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Farawayeagle
25-11-2005, 07:13 AM
Popovic ready for challenge
AAP

World Cup qualification achieved, Socceroos defender Tony Popovic begins climbing another mountain this weekend - getting back in the starting side for his club.

Popovic has played just one game for English Coca-Cola Championship outfit Crystal Palace this season after battling a calf strain.

Palace's 3-0 win over Walsall in the League Cup on August 23 stands as Popovic's lone club appearance in five months.

Yet despite the 32-year-old's apparent lack of match fitness, Socceroos coach Guus Hiddink gambled on starting the veteran defender in the first leg of Australia's World Cup playoff against Uruguay in Montevideo.

Popovic repaid the Dutch master's faith with a strong performance in the 1-0 loss.

And while he was replaced by Harry Kewell just 32 minutes into the return leg in Sydney, Popovic's efforts proved crucial in the Socceroos' historic march to the 2006 World Cup in Germany.

With the World Cup seven months away, Popovic's focus, like the rest of the Socceroos' European-based players, switches back to club football this week.

And after being included in the squad for the clash with Luton Town, Popovic is determined to win his way back into Palace's starting 11.

"It's good to be back involved and I'm just going to work hard and wait for my opportunity to get back into the team," Popovic told the club's website.

After a slow start to the season, Palace - which was relegated from the Premier League last season - has lost just two of its past 11 games to climb to sixth in the Championship.

"The team's looking good ... we've got a tough game against Luton and if we can get there we're right amongst it," Popovic said.

"A win would be fantastic and ... we can perhaps start looking towards the top two."

st albans
25-11-2005, 07:35 AM
good to see he isn't making a fuss about not playing, well not yet anyway, especially with a big year for him. i've said for weeks he should be in for hall and we concentrate on having 2 defenders that can defend, but ID won't change this

Away Day Eagle
25-11-2005, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by st albans
good to see he isn't making a fuss about not playing, well not yet anyway, especially with a big year for him. i've said for weeks he should be in for hall and we concentrate on having 2 defenders that can defend, but ID won't change this

Poppa's attitude has always been good.

Had a lack of opportunities this and last season but came in doing a job when called up.

I'd like to see him start at left back Saturday.

:)

Dedders
25-11-2005, 08:11 AM
left back please

Gooders
25-11-2005, 08:12 AM
I would also play him at left back until further notice.

Dave
25-11-2005, 08:14 AM
No ta

Farawayeagle
25-11-2005, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Dave
No ta

Does that mean you would rather have an inexperienced rookie at left back, than an experienced left footed defender with a point to prove?

Dave
25-11-2005, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by Farawayeagle
Does that mean you would rather have an inexperienced rookie at left back, than an experienced left footed defender with a point to prove? yes

Farawayeagle
25-11-2005, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by Dave
yes

Why? ;)

st albans
25-11-2005, 08:45 AM
as much as i like poppa left back isn't the position for him, left footed or not left footed

he hasn't the pace that a left back would need, i'm no saying borrowdale has, but i'd much rather a not so good specialised left back than a good defender moved out there

as i said, poppa in for hall. hall was made to look rubbish by lutons howard in the first game this season and would feel much more confident with poppa and ward up against their bigger men

hall is crap in the air

Farawayeagle
25-11-2005, 08:47 AM
He has played at left back for Australia.

palace_crystal
25-11-2005, 08:59 AM
Dave: I usually agree with a lot of what you have to say, but for me Borrowdale is simply not good enough.

Popovic - Ward - Hall - Butterfield, would be my starting back line. Possibly Boyce at right back, as I would like to see Butters take more set pieces, Watson has improved this season, but imo butters is better.

Son of Ron
25-11-2005, 09:12 AM
I would play Poppa, ok he hasn't got pace but then none of our LB options have, and he's much stronger physically and more tactically astute than Borrowdale. He's probably the best organiser of the defence we've got.

Poppa, Ward, Hall, Boyce would be my defence v Luton.

Dave
25-11-2005, 10:05 AM
Poppa might be a short term solution but I don't think we gain enough by playing him. I'd rather persevere with Gary.

cpfc_spc1982
25-11-2005, 10:15 AM
hes not a left back.
ward and poppa could make a good defensive partnership if they were well protected by decent full backs and defensive midfielder.

