erm, yes. I think that was Art's point. But he is a bit snidey, so who knows.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:02 PM
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A lot of you have asked where Plunkett is?
Your next really quick bowler is Wood, who is recovering fitness.
Best use of any fast bowler is to open the bowling.
Would Broad accept bowling as first change? It's hard to get a senior player to take a step back.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:12 PM
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Root was going that way and then we gave him the captaincy.
I think you will find he wanted it.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:20 PM
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A lot of you have asked where Plunkett is?
Your next really quick bowler is Wood, who is recovering fitness.
Best use of any fast bowler is to open the bowling.
Would Broad accept bowling as first change? It's hard to get a senior player to take a step back.
Wood should be in if he is 75% fit.

Plunkett barely played first class cricket last year, and he's not really that good.

The loss of Stokes and the absence of Finn and Wood is unhelpful.

I'd almost rather see Curran given a go if I wasn't worried as a Surrey fan that he could be destroyed by the experience.

The batters need to take the vast majority of the blame, at last Malan has shown some sort of backbone, but Vince has never been of international cricket standard, let alone a test cricketer. Biased, but move Bairstow up and play Foakes at Keeper, because I don't want to see Ballance ever again.
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Old 06-12-2017, 05:17 PM
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I think you will find he wanted it.
If he wanted it, that alone should have raised alarm bells about his decision making.
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Wood took 2 wickets and hit a half century for the Lions today. In Perth.
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What odds on us winning the last ever Ashes test at the WACA when we are 0-2?

Last time the Fremantle Doctor comes out to play as well.
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1. Cook
2. Stoneman
3. Malan
4. Root
5. Bairstow
6. Vince
7. Ali
8. Woakes
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11. Anderson

Vince deserves one more chance after his 80 odd at the Gabba, would prefer him further down the order with more license to play shots. This frees up space for Bairstow who is inexplicably wasted down the order, he's our 3rd best batsman.

Harsh on Overton to drop him but we desperately need someone with a bit of spark in the bowling lineup and Wood can bat.
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Old 06-12-2017, 06:21 PM
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Wood took 2 wickets and hit a half century for the Lions today. In Perth.
Mmm interesting.

VERY INTERESTING.
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VERY INTERESTING.
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Wood took 2 wickets and hit a half century for the Lions today. In Perth.
It sounds like he could play in the tour match at the weekend and hopefully a few others can get a go to see if they could get included for the next match.
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1. Cook
2. Stoneman
3. Malan
4. Root
5. Bairstow
6. Vince
7. Ali
8. Woakes
9. Wood
10. Broad
11. Anderson

Vince deserves one more chance after his 80 odd at the Gabba, would prefer him further down the order with more license to play shots. This frees up space for Bairstow who is inexplicably wasted down the order, he's our 3rd best batsman.

Harsh on Overton to drop him but we desperately need someone with a bit of spark in the bowling lineup and Wood can bat.
Numbers 1 to 11 should value their wicket highly - note the criticism that Starc has received for his batting in this series and calls for Cummins to be promoted.

To have not found a right-handed partner for Cook is laughable.

5 bowlers is one to many. If Moeen isn’t considered a frontline spinner, then we need one in the team. We are paying the price for not bowling him earlier (and longer) in favourable match situations. You don’t get test match experience anywhere else as Lyon and Swann’s careers illustrate.

We rely too heavily on Anderson and Broad, but they seem to dictate terms to the captain. Too often they bowl long spells in tandem which mean the pressure is relieved when the first and second changes are made in close succession. Note the success TRJ had coming on early (did he open the bowling? Can’t remember) when the pressure was still on from both ends.

The truth is that we wasted the opportunity in the summer to develop a competitive SQUAD and attitude. There are too many safety nets in the team (batting deep, 5 bowlers plus Root) which means the players aren’t accountable for their individual performances.

Oh, and scoring 50 every innings may be good for Root’s average but centuries win matches. He’s not the biggest problem in the batting, but he might be the biggest indicator of the problem.

Ps. Didn’t Overton top score in our first innings? And he was the only bowler to extract pace and bounce in theirs. Not criticising you - it’s just more evidence of a lack of planning from the selectors.
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He broke a finger, then when he came back to county cricket he completely out of form. [though not that much worse than Vince!!!!]
There is no indication that he was considering playing for another country, nor that he was even eligible to do so.

Even if he was, having already represented England, hed have to serve a 4 year residential qualification to play for someone else.
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:31 PM
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Wood is not good enough either.

Very bland.
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A decision about the structure and style of this team should have been made at the start of the English summer, with limited changes made to accomodate injuries, conditions, fitness and opportunities to give developing players experience - test cricket is different to all other forms and you see that in how players with longevity (in settled teams) continue to improve.

For me, it would have looked something like:

Cook
R/H opener - Hales perhaps, make him spend the flight watching videos of Boycott.
Stoneman
Root
Bairstow
Stokes - I guess promoting Ali was the only option.
W/K - haven’t seen enough of Foakes to know, surely someone should be working on Buttler’s keeping
Ali - once the decision was made to bat him at 6, we needed a viable spin alternative. Can’t fathom the handling of Rashid who has experience and respect in Australia.
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

With other pace bowlers in the squad for variety, form, fitness and conditions.
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I'm getting up at 5am - we will either be pretty much all done by then or in with a real shout. Not sure I could take getting up particularly early to see Root dolly one in the first few overs.
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Wood is not good enough either.

Very bland.
Hes rapid

Bit just as likely to go for 100 - 1 as he is to have a good spell

A gamble. But we aint got a great deal to lose right now
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