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UEAgle
23-08-2008, 05:25 PM
What an absolute idiot.

Is that really any way for a CAPTAIN to behave? What a ridiculous challenge to make in the context of the match. Mindless.

The most mature players on our team today were Tommy Soares and Jules.

Brett
23-08-2008, 05:29 PM
There's obviously a need here to have him hung, drawn and quartered.

All those that want Derry in the stocks at HT against Swansea, please sign below.

Brummie Allan
23-08-2008, 05:30 PM
That's not good enough 60 lashes at least

UEAgle
23-08-2008, 05:30 PM
You thought his behavior was appropriate for a captain?

He had a Gallas moment x10. Couldn't he just engage his brain?

9Freedman9
23-08-2008, 05:34 PM
Not over reacting at all, he is the captain and is supposed to keep his cool.

Silly behaviour.

doogleboy
23-08-2008, 05:36 PM
god know why people clapped him off. also clapping ben watson?

Eagle Of Cray
23-08-2008, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by doogleboy
god know why people clapped him off. also clapping ben watson?

Bloody supporters.

UEAgle
23-08-2008, 05:39 PM
I've never understood why people applaud players who've been sent off.

The guy in front of me was adamant that it was a good tackle from Derry - what game was he watching?

Biggineagle
23-08-2008, 05:43 PM
Theres me thinking we bought him for his tackling. shows what I know.
YAWN

BaldEagle96
23-08-2008, 05:44 PM
Couldn't believe the abuse of the ref by so many fans for sending Derry off. It was warranted 100%. An awful tackle (but typical a Derry one)so soon after being booked for dissent for his constant giving out to the ref.

Mark Gardiner
23-08-2008, 05:44 PM
Absolutely agree - Derry obviously not paying attention to this "Respect" campaign, is booked for stupid dissent well after the event, and within a minute hacks down an opponent. Brainless. Even if Warnock defends him publicly (I hope not) he should rip his head off behind closed doors.

Mind you, Derry made Scowcroft look a lot less bad!

rainbow_child
23-08-2008, 05:50 PM
The ref was a prized & he would of sent him off for something else later in the game anyway!! :veryangry

Willz
23-08-2008, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
Bloody supporters.

Er maybe because he's a brilliant player.

Mark Gardiner
23-08-2008, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by rainbow_child
The ref was a prized & he would of sent him off for something else later in the game anyway!! :veryangry

I thought the referee got the two sending-offs (or four bookings!) absolutely right, but then completely lost control.

Scowcroft: yellow for an elbow (could have been a red card)
Scowcroft: led with his arm (clearly viewed from Whitehorse Lane end but may have been hidden from the Holmesdale) in an aerial challenge.

Derry: yellow for dissent - having seen the ref book a Burnley player in the first half for exactly the same offence on the same spot!
Derry: Late & crude challenge halting a break in midfield, definite bookable offence.

thefox
23-08-2008, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Willz
Er maybe because he's a brilliant player.

Can i have whoosh please bob

thefox
23-08-2008, 06:00 PM
I wonder who will get the blame next week , i think we should have a weekly poll.

UEAgle
23-08-2008, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by thefox
I wonder who will get the blame next week , i think we should have a weekly poll.

So you think Derry wasn't partly to blame for today?

Sussex Eagle
23-08-2008, 06:06 PM
It was a very very stupid way to get yourself sent off. Most of the time his aggression does us some good and I'm certainly not slating him in general. Today his head went.

jamie12
23-08-2008, 06:11 PM
DERRY = LEGEND!! :love:

Beatleboy
23-08-2008, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by thefox
I wonder who will get the blame next week , i think we should have a weekly poll.

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Come on, it's bound to be the referee as usual !

Mickey Gilley
23-08-2008, 06:13 PM
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cpfc4evandeva
23-08-2008, 06:17 PM
Oh no, he got sent off.

Fcuking get over it.

Beatleboy
23-08-2008, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by rainbow_child
The ref was a prized & he would of sent him off for something else later in the game anyway!!

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Sorry, but thid doesn't make any sense at all.

