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View Poll Results: Are the hf good or bad for the club?
Good 278 51.29%
Bad 150 27.68%
Don’t know 114 21.03%
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Simple question. Taking into account everything the hf have done for the club are they good or bad for the club?
Its a bit of a biased poll, as you have waited for a moment that hasn't shown the group in a good light, and when a lot of people are pissed off at supposed fractions of the group to run the poll.
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Old 30-11-2017, 10:28 AM
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I don't think anyone can dispute that HF has been a breath of fresh air for CPFC for the atmosphere they have created which has been appreciated and admired by many footballing people around the Country.
But as they grew in popularity and numbers, unfortunately it also attracted the unwanted hooligan element of the game to join with the opportunity to carry out their thuggish behaviour under the disguise of being a so called "football fan" of CPFC, but is this something new? i witnessed this type of thuggery in the 70's and 80's on a regular basis when following Palace home and away, and it was an unacceptable situation then as it should be now.
However in fairness to HF, this was a game that was bound to throw up this thuggish behaviour for the few that planned for this opportunity to vent their anger to the so called "enemy" by the few mindless morons.
But i have to also add apart from this unacceptable incident, the HF have been superbly behaved and done the club proud since coming on the scene, apart from the very few idiots on the odd occasion letting this sincere group down.
Lets hope lessons have been learnt and we all move on, as what really matters is the reputation of the club if they really care for CPFC.
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Wankers with a bloody annoying drum and sleep inducing funeral dirges.

Anyone remember Chelsea away?
'Let's show those Chelsea mugs what real support is all about' and then arrange to meet at Blackfriars on the other side of London waiting for their police escort.

Man Utd in the cup final. All previous Wembley games had been The Globe at Baker Street. Suddenly they announced they were going to Covent Garden. I wonder why.

******* idiots the lot of them......and lefties.

And why do they still get preferential treatment for away tickets?
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Old 30-11-2017, 10:48 AM
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The answer is good and bad. They've done a lot to generate an atmosphere but i think the culture of it needs to self police. They've become a bit big for their boots, releasing statements, trying to decide who is and isn't welcome at games, acting as if they are above the other fans.

It's all gone to their heads a bit. I remember one game I was at, they all bundled out of the homesdale, faces covered trying to seemingly goad the police.

Not only were the police not even really paying them any attention before this but they started surging through fellow Palace fans causing a gridlock that was getting a bit uncomfortable and if it had of kicked off, lots of people just trying to get home would have been caught in the cross fire as it were.

The Police at football are usually looking for trouble, make no mistake (heard a policemen outside Selhurst once say he prefered doing games with a bit of edge to them or words to that effect)
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Another thread failing to distinguish between the HF and the people the hangers-on.
The problem is it's perception. If the people who did this were hangers on then the HF need to be up front about it. Just leaving it will mean the assumption will always be the HF were to blame.
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can we have another thread about HF - we haven't got enough yet
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Old 30-11-2017, 11:08 AM
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I think you will find most of the people forcing there way in are youngsters wearing black jackets and black scarves balaclavas to hide their face. Im sure they will not be active members of the HF. Anyone can wear that and look HF but they simply are not. This is a witch hunt , i stand right next to the HF and have seen lots of footage. From the footage i have seen i recognise HF members in the ground but with regard to forcing there way in it is clearly youngsters and the faces i have seen i do not recognise as HF members. The fireworks i cant comment as no one has shown evidence of a particular person throwing any. We did have a hooligan element at the ground but blaming the HF because of youngsters wearing black is not great evidence. Wait until people are identified and if they are part of the group then fair enough but this is just a hysterical witch hunt.
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Old 30-11-2017, 11:10 AM
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Of course they have been good for the club, the club know that, the players know that and most fans know it. Things happened at Brighton on Tuesday that weren’t good but things have happened at Brighton every time we have ever played down there that if you want to sit on the moral high ground you can criticise way before the HF arrived.

The nature of what the HF are as a group means that they don’t need to produce a statement to appease other people. I like the fact that they don’t try and be anything that they are not, they stand for what they stand for. From my seat in the upper tier I say keep up the good work, don’t let anyone change you from what you are in the main but learn something from Tuesday as a united fanbase is clearly what they want as well.

I have bigger issues with Palace flags at the ground with ‘Football Lads Alliance’ on it to be honest.
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And why do they still get preferential treatment for away tickets?

