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Old 07-12-2017, 11:02 PM
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Chief Inspector Simon Nelson said: "I have been involved in football policing at all levels and have been a match commander for Albion matches for 12 years, but I have never come across such concerted attempts to cause disorder and engage in violent behaviour......."

".....Outside the stadium, we dealt with a number of public order incidents, particularly amongst a contingent of away supporters who were being escorted from the railway station. We are aware that a significant number of people attempted to enter the ground with pyrotechnics, knives and knuckledusters, which were found following efforts to gain access through fire exit doors in the south stand."
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Surely the basis of any police work is evidence. It is the lack of plausible evidence which the DPP use to stop many police cases before they get to court and are then thrown out.

If the police had actually found knuckledusters and / or knives you know they would have tagged them up as evidence and almost run to the Chief Inspectors office, so he could have had the opportunity to have a press conference and wave the evidence about with a grave look of concern. The very fact they did not do this made the allegations look dodgy immediately. In fact their 'evidence' was akin to '...a bloke in a pub, whispered to me...'.

This would have been obvious to any 1st year copper. However, no apology or admission of a mistake was forthcoming. No recognition of Hilsborough and the danger of police 'mis-statements'.

The match was on 28th November. Later when a beautifully crafted piece of legalese arrived under a Freedom Of Information initiative forced questions to be asked. Big credit to Rob & FYP. Nearly 10 days later, Sussex police 'suddenly' decide they were wrong.

'slander. n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit.'

I really do hope that Amanda Jacks takes the Sussex Police to task.

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Old 07-12-2017, 11:07 PM
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Old 07-12-2017, 11:09 PM
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As a Sussex resident, I will be logging a complaint about this with the county Police Commissioner. CI Nelson needs reigning in

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Old 07-12-2017, 11:28 PM
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It's a disgrace and it is quite some poetic justice that now they have to police the fixture all over again, but now they've shot themselves in the foot and potentially endangered things more by breaking down all trust with their police force. Palace fans are not going to have much respect for their tactics after such a clumsy smear job. What I think is almost as bad is how the mainstream media repeated the claims about weapons with no scrutiny - just reported as fact. It's terrible, they can't get away with this kind of thing.

Either they provoke Palace fans more in January to try and vindicate the original claim of "back to the dark ages" or they respect supporters and don't amp things up so much that they actually cause situations that wouldnt have occurred otherwise, let fans go to watch a game of football and don't carry out a self fulfilling prophecy.
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It's a disgrace and it is quite some poetic justice that now they have to police the fixture all over again, but now they've shot themselves in the foot and potentially endangered things more by breaking down all trust with their police force. Palace fans are not going to have much respect for their tactics after such a clumsy smear job. What I think is almost as bad is how the mainstream media repeated the claims about weapons with no scrutiny - just reported as fact. It's terrible, they can't get away with this kind of thing.

Either they provoke Palace fans more in January to try and vindicate the original claim of "back to the dark ages" or they respect supporters and don't amp things up so much that they actually cause situations that wouldnt have occurred otherwise, let fans go to watch a game of football and don't carry out a self fulfilling prophecy.

Do you have proof that they have a weapon to shoot themselves in the foot with ?
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Thirty years after Hillsborough and all the subsequent fall out - defaming football supporters still comes as second nature to them. Truly shameful and in all the circumstances should be a dismissal offence.

Won't be, of course - which is why they will still be alienated from a significant section of society.

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Statement says details were logged by Police so there should be evidence in notebooks of the original informants.

As said on the original thread the Policing on the night was not a conspiracy but a cock-up which has now been followed by a cover-up.

The actions of the boys in blue (and high-vis yellow jackets) must not however distract from the behaviour of the boys in black.
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Its shocking but its not a surprise at all - Hillsborough they never learn from it and they still perpetrate the same stereotyping right across the board.

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You have a reputation the steward said. Yes thanks very much dirty lying Police.
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Is it true the ticketless fans rushed the turnstiles?
To get out perhaps....realising they had made an error of judgement...
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Is it true the ticketless fans rushed the turnstiles?
Unlikely but possible

When the police brought the palacefans that they had collected in Brighton and marched them to the ground they brought them up to the away end. The turnstiles and gates were shut when they arrived, the stewards then opened one gate as they thought there was a crush the game kicked off and fans rushed in some with Tickets in their hands the game had kicked off.

You assume most of not all had Tickets or they would not have been there, the away end had many empty seats, though not as many as the home ends on 70minutes.

Palace claim to have food quality cctv of those who rushed in I assume that they can marry these to members and have been checking who had Tickets I donít know but I would assume this is what they have done
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Haven't the old bill got previous for this? Was it against Millwall a load of weapons were "found" and a plod was set on fire?
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Is it true the ticketless fans rushed the turnstiles?
it was merely enthusiasm to get into the ground and have a sing song. Not there fault stewards left gate ajar probably thought it was to save the crush behind. Really no evidence those in the ground did not have tickets
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