TurkeyTwizzler
23-08-2008, 06:47 PM
Lets be honest.. the ref was a joke.

They should have had a penalty too.

If scowcroft elbowed the bloke to get sent off (which I think he did)... why did the bloke who got headbutted get a yellow card?

Super-Ste-Cious
23-08-2008, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Mark Gardiner
Derry: Late & crude challenge halting a break in midfield, definite bookable offence.

Not for Burnley player minutes earlier, who did almost indentical challenge without even a free-kick being given.

It was the correct decision but ref was inconsistent.

Mark Gardiner
23-08-2008, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by Super-Ste-Cious
Not for Burnley player minutes earlier, who did almost indentical challenge without even a free-kick being given.

It was the correct decision but ref was inconsistent.

Yes, that he was.

pauldrulez
23-08-2008, 09:01 PM
I'm glad he done it, if only he had taken the ref down with the same challenge that that Cuban taekwondo guy did to their referee. Now that was worth it.

We knew Derry couldnt handle being wound up, after being booked for dissent he was obviously going to be sent off and I am glad he done it in style. 2-Footed would have been better but anything is good and had he done it to that stupid-haired wanker Eagles I would have voted for him as man-of-the-match as it livened my day up.

UEAgle
23-08-2008, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by pauldrulez
I'm glad he done it, if only he had taken the ref down with the same challenge that that Cuban taekwondo guy did to their referee. Now that was worth it.

We knew Derry couldnt handle being wound up, after being booked for dissent he was obviously going to be sent off and I am glad he done it in style. 2-Footed would have been better but anything is good and had he done it to that stupid-haired wanker Eagles I would have voted for him as man-of-the-match as it livened my day up.

Very mature.

It's true that Derry has issues with being wound up. I'm really not sure he should be skip.

jamie12
23-08-2008, 09:06 PM
It was a bloody good tackle though!!

UEAgle
23-08-2008, 09:07 PM
Clearly it wasn't.

Sheeps
23-08-2008, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Mark Gardiner
I thought the referee got the two sending-offs (or four bookings!) absolutely right, but then completely lost control.

Scowcroft: yellow for an elbow (could have been a red card)
Scowcroft: led with his arm (clearly viewed from Whitehorse Lane end but may have been hidden from the Holmesdale) in an aerial challenge.

Derry: yellow for dissent - having seen the ref book a Burnley player in the first half for exactly the same offence on the same spot!
Derry: Late & crude challenge halting a break in midfield, definite bookable offence. At the end off the game, the ref went to the centre circle and waited for his escort of the pitch,knowing that he made himself the talking point of the game.Sendings off,i missed scowies second offence,Derry-Guilty.

jamie12
23-08-2008, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by pauldrulez
I'm glad he done it, if only he had taken the ref down with the same challenge that that Cuban taekwondo guy did to their referee. Now that was worth it.

We knew Derry couldnt handle being wound up, after being booked for dissent he was obviously going to be sent off and I am glad he done it in style. 2-Footed would have been better but anything is good and had he done it to that stupid-haired wanker Eagles I would have voted for him as man-of-the-match as it livened my day up. post o the year :p ;)

Mark Gardiner
23-08-2008, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Sheeps
At the end off the game, the ref went to the centre circle and waited for his escort of the pitch,knowing that he made himself the talking point of the game.Sendings off,i missed scowies second offence,Derry-Guilty.

Nothing to do with the howling lynch mob waiting for him.

Can assure you I had an excellent view of Scowie leading with his arm for the second yellow. White shows up so well, don't you think?

Kevin T
23-08-2008, 09:18 PM
I didn't get to the game today, but saw my uncle earlier who did go. He said the Scowcroft sending off was justified but that Derry didn't even touch the player for the second yellow, but he went down like a ton of bricks. I'm guessing he was wathing through rose tinted specs then?

pauldrulez
23-08-2008, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by jamie12
post o the year :p ;)
Thanks :lux:

It winds me up when people dont see that players can get frustrated when a man that is 50-50 can be completely against you whatever you do and it can rile players and it is known that Derry gets his back up easily.

