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View Poll Results: Which is the worst miss of the season?
Benteke/Zaha vs BHA 11 4.95%
Benteke vs Liverpool 33 14.86%
PVA vs Chelsea 12 5.41%
Dann vs Burnley 92 41.44%
Zaha vs Spurs 63 28.38%
Benteke vs Everton 11 4.95%
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Zaha missed vs. Spurs because the keeper shoved him off balance.
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Zaha missed vs. Spurs because the keeper shoved him off balance.
Don't remember there being any contact with the keeper? He missed (IMO) because he was off balance, but that was because he was moving at pace and tried to quickly change direction. If he'd actually had a bit more composure and realised the situation, he could have probably steadied himself before the shot, but that would obviously have allowed a bit more time for the defence to cover.
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Zaha missed vs. Spurs because the keeper shoved him off balance.


Yep, too much to ask for players to be able to run and sidefoot a ball at the same time to within a four yard margin of error either side.
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Well that's alright, then. When they're only paid a combined £200k a week, that's all you can ask for, really, isn't it?
WTF are you on? A shot on target is not a miss!
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WTF are you on? A shot on target is not a miss!
It's a missed chance, whether it's on target or not. In my book, a 'miss' includes sitters like that where you give the keeper a chance to save that he should never have had.

If I'm a yard out near the left post, and hit it at the keeper who's standing on the other post with his eyes shut, is it still ok because I hit the target?
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Anyone not voting for Dann can’t have seen it. Lost 1-0 and that was last minute too.

Last nights were two good saves. Benteke against Liverpool was bad but not as easy as Danns miss.
This. Thoroughly the worst, along with Shawcross of course.
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Yes it’s why our XG stat looks so good. We should be scoring a lot more goals.

It’s made worse by so many of the goals we’ve concede being totally preventable too.
it would look good if we put away the chances as well

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If we scored all these goals, which to be fair, were all sitters, how many more points would we have?
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If we scored all these goals, which to be fair, were all sitters, how many more points would we have?
That is difficult isn't it because teh games are very different.

We cannot say Wilf scores at Spurs and we get a point, because actually that would have put us 1-0 up. Should it therefore be 3 points, or would that have sparked Spurs in to life who would come back and draw, or win?

Liverpool would have put us 1-0 up too (and saved FdB?)
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If we scored all these goals, which to be fair, were all sitters, how many more points would we have?
That is difficult isn't it because teh games are very different.

We cannot say Wilf scores at Spurs and we get a point, because actually that would have put us 1-0 up. Should it therefore be 3 points, or would that have sparked Spurs in to life who would come back and draw, or win?

Liverpool would have put us 1-0 up too (and saved FdB?)

Dann Vs Burnley would have earned us a point though (and saved FdB?)

Benteke against Everton would have earned us 2 pts.

If we had taken these chances i think it is fair to say we would probably be in the mid-table pack, somewhere around 12th.
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That is difficult isn't it because teh games are very different.

We cannot say Wilf scores at Spurs and we get a point, because actually that would have put us 1-0 up. Should it therefore be 3 points, or would that have sparked Spurs in to life who would come back and draw, or win?

Liverpool would have put us 1-0 up too (and saved FdB?)

Dann Vs Burnley would have earned us a point though (and saved FdB?)

Benteke against Everton would have earned us 2 pts.

If we had taken these chances i think it is fair to say we would probably be in the mid-table pack, somewhere around 12th.
Wasn't there a table somewhere based on xG which had us about 8th, and Brighton 17th?
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Shows us having 11 points less than we should according to the xG stats. Burnley would be the opposite and have 11 more than they should.
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Shows us having 11 points less than we should according to the xG stats. Burnley would be the opposite and have 11 more than they should.
That’s interesting.

If all sides had scored their big chances we’d be 7th.

Backs up some of the stats we’ve heard recently. We are making progress though and some of the ‘misses’ have been real luck rather than good stops eh.. harts second of the double save when it hit his arm and he didn’t even see it, Rubens block last week. More of the same rather than radical change is our best hope
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This is all pie in the sky.

Missing three good chances in a match doesn't mean you could've scored 3 goals.

As soon a goal is scored in a football match the game is restarted from the centre spot with the players in their kick off positions. The movement of the men and ball for the remainder of the match is therefore altered from that goal onward.

For a game that doesn't end 0-0, You cannot perform a seamless 90 minute retrospective of chances.
It's a nigh-on physical impossibility to link or add subsequent chances together for a could-have-been scoreline. The ball and players just won't be in those exact positions.
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No horrendous misses yesterday, but more decent chances not scored. It’s almost unbelievable how many chances we’ve had and not scored away.
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The catalogue of astonishing misses will likely be our abiding memory of this season. Can't remember another one like it. Add CB's penalty to the list of contenders. Unluckiest team in football? Or just lacking composure and the ice-cold killer instinct? Clearly the latter for me.
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Yes - our miss of the season competition would certainly be more competitive than our goal of the season.

Very little of it is luck. Lack of composure, lack of quality and lack of competition for places.
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My concern is that it’s the wasteful non-clinical teams who gown down.

Look how clinical Bournemouth, West Ham, Everton, Burnley, etc were against us - taking their limited chances whilst we snatched at our more plentiful supply.
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