TheCharmer
25-11-2005, 10:31 AM
Poppa hasn't got enough pace to play for us anymore, and should have been sent off in the second leg against Uruguay before Hiddink substituted him.

Scoot
25-11-2005, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by palace_crystal
Dave: I usually agree with a lot of what you have to say, but for me Borrowdale is simply not good enough.

He was plenty good enough on Tuesday

screamingalice
25-11-2005, 10:39 AM
"Popovic Wants To Play Against Luton"

And so he should-we need a leader in the defence.

(and also in midfield)

fulhameagle
25-11-2005, 10:41 AM
given how bad our defence is i would make room for him either at left back or in the middle. Are Hall and Ward all they are cracked up to be as the goals against is pretty woeful?

Esher Eagles
25-11-2005, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Scoot
He was plenty good enough on Tuesday

:bash: :bash:

One reasonable game all season and now Borrowdale is 'plenty good enough'. ??????

You clearly have taken drugs !!!!

PalaceMonkey
25-11-2005, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Scoot
He was plenty good enough on Tuesday

he was shit on tuesday!

Malakite
25-11-2005, 11:03 AM
Bring on Poppa! :lux:

(or should I perhaps say "Jaws-o-vic!) :D

Malakite
25-11-2005, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Dave
Poppa might be a short term solution but I don't think we gain enough by playing him. I'd rather persevere with Gary.
:eek:

AJ
25-11-2005, 12:26 PM
I don't have a problem at all with Poppa. He organizes the back line better than any other at the club. He CAN pass the ball. Prior to last season he wasn't renown for making mistakes or o.g's, but, that was in the Premiership. Palace are in the Championship and I think it would be good to put him back into the squad(at least) and into the team.

ANDYEAGLE
25-11-2005, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by cpfc_spc1982
hes not a left back.
ward and poppa could make a good defensive partnership if they were well protected by decent full backs and defensive midfielder.

He may not be a left back,but he can defend a lot better than GB.
Did he not play left back against Liverpool at home in our victory last season?. He had a great game that day and totally saw off Baros,put him nearly in the old stand with his first kick at him. I really enjoyed that. Would have no problem at Popo playing left back. A good defender who deserves his chance back in the team.

Mackenuff
25-11-2005, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by st albans
hall is crap in the air

For a bloke 6'5" in stature, this never ceases to amaze me. He should be winning everything............with ease. Also wish he would cut out the shirt tugging and just use strength and positioning to win the ball. He's given away numerous free-kicks around the box for grabbing the forwards shirt this season.

However, can't see that Popovic would be a much better option. At least Hall has pace and despite many peoples opinions, I think he is overall, a better footballer than Pops.

Pops is simply a worthy replacement if either of the current two suffer injury or we have a fixture pile-up and need to rest players.

Scoot
25-11-2005, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by Esher Eagles
:bash: :bash:

One reasonable game all season and now Borrowdale is 'plenty good enough'. ??????

You clearly have taken drugs !!!!

Some people on hear need to get off the 'this player is crap' bandwagon and think for themselves. Personally after Fulham away last year and many other games Poppo should not even be in our squad.

Gary however is for the future and has done enough to show he can make it. Think about when you was 19 (if indeed you are that old), you make a mistake and 16000 people moan at you. Do you REALLY think that is going to do your confidence much good?
Don't start giving it the big 'but he is a professional' that makes no odds. He is friggin 19 and needs confidence.

Clapham Grand
25-11-2005, 01:01 PM
Indeed, he has to be a better option on the bench than Hudson

Gooders
25-11-2005, 01:03 PM
And about 5 times a better option on the pitch than Borrowdale, who will never make it I'm afraid.

limited_edition
25-11-2005, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Clapham Grand
Indeed, he has to be a better option on the bench than Hudson He's not as good at striker as Hudson. :rolleyes:

Tom's Old Man
25-11-2005, 01:28 PM
Popovic in, Hall out

Santos-er
25-11-2005, 01:31 PM
prior to Coventry, we'd conceeded 8 goal in 3 games. And they haven't all been Borrowdale's fault.

I would welcome Popa back in the side ahead of Hall.

Buglebob
25-11-2005, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by Santos-er
prior to Coventry, we'd conceeded 8 goal in 3 games. And they haven't all been Borrowdale's fault.

