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Old 09-01-2018, 11:05 AM
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So last night there was one game and they had a premier league referee looking at VAR so what happens in future if say all Premier and Championship matches have VAR what referees will be available to be VAR as that could need an additional 22 referees so would the 1st and 2nd divisions then suffer with poorer refs
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So last night there was one game and they had a premier league referee looking at VAR so what happens in future if say all Premier and Championship matches have VAR what referees will be available to be VAR as that could need an additional 22 referees so would the 1st and 2nd divisions then suffer with poorer refs
Bring some refs out of retirement who cant meet the fitness requirements .
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Old 09-01-2018, 11:29 AM
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Bring some refs out of retirement who cant meet the fitness requirements .
Iím not sure thatís a great idea. Most of them seem to be employed by TV channels and spend their time opining how much Wilf dives.
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I hears a referee on the radio this morning, saying he had been part of the development team. He knows he had given some dodgy decisions in his career, but the VAR is there to help eliminate these. He used the phrase something like "minimum intervention, maximum benefit". It's only for use in biggie decisions
There will still be grey areas. But if a player is offside by two yards then and the goal stands that will make it positive if VAR can intervene.

Can you just imagine if it did (although totally inconclusive that it did) brush his arm last night and the VAR never bothered with the angle? The trial would have been dead before it started. They would have been pleading with Glenn to deny it, and deny it - just to save face.

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Th way I saw it, Murray is pulling his arm away? So even if it did hit his arm it wouldn't be deliberate.
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Th way I saw it, Murray is pulling his arm away? So even if it did hit his arm it wouldn't be deliberate.
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It’s shite so far. Ref re looked at a penalty decision. Victor mo doesn’t touch the arsenal player and it’s a clear dive yet the VAR does nothing! Should be a yellow. Also there was an incident were Chambers pushed over A Chelsea defender, clear foul on the Chelsea player, the VAR did nothing then aswell!
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Itís shite so far. Ref re looked at a penalty decision. Victor mo doesnít touch the arsenal player and itís a clear dive yet the VAR does nothing! Should be a yellow. Also there was an incident were Chambers pushed over A Chelsea defender, clear foul on the Chelsea player, the VAR did nothing then aswell!
Itís there for certain instances and to make sure thereís no glaring ref errors
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Itís shite so far. Ref re looked at a penalty decision. Victor mo doesnít touch the arsenal player and itís a clear dive yet the VAR does nothing! Should be a yellow. Also there was an incident were Chambers pushed over A Chelsea defender, clear foul on the Chelsea player, the VAR did nothing then aswell!
Donít think the Arsenal player clearly dived. The incident with Chambers - was it in the box? Because if not the VAR canít be used
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Donít think the Arsenal player clearly dived. The incident with Chambers - was it in the box? Because if not the VAR canít be used
For me looked like victor mo didnít touch the arsenal player, he still went down and appealed for a pen, so simulation maybe? The push was in the box.

Maybe Iím missing the crux of the system, Iím all for assisting refs with technology. Also Iím no ref so maybe Iím wrong.
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Th way I saw it, Murray is pulling his arm away? So even if it did hit his arm it wouldn't be deliberate.
handball doesn't have to be deliberate; nor does it require "hands not in a natural position". It's a myth, as is "contact" being the criteria for a penalty being awarded.
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Great pic. Wasn't that the late pen that Johnny Williams dived for?
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For me looked like victor mo didnít touch the arsenal player, he still went down and appealed for a pen, so simulation maybe? The push was in the box.

Maybe Iím missing the crux of the system, Iím all for assisting refs with technology. Also Iím no ref so maybe Iím wrong.
VAR can't give bookings at all I believe so can't give them for simulation.
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Great pic. Wasn't that the late pen that Johnny Williams dived for?
For some reason I have very little memory of this game, which is strange, given how few times we manage to beat Bristol City!

I think it was from Feb 2013, don't think there was a penalty - but checked and saw Stephen Dobbie scored as well as Murray - I had clean forgoten about Dobbie at all, which makes it quite scary!

Edit - My memory is fading badly - you are right, it was a Murray penalty after Williams came on as a late sub - no clue if he dived! Match was in 2011, not long after the famous win at the Weeds.
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Brilliant comments from Neil Warnock this morning In response to Marcus Alonso saying he’s not sure whether VAR’s a good thing.

Neil said, ‘Of course he’s not, he plays for one of the big clubs.’
He then went on to say how the big clubs will suffer with this new technology because they more often than not got the benefit of the doubt their way.
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Brilliant comments from Neil Warnock this morning In response to Marcus Alonso saying heís not sure whether VARís a good thing.

Neil said, ĎOf course heís not, he plays for one of the big clubs.í
He then went on to say how the big clubs will suffer with this new technology because they more often than not got the benefit of the doubt their way.
The big clubs will now simply have an agreement with the VAR 'ref' that they get final say on any decisions........
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handball doesn't have to be deliberate; nor does it require "hands not in a natural position". It's a myth, as is "contact" being the criteria for a penalty being awarded.
Law 12 states that a direct free kick will be awarded when a player...

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Conceptually it's a good idea. Practically the powers that be seem to be making a balls of it.
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Itís shite so far. Ref re looked at a penalty decision. Victor mo doesnít touch the arsenal player and itís a clear dive yet the VAR does nothing! Should be a yellow. Also there was an incident were Chambers pushed over A Chelsea defender, clear foul on the Chelsea player, the VAR did nothing then aswell!
Moses did catch the arsenal player. No dive, no booking, no penalty. Right call
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