The ref should be lined up and shot at by every fan in the ground even though he livened up the game. To see the majority of the crowd stay behind to boo the useless bastard made it worthwhile for me and Clints' tackle shouldn't go without mention.

You can try and cheat us but we will break your legs or break your nose(Scowie).
I cant wait to hear what Warnock says, he may explode but it was good to see him pull the players away from the ref at the end.

ruffus
23-08-2008, 09:33 PM
Having been to the game I thought Scowie was going to be sent off for challenge, but from where i was sittting in lower holmesdale i thought that derry got the ball in a fierce tackle? can anyone confirm if he got the ball 1st! my opinion was that it was a solid hard tackle by Derry.

glaziers fan
23-08-2008, 09:36 PM
More to the point than Derry getting a silly sending off, which can happen to anybody, is his lack of fitness and worryingly poor performances.

Let's hope he improves soon.

orp pisshead1
23-08-2008, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by UEAgle
What an absolute idiot.

Is that really any way for a CAPTAIN to behave? What a ridiculous challenge to make in the context of the match. Mindless.

The most mature players on our team today were Tommy Soares and Jules.

Spot on, unbelievably some idiots clapped him off wtf.

davidhopkin
23-08-2008, 09:50 PM
Give Paddy Mac the captaincy or Matt lawrence, but I think it should be Paddy Mac and Fonte partnership.

Bresslaw Nation
23-08-2008, 11:25 PM
Yeah, Derry's run up a lot of credit in the past, but you can't excuse that tackle at that time - if you're the captain of a team, you're on a booking and you've had someone sent off a few mins earlier by a referee who's obviously got a flair for the dramatic, you should think a moment before lunging in like that.

Mark Gardiner
24-08-2008, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by ruffus
Having been to the game I thought Scowie was going to be sent off for challenge, but from where i was sittting in lower holmesdale i thought that derry got the ball in a fierce tackle? can anyone confirm if he got the ball 1st! my opinion was that it was a solid hard tackle by Derry.

From my POV in the Whitehorse, Derry was nowhere near the ball. IMHO the challenge was late & deliberate.

Mark Gardiner
24-08-2008, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by Kevin T
I didn't get to the game today, but saw my uncle earlier who did go. He said the Scowcroft sending off was justified but that Derry didn't even touch the player for the second yellow, but he went down like a ton of bricks. I'm guessing he was wathing through rose tinted specs then?

The Burnley player was definitely fouled & could not avoid going down, but like many professional footballers (& his mate earlier) he stayed down to ensure the ref saw the gravity of the offence. IMHO Derry was determined to stop the player, not necessarily to hurt him.

Riley
24-08-2008, 08:32 AM
I suppose most people would have expected an NW tirade after the ref's performance yesterday but he was quite cool and collected in the press conference from what I've seen and even agrees with Derry's sending off...

"I was disappointed with [that decision], not the first, Derry was a cert. Two yellow cards. You can't complain about that. But I thought he got it wrong with the Scowcroft incident. I felt that both of them were doing that. When you look at it on the videos I couldn't see one without the other."

On Derry, he continued:

"Oh yeah of course he has [apologised]. He is captain and he has let us all down. I told him that if he didn't want to go to Leeds then you didn't have to do that. I think I might take him with us just for punishment. "


He'll probably get it in the neck for taking it lying down now! I'm sure he will have said something in private though.

The more I think about it the more optimistic I am that yesterday will be the kick-start to the season we needed. We'll be thanking the ref come May, you watch!

Eddie'S Dad
24-08-2008, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by Mark Gardiner
I thought the referee got the two sending-offs (or four bookings!) absolutely right, but then completely lost control.

Scowcroft: yellow for an elbow (could have been a red card)
Scowcroft: led with his arm (clearly viewed from Whitehorse Lane end but may have been hidden from the Holmesdale) in an aerial challenge.

Derry: yellow for dissent - having seen the ref book a Burnley player in the first half for exactly the same offence on the same spot!
Derry: Late & crude challenge halting a break in midfield, definite bookable offence.

I am with you on this.