A lot of that is down to us not having AJ defending from the front. IMHO

maestro
25-11-2005, 01:44 PM
Popo is a great natural leader, one of the best central defenders in this division and I would welcome him into the side that looks very shakey at the back, he's not a left back though.

Dedders
25-11-2005, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by maestro
Popo is a great natural leader, one of the best central defenders in this division and I would welcome him into the side that looks very shakey at the back, he's not a left back though.


borrowdale isnt a natural anything...
talk of Dowie dropping our captain is pretty pointless...
Popovic left Back

maestro
25-11-2005, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Dedders
borrowdale isnt a natural anything...
talk of Dowie dropping our captain is pretty pointless...
Popovic left Back

The reason borrowdale isnt great im my eyes is because he's too slow and has slow feet, popovic is probably even slower than boroowdale and it would be a disaster playing him left back.

If you want someone to play left back put boyce there and play butts and right back or put leigertwood there

Sleeping Giant
25-11-2005, 02:15 PM
I'd feel safer at the back with Pops rather than Hall. Pops is slow to the 2nd ball which is a worry but his ability in the air is being sorely missed.
I'm not too concerned about Hall's giving the ball away, though i'm not thrilled either obviously, but defensively he just hasn't been all that.

sydnsteve
25-11-2005, 02:20 PM
Hall will not be dropped. He is capt (for god alone knows what reason) so ID will play him. I had forgotten that Popps had played LB. Definitely worth a go there, as poor old GB is doing himself no favours.

st albans
25-11-2005, 02:54 PM
thankyou, people are finally coming around to the poppa in for hall debate

it's a no brainer for me, and i've been saying after the 1st couple of games

charltonhater
25-11-2005, 02:57 PM
A fully fit Popovic should replace either Ward or hall as he is better than both.

Even if he is an unfit blind Popovic with one leg, he should come in and replace Hall who is utterly useless.

screamingalice
25-11-2005, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by Gooders
And about 5 times a better option on the pitch than Borrowdale, who will never make it I'm afraid.

Strange how the England coaching set up seem to think he is good enough to play for his country.

917L
25-11-2005, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by screamingalice
Strange how the England coaching set up seem to think he is good enough to play for his country.

Under 20's

And that makes him a good left back at Championship level does it? his performances suggest not.

Dedders
25-11-2005, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by maestro
The reason borrowdale isnt great im my eyes is because he's too slow and has slow feet, popovic is probably even slower than boroowdale and it would be a disaster playing him left back.

If you want someone to play left back put boyce there and play butts and right back or put leigertwood there

Borrowdale leaves us exposed at the back by, yes LIKE POPS, being slow BUT also by being VERY error prone with the ball (bit like pops!), poor positioning (e.g. vs Sheff Utd's second goal, Pops out of position couldnt have done worse) and being a bit wet and flimsy in the tackle (something that POPS DEFINITELY ISNT).

Plus Pops would provide a MUCH MUCH needed added threat from corners.

big bazza
25-11-2005, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by charltonhater
A fully fit Popovic should replace either Ward or hall as he is better than both.

Even if he is an unfit blind Popovic with one leg, he should come in and replace Hall who is utterly useless.

Popovic better than Ward?
What are you on?

aj4england
25-11-2005, 10:02 PM
with poppo i will always remember that penalty he gave away agianst sunderland and liverpool away where he just lunges in and over streches. hes not that quick but hes a leader. 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other.

at the moment i feel we are best with boyce left back butters right back

eagles #1
25-11-2005, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by charltonhater

Even if he is an unfit blind Popovic with one leg, he should come in and replace Hall who is utterly useless. :D You're a funny fella.

Could you imagine Popo and Ward partnering each other? Neil Shipperly would skin em both!!

Ian Hart
25-11-2005, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by PalaceMonkey
he was shit on tuesday!

He's had plenty of poor games this season. But Tuesday wasn't one of them, when he was in fact one of the best defenders on the pitch. Criticise him by all means when he plays badly, but if you thought he was shit on Tuesday you'd made your mind up before the game started.

Let's get this criticism of him in perspective. Would you really want to swap him for either of the Coventry full-backs, both of whom made Wayne & Jobi look like Ryan Giggs at his peak.