I saw a screenshot of an HF Facebook post on Hol to sort out block booking tickets for Brighton. It said it didn't matter if they only had 1000 points. Is that true? HF didn't need as many loyalty points as regular supporters?
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I have bigger issues with Palace flags at the ground with ‘Football Lads Alliance’ on it to be honest.
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Should be a yes but no but maybe option. Things need to change.
I'm taking my wife to west Brom for her first game in about 12 years and she is now wary after I have told her how they behaved tuesday.
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They aren't the devil but equally they aren't the sole reason Palace have an atmosphere home and away.

I just wish they could begin to be more considerate to those around them at away games. Like many young boys out on the lash they don't have much awareness for how their behaviour affects others and they have hardly any ability it seems to see it from fellow palace fans perspective. So presumably they will have to be restricted at some point. Special sections stopped and the police will follow them around and give them hassle.

If it weren't for the bangers and sitting wherever they want regardless as to whose seat it is. I would just see them as any other group of young football supporting tools. We've probably all been a dick at football, some grow out of it, others don't.
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Man Utd in the cup final. All previous Wembley games had been The Globe at Baker Street. Suddenly they announced they were going to Covent Garden. I wonder why.
Well - The reason being is the globe was pretty much shut-off for Football fans that day with both United & Palace wanting to use the pub so I'm afraid you will have to find another issue to take up with the HF.
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Why's that then fella? Do you know who they are and what they stand for?
Just my opinion from people I know who have gone on the march. All with anti-Muslim, right wing history.

Then throw in Tommy Robinson getting involved in it and then regardless of what the group says its objectives are etc, I don’t have any time for it.

Maybe time will prove I am wrong on them.

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I have no knowledge about this at all. I'm just trying be a bit more pragmatic, rather than blame them for every offence by someone dressed in black.

I imagine as all of the group were given a designated block of seats by the club, that they would have spoken to their group about how many tickets to take. If that's the case, there'd be no need for any of them to jump barriers.
They jumped the barriers because stewards were trying to stop over 200 people with tickets getting in. Those who "rushed" through probably did have tickets.
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The HF are Ultras they let of flares and fireworks, dress in black have lots of banners and don't give a f uck. That's the nature of the beast, they are not fecking angels LOL

All you lot making excuses, the bollocks with the hangers-on to deflect is laughable its what they are but do they bring something else of course they do and it's infectious.

Yes, we had atmosphere before but it was not the whole ground just small segments and come on sometimes it was like a library

Should they have block seating, yeah why not but its a bit naughty when displacing fellow supporters but go back to they do not give a f uck

Good with the bad by the looks of things, but you do wonder how long before the FA, Police, Club(okay maybe not) start getting involved.
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Bad, just a group of wannabe thugs who intimate and bully other Palace fans who don’t agree with them. They also create divisions in the support. I witnessed a Fanatics on Palace fight after a game in Holmesdale when they walked upon a group of Palace fans singing “Dougie Freedman- what have you done”.

Even if they do create a “good atmosphere”, which is subjective, if you look at the home form it actually spurs the opposition team on especially when they abuse players at corners etc trying to be intimidating. Just look at the amount of players celebrating in front of them.
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Should be a yes but no but maybe option. Things need to change.
I'm taking my wife to west Brom for her first game in about 12 years and she is now wary after I have told her how they behaved tuesday.
Brighton away is a different story to any other away game for fans on both sides but from your question WBA should be fine there will be a lively section prob near back near middle or devide most other parts will be ok your probaly have to stand but as away end will prob not be sold out you 2 could find a place nearer front if you don't like your seats .
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I have no knowledge about this at all. I'm just trying be a bit more pragmatic, rather than blame them for every offence by someone dressed in black.

I imagine as all of the group were given a designated block of seats by the club, that they would have spoken to their group about how many tickets to take. If that's the case, there'd be no need for any of them to jump barriers.
So you’re assuming there are ‘hangers-on’, even though plenty of Palace fans have seen the pyros set off from within that group and many of us have experienced how they behave if they decide they’re not happy with the block they’re supposed to be and want your seat instead?

Whilst I agree they’re not responsible for everything that occurs, that’s no excuse to be in denial of what some are doing.

It’s my belief that if Palace don’t get more of a grip on this from within, then the authorities will do it for us and then we’ll all be disadvantaged.
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