I was in the White Horse Lanbe end and couldn't fault the ref for either of the sending off.
Scowcroft could have easily have had a red when he got his first yellow. Our view from that end was obviously better than elsewhere.

I also saw derry get booke dfor decent.

But I don't think it mattered where you sat for what followed with a ref who clearly lost it and wasn;t up to the task !

Bobsta
24-08-2008, 10:00 AM
it was late. Get over it.

Beatleboy
24-08-2008, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by pauldrulez
I'm glad he done it, if only he had taken the ref down with the same challenge that that Cuban taekwondo guy did to their referee. Now that was worth it.

We knew Derry couldnt handle being wound up, after being booked for dissent he was obviously going to be sent off and I am glad he done it in style. 2-Footed would have been better but anything is good and had he done it to that stupid-haired wanker Eagles I would have voted for him as man-of-the-match as it livened my day up.
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WORST post of the year.

We don't need need morons like that at CPFC.

pauldrulez
24-08-2008, 10:13 AM
Is it because I threatened the poor diddums referee. He should never have the chance to ref in our league.

Even Fergie has called him a disgrace in the past and I think the players done well in refraining from whacking him one. Especially Derry the mood he was in.

Both were deserved sending-offs as was Clints' tackle.

middleeagle
24-08-2008, 10:23 AM
He knew he was on a yellow card and that we had just gone down to 10 men and he goes flying in like that. You don't expect that from your captain who is meant to get the team focused and composed after just losing a man.

So far this season i have seen none of the Derry we saw second half of last season. He's gone backwards. surely Warnock can see that he hasn't been playing well but puts Fletcher on the list. Like another poster said, Paddy Mc should be captain. Thought he was brilliant yesterday.

Freddy Kurz
24-08-2008, 10:27 AM
Too much OTT reaction to the Derry sending-off. Yes he deserved
his two yellow cards and ye

Beatleboy
24-08-2008, 10:34 AM
pauldrulez:

"Is it because I threatened the poor diddums referee. He should never have the chance to ref in our league.

Even Fergie has called him a disgrace in the past and I think the players done well in refraining from whacking him one. Especially Derry the mood he was in."

Both were deserved sending-offs as was Clints' tackle."

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Now you have totally confused me !

Your last sentence says that the referee was right in sending the players off - the preceeding sentence suggest that the players should have assaulted the referee for getting it right !!

Very strange.

Perhaps you just go along to football for the potential aggro ?

jamie12
24-08-2008, 10:41 AM
Just seen the tackle on The Championship... How on Earth the Burnley bloke still has a leg left I'll never know :eek:

DANGERMOUSE
24-08-2008, 10:43 AM
Derry was very foolish. Firstly, the dissent booking: no player should ever give the referee backchat, captain or no. Frankly the more players who are booked for dissent, the better. They'll soon learn, and footballers would go a long way to redeem their image. Secondly, it was a stupid tackle in the context of the game, and yes, sometimes we've seen them go unpunished, but they also result in cards. I've no complaints with the sending off - not with the referee, anyway.

Freddy Kurz
24-08-2008, 10:45 AM
Too much OTT reaction to the Derry. Yes he deserved his two
yellow cards and the sending-off, although they were for quite
different offences. Yes, in the context of the game he was
totally out of order to have put his team down to nine men &
bereft of a captain. Nevertheless, he is a Palace player
through and through and does not deserve to be crucified
for his two minutes of madness.

A player does not become a bad player in such circumstances,
and after he has had the opportunity to reflect on things will,
as a senior professional, and our newly appointed captain seek
to eliminate such conduct from his game in the future.

Let's not forget that it was Derry's sheer consistency over
several months that helped Palace reach the play-offs and
he, surely deserves the chance to make amends for what
was a rare aberration in a very long career.

He will now have to show he that he can continue to take
on board the responsibilities of captaincy alongside his job
in Palace's midfield.

Oddly enough Derry's sending-off was the signal for Palace's
brave and successful rearguard-action, and it says much for
the team's spirit that they were able to rescue a point in
such circumstances showing at the same time solidarity
with their red-carded colleagues........

Nelson Muntz
24-08-2008, 10:49 AM
Fletch be gettng in he side now.

Freddy Kurz
24-08-2008, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Nelson Muntz
Fletch be gettng in he side now.

And just how consistent is Fletcher, on the rare occasions when he
is fully fit?

pauldrulez
24-08-2008, 10:58 AM
The 2nd Scowie decision was right but the first one wasnt and the situation was inflamed after the 3 yellow cards given for dissent which caused Derry to see red.

And no I dont go for football for the aggro, I go to watch a game with an inpartial referee, the ball on the floor and commitment to the end.

From what I saw yesterday there was only one of those 3 things.

Freddy Kurz
24-08-2008, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
Too much OTT reaction to the Derry sending-off. Yes he deserved
his two yellow cards and ye

Please delete and reinstate with other post.

Phil O'Sophical
24-08-2008, 11:07 AM
I blame the handshake of friendship before each match. Since that was introduced we have had one game descend into a mass brawl with bouncers on the pitch and the other with multiple sendings off and bookings.

Far better to have 15 rounds between the teams (11 each side in the ring) before we start and then the games would be guaranteed to be peaceful cos' they'd all be too knackered. Who knows, we might even score.

pauldrulez
24-08-2008, 11:08 AM
Keep the handshake, it makes up for the hoofball if it keeps bringing arguments.

SeasideEagle
24-08-2008, 12:10 PM
Meh. Derry lost his cool for a moment and made a mistake. It WAS an awful challenge, but whether he meant it or not...

Tom's Old Man
24-08-2008, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Nelson Muntz
Fletch be gettng in he side now.
He shoul dhave a chance. Derry needs to lead by example, his performance was poor & sending off fully justified.

pauldrulez
24-08-2008, 02:52 PM
Will Fletch be here still?

917L
24-08-2008, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by pauldrulez
Will Fletch be here still?

NW clearly hopes not

Timbo
24-08-2008, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Bresslaw Nation
Yeah, Derry's run up a lot of credit in the past, but you can't excuse that tackle at that time - if you're the captain of a team, you're on a booking and you've had someone sent off a few mins earlier by a referee who's obviously got a flair for the dramatic, you should think a moment before lunging in like that.

Yeah but logical thought is wasted on this thread

Timbo
24-08-2008, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Beatleboy
Originally posted by pauldrulez
I'm glad he done it, if only he had taken the ref down with the same challenge that that Cuban taekwondo guy did to their referee. Now that was worth it.

We knew Derry couldnt handle being wound up, after being booked for dissent he was obviously going to be sent off and I am glad he done it in style. 2-Footed would have been better but anything is good and had he done it to that stupid-haired wanker Eagles I would have voted for him as man-of-the-match as it livened my day up.
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Beatleboy
24-08-2008, 03:08 PM
Whats a SOH ?

pauldrulez
24-08-2008, 03:09 PM
Sense of Humour

Beatleboy
24-08-2008, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by pauldrulez
I'm glad he done it, if only he had taken the ref down with the same challenge that that Cuban taekwondo guy did to their referee. Now that was worth it.

We knew Derry couldnt handle being wound up, after being booked for dissent he was obviously going to be sent off and I am glad he done it in style. 2-Footed would have been better but anything is good and had he done it to that stupid-haired wanker Eagles I would have voted for him as man-of-the-match as it livened my day up.
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Jamie12:

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Beatleboy: WORST post of the year.

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Timbo:

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Sorry, I didn't understand that assaulting people amounted to having a SOH.

My mistake obviously !

henryhallandhisbasque
24-08-2008, 05:01 PM
Didn't people think the shun signed out of his arse last season? Didn't people think Dowie was great not so long ago? Wasn't Bostock going to be given the freedom of Camberwell Green about 10 minutes ago? Didn't a lot of us think Warnock was brilliant when he got us to the play-offs? Still, no worries, everything is marvellous as Sordan javed the club.

Super-Ste-Cious
24-08-2008, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by UEAgle
What an absolute idiot.

I do chuckle that only 