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Old 04-04-2018, 11:29 AM
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Pensioner kills burglar

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Old 04-04-2018, 11:31 AM
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The law on self-defence is proportionate response and reasonable force, I think.

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Old 04-04-2018, 11:33 AM
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Arrested on suspicion of murder! Only in this country! Letís hope he doesnít get charged.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:33 AM
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The law on self-defence is proportionate response and reasonable force, I think.

Letís see.
"Let's see" is good advice. But I think if the burglars were in his home this chap is unlikely to be prosecuted.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:34 AM
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Report says one stab wound.....
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:37 AM
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"Let's see" is good advice. But I think if the burglars were in his home this chap is unlikely to be prosecuted.
Depends. Tony Martin got done because he killed his burglar as he retreated.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:40 AM
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Think it was the burglars weapon, so he should be fine regardless.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:44 AM
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Think it was the burglars weapon, so he should be fine regardless.
It says the suspect was armed with a screw driver. In this case the suspect is the home owner.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:45 AM
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Report says one stab wound.....
Weapon crime is out of control. Was it a flat head or a Phillips?
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:48 AM
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Arrested on suspicion of murder! Only in this country! Letís hope he doesnít get charged.
Only in this country you're arrested on suspicion of murder if you've admitted to murdering someone?
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:49 AM
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It says the suspect was armed with a screw driver. In this case the suspect is the home owner.
It says one suspect, implying one of the two burglars.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:50 AM
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I thought the law changed and we can kill burglars now?
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:52 AM
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This proportionate response ,does it mean you have to wait and see what weapons they have or how handy they are before hitting them with something hard?
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:56 AM
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Let's hope the pensioner gets released so he can hunt down the second burglar like Liam Neeson in Taken.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:58 AM
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Arrested on suspicion of murder! Only in this country! Letís hope he doesnít get charged.
Rightly so, self defence is a plea entered in court. Its not something for the police to determine. The way it works is that you are formally charged and enter a plea, that yes you did kill / wound / harm x, but you did so in self defence or the defence of others. The defence and prosecution then put forward their cases as to whether it was within the remit of self defence.

Its a very dodgy area to get into to allow the Police or CPS to determine whether or not an action was self defence - as its potentially biased due to prejudice and political pressure - That a jury trial isn't. Its been known for the CPS not to pursue cases where clear self defence is apparent.

Just because it looks like a burglary, doesn't mean its self defence.

Its like a diminished responsibility plea, in that you are effectively 'stating that you did the act, but that you were justified in your actions.
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Sounds like the old fella's already shitty day got a little bit worse.
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Sounds like the old fella's already shitty day got a little bit worse.
Why? I bet he's quite pleased with himself and is looking forward to a heroes homecoming after being treated pretty well at the local Nick.
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Depends. Tony Martin got done because he killed his burglar as he retreated.
And used an illegally held shotgun to do it (it wasn't licenced to him). Its hard to claim 'reasonable force' when your shooting someone running away, at distance.

I suspect the guy in the case will be cleared. But its to easy to prejudge based on the people involved. I remember in my home town two teen scally-a-likes were charged with murder, after a fight in which an adult male (Tory Counciller, Piller of the Community etc), was killed. They were demonised and harried, but it turned out that they'd been in a kebab shop, the guy had been ribbing them, they'd said something as they left, he came charging out after them, swung at one of them, and the kid had punched him, the guy went down, and smashed his head on the pavement.

Even after the court case, people wanted them tried for manslaughter or assault - even though the guy who died was entirely to blame - People become set in their belief, and don't like to be wrong.

Pre-conceptions and assumptions are dangerous things, especially where someone has lost their life and emotions run high.
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Let's hope he goes without punishment. Like i said on the thread that talked about Scooter mugging. If you get killed stealing someones stuff. It may not seem like a fair trade but so be it.
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