I don't think Borrowdale is likely ever to become a top class defender, but a the moment he's the best fit player for that position. When he came on at half time in the Crewe match, this site was full of comments about what a difference it had made having a proper left-back playing in that position, and how well he'd played. But as soon as he plays badly (as against Brighton) some people immediately start calling for his removal. Let's stick with him until DG is fit - anything else (eg playing Boyce or Popovic there) will be equally criticised the moment it goes wrong.

Benzhiyi
26-11-2005, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by eagles #1
:D You're a funny fella.

Could you imagine Popo and Ward partnering each other? Neil Shipperly would skin em both!!

Got to disagree with that.

The way Hall has played this season I'd feel far more confident with Poppa and Ward at the back. Hall may have pace but his positioning and marking has been consistently appalling.

As for your Shipps gag, who was supposed to be marking him when he scored with a header at Selhurst?

Watch the tape...

IanH
26-11-2005, 10:23 AM
Presumably, Popovic is not match fit anyway if the Aussies brought him after 32 mins, so he couldn't start the Luton game anyway. I don't think he's a left back either. Granville should hopefully be back soon and Butterfield/Boyce would be preferable to Borrowdale. Borrowdale does have the odd good game and he has a sweet left foot, but he always seems to be out of position and off the pace. I'm not convinced he will ever be a good Premiership or even Championship player, but if he is all that's available for us at the moment due to injuries, then we have to stick with him and try and encourage him.

rednblueso31
26-11-2005, 10:40 AM
I think Hall's problem is his natural urge to hoof the ball upfield, but his defending has been sound. While Poppa is good at the back, i felt he takes too long on the ball and always encourages trouble. Pops is great in the air but i think he is a liability too.
Biggest problem with our defence is Borrowdale. Yes, I accept he is young and needs experience but he is so predictable. Never closes down or puts in a challenge, just invites them on. Always passes square or back. Its a shame because going forward is one of his key strengths. Maybe a left sided midfield role would suit him??

rednblueso31
26-11-2005, 10:43 AM
One other thing on Popovic....... how come he keeps putting in his Captains comment in the programme when he has been out for so long. It would have been nice to have seen something from Hughesy or Fitz or whoever was captain at the time. We did the same thing when Curtis Flemming was out.

Tommy Pickle
26-11-2005, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by st albans

...as i said, poppa in for hall. hall was made to look rubbish by lutons howard in the first game this season and would feel much more confident with poppa and ward up against their bigger men

hall is crap in the air

Howard has made every centre back he has played against this season look rubbsh in the air.

Originally posted by Mackenuff
For a bloke 6'5" in stature, this never ceases to amaze me. He should be winning everything............with ease. Also wish he would cut out the shirt tugging and just use strength and positioning to win the ball. He's given away numerous free-kicks around the box for grabbing the forwards shirt this season.

However, can't see that Popovic would be a much better option. At least Hall has pace and despite many peoples opinions, I think he is overall, a better footballer than Pops.

Pops is simply a worthy replacement if either of the current two suffer injury or we have a fixture pile-up and need to rest players.

Good post.

Gooders
26-11-2005, 05:17 PM
Could have done with him today by the sounds of it.

maestro
26-11-2005, 05:18 PM
Hopsefully play him next week, need him as natural leader

Tom's Old Man
26-11-2005, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by maestro
Hopsefully play him next week, need him as natural leader
Too bloody right. As I said before, Popovic IN, Hall OUT.

<_tece_>
26-11-2005, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Tom's Old Man
Too bloody right. As I said before, Popovic IN, Hall OUT.

Would it be stupid at this stage to suggest, Popovic IN, Soares OUT, Hall IN MIDFIELD.

He may have looked lost there in the Premiership (although I do remember him outplaying Lampard at Selhurst), but in this division, we could use his height and presence in midfield. On top of this, he is decent with his feet and likes to go forward, whilst being defensive minded.

I know I have opposed this in the past, but we need something radical, and this time I think it may work.

Chester 76
26-11-2005, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Mackenuff
For a bloke 6'5" in stature, this never ceases to amaze me. He should be winning everything............with ease. Also wish he would cut out the shirt tugging and just use strength and positioning to win the ball. He's given away numerous free-kicks around the box for grabbing the forwards shirt this season.

However, can't see that Popovic would be a much better option. At least Hall has pace and despite many peoples opinions, I think he is overall, a better footballer than Pops.

Pops is simply a worthy replacement if either of the current two suffer injury or we have a fixture pile-up and need to rest players. Hall isn`t 6`5 that would make him taller than Popovic which he isn`t.

Benzhiyi
26-11-2005, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by <_tece_>
Would it be stupid at this stage to suggest, Popovic IN, Soares OUT, Hall IN MIDFIELD.

Yes, because Soares, Watson, Hughes and Riihilahti are all vastly superior in that area of the park.

No point crowbaring him in for the sake of it. He's been off form all season so let's give him a break and see how he responds in the reserves.

<_tece_>
26-11-2005, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by Benzhiyi
Yes, because Soares, Watson, Hughes and Riihilahti are all vastly superior in that area of the park.

No point crowbaring him in for the sake of it. He's been off form all season so let's give him a break and see how he responds in the reserves.

Read the rest of my post.

Benzhiyi
26-11-2005, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by <_tece_>
Read the rest of my post.

I did, but didn't see the need in quoting all of it.

<_tece_>
26-11-2005, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Benzhiyi
I did, but didn't see the need in quoting all of it.

In which case you would recognise that I knew it would be a radical make or break situation; our midfielders have not been performing.

It would give us another option that's for sure.

Espen
26-11-2005, 10:10 PM
play Popovic!!

Hall has not impressed me at all this season!

Sussex Eagle
26-11-2005, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by <_tece_>
In which case you would recognise that I knew it would be a radical make or break situation; our midfielders have not been performing.

Doesn't make you right. If he's playing shit he deserves to be dropped, not moved to a role he has shown no evidence of being any more competent in. Let's just start Leggy please.

Sandowneagle
27-11-2005, 10:46 AM
I'm no Popps fan but I thought before yesterday that he would play against Luton. They are no longer a surprise package. You need height, strength, and a little bit of thuggery to stop you being intimidated would help. Popps has all of that and therefore he would play left back.

Farawayeagle
27-11-2005, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by rednblueso31
One other thing on Popovic....... how come he keeps putting in his Captains comment in the programme when he has been out for so long. It would have been nice to have seen something from Hughesy or Fitz or whoever was captain at the time. We did the same thing when Curtis Flemming was out.

Popovic is the Club captain and Hall is the Team Captain. That's why he writes the programme notes.

Tom's Old Man
27-11-2005, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by <_tece_>
Would it be stupid at this stage to suggest, Popovic IN, Soares OUT, Hall IN MIDFIELD.

He may have looked lost there in the Premiership (although I do remember him outplaying Lampard at Selhurst), but in this division, we could use his height and presence in midfield. On top of this, he is decent with his feet and likes to go forward, whilst being defensive minded.

I know I have opposed this in the past, but we need something radical, and this time I think it may work.
Don't agree with that one. Fitz Hall was shocking in Midfield last season. His position is at the back. We have several options for Midfield if Soares is believed to be too weak. How Fitz is still in the side at all is a mystery to me.

AJ
27-11-2005, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Chester 76
Hall isn`t 6`5 that would make him taller than Popovic which he isn`t.

also make him (nearly) a freak :o

AJ
27-11-2005, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Sandowneagle
I'm no Popps fan but I thought before yesterday that he would play against Luton. They are no longer a surprise package. You need height, strength, and a little bit of thuggery to stop you being intimidated would help. Popps has all of that and therefore he would play left back.

Didn't someone make a statement that after Fulham(away) last year Dowie didn't want to ever play Pop for Palace again?

Least we forget the successful pairing of Pop and Hudson last time we were in this division.

JayT
28-11-2005, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by AJ
Didn't someone make a statement that after Fulham(away) last year Dowie didn't want to ever play Pop for Palace again?

Least we forget the successful pairing of Pop and Hudson last time we were in this division.

Even if they did make that statement, they were certainly wrong. He played towards the end of the season and did a bloody good job as well.

TonysMumsabitch
28-11-2005, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Farawayeagle
He has played at left back for Australia.

I don't think I've ever seen him play at left back for us. Maybe the left side central defender of a back 3 - but never left back.

sydnsteve
28-11-2005, 02:02 PM
He has played LB for Palace, I'm pretty sure. And if he can stand up mhe'd be an improvement on GB. Hudson for Hall, Popps for GB, Hughes and Leggy CM.

I can but dream (though I'd agree that none of them are exactly dream material!)

arussell
29-11-2005, 04:20 PM
Sounds like Tony will be getting a chance to play tomorrow night.