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Obviously players can move around, but I still feel geography plays some part in team diversity. In the 2011 census Lancashire was 90% white British, while London was 44.9%. This could affect the backgrounds of both home-grown players and foreign signings--BAME players, when given the option, may be less likely to want to move to a team or location that is less diverse. A white, Eastern European player might not care as much.

That doesn't explain why Burnley have so few BAME players compared to another team like Blackburn (assuming the name is irrelevent).

As CP-RJW said it could also be stereotyping based on playing style, with teams who place more importance on flair or pace likely to be more diverse.
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Old 30-12-2017, 09:52 AM
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That's not even a stereotype. That is just a stupid idea in your imagination.
Maybe less race and more nationality then? It's been a criticism of football in England that from the grassroots level physical attributes are stressed over technique.
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I do not actually believe Dyche is racist.
I am certainly not saying Dyche is and not accused anyone of racism. Just posting an interesting question. Putting it out there to see why they have no one from a non-white background play for them, 4 mins apart, and why only one black player with the squad. Would have thought pretty unique amongst all 4 professional divisions.

I notice, you aside, some seem to get very vociferous and strangely defensive with regard to race.
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Blimey,i don't have a clue weather or not Dyche is a racist(never noticed anything to suggest he was), and not sure what relevance him being ginger is? difficult to take the article serious when its talking about prejudice then sees fit to mention his hair colour!
Have to say that I hadn't even noticed there were not any black players in the team its not really of much relevance is it?
20 odd years ago I used to see it mentioned how many black players we had all the time as it was higher than most but times have moved on and I don't think it matters at all to the vast majority of people now and doubt most even notice such things.
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I notice, you aside, some seem to get very vociferous and strangely defensive with regard to race.
Pointing out your rabid cultural-marxist extremism is not defensive. It's merely logic & common sense countering your dogma.
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Have to say that I hadn't even noticed there were not any black players in the team its not really of much relevance is it?
nor did I.

But Old Joe Paxton has just handed me a new, temporary, "second team" to cheer on.
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You might be onto something there. Should test their resolve with a bid for Nahki Wells.
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You might be onto something there. Should test their resolve with a bid for Nahki Wells.
That's actually a good idea. He is actually a half decent goal poacher who wouldn't harm our squad with our striker situation. And him leaving Burnley would make Old Joe Paxton dislike Burnley even more.
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That's actually a good idea. He is actually a half decent goal poacher who wouldn't harm our squad with our striker situation. And him leaving Burnley would make Old Joe Paxton dislike Burnley even more.
I like him (Nahki Wells, not Old Joe Paxton) Surprised Dyche doesn't play him more. Sort of striker that could play off Benteke.
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Yes thanks for that, I did see. Nicely patronising with a hint of anger. Really no idea why.

I think am indicating that it’s not very representative. And wondered why.

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Tad senstive if I may say so, no need to take everything quite so personally.

My reaction was actually to the French article that quoted "100%", which clearly isn't true of the squad. Although as KidofWonder stated, the two BME players are very much fringe squad members. So maybe the article has a point after all.
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Maybe less race and more nationality then? It's been a criticism of football in England that from the grassroots level physical attributes are stressed over technique.
Yes, perhaps nationality as there’s plenty of technically gifted white players in mainland Europe but I genuinely can’t think of a single white English one. Closest we have is Kane or maybe Wilshere but they’re hardly a Luka Modric or an Antoine Griezmann. Or, to compare him to BAME players, a Wilfried Zaha.

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That's not even a stereotype. That is just a stupid idea in your imagination.
Get back to GCC you troll.

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Yes, perhaps nationality as there’s plenty of technically gifted white players in mainland Europe but I genuinely can’t think of a single white English one. Closest we have is Kane or maybe Wilshere but they’re hardly a Luka Modric or an Antoine Griezmann. Or, to compare him to BAME players, a Wilfried Zaha.
Do you know the difference between skill & technique? I don't think you do.

Zaha has skill in abundance, but his technique he isn't that great at all. Same goes for Bolasie.

Tadic, for example, is much less skilful than those two in terms of trickery but is much better technically.

If Zaha's technique was as high as his level of skill, he'd be as good as Giggs was, and still be at Man Utd.

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Do you know the difference between skill & technique? I don't think you do.

Zaha has skill in abundance, but his technique he isn't that great at all. Same goes for Bolasie.

Tadic, for example, is much less skilful than those two in terms of trickery but is much better technically.

If Zaha's technique was as high as his level of skill, he'd be as good as Giggs was, and still be at Man Utd.
What? Technique is the ability to do something, skill is an extension of this and the ability to actually carry it out on the pitch. Regardless of this, Wilf has more skill than any white English player and even by your definition of technique there aren’t many better in that aspect either, Wilshere, Kane and Lallana might be it.
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What? Technique is the ability to do something, skill is an extension of this and the ability to actually carry it out on the pitch. Regardless of this, Wilf has more skill than any white English player and even by your definition of technique there aren’t many better in that aspect either, Wilshere, Kane and Lallana might be it.
Ok.

Thank you for confirming to me that you have no idea about the difference between just having excellent dribbling skills, trickery, pace & power, and technical ability that involves vision, passing, heading, shooting, finishing abilities, as well as tactical knowledge.

If Zaha is so great technically, WTF was that header at goal on Thursday night? Please explain to us.

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Do you know the difference between skill & technique? I don't think you do.

Zaha has skill in abundance, but his technique he isn't that great at all. Same goes for Bolasie.

Tadic, for example, is much less skilful than those two in terms of trickery but is much better technically.

If Zaha's technique was as high as his level of skill, he'd be as good as Giggs was, and still be at Man Utd.
Semantics, but I agree. The stereotype would be that white British players lack in skill / flair.
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If Zaha is so great technically, WTF was that header at goal on Thursday night? Please explain to us.
It came off his shoulder.
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Reading back through only two pages there appear to be rabid neo-fascists on here (some usual suspects).

I am a ‘cultural-Marxist’. Whatever nonsense made-up, far right term that actually means. Sounds intellectual. But suspect something a little fascist Has picked up from Breitbart or even worse. When do we get ‘race traitor’ accusations on this site...?

Some saying they will follow an all white team like Burnley - because i dislike Burnley supposedly. Not sure where I have said that.

You wouldn’t think we are from south London, have long had a multicultural team and a multicultural following - Zaha, Wright, Hilaire preeminent amongst many players - and I use the term multicultural accurately as certain types on here dislike it. Plus it’s against the grain currently as the govt and climate seem to saying that is not the society we live in. It is. Unless some of the aforementioned have any plans or ideas they would like to share...?

Strange how so many people get so angry, so biting at the leash after such an innocuous post about the racial make up of a team. Wonder why. Doesn’t need to be that way.
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I always used to have a little wonder about Everton. There was a time when they just didn’t seem to ever have a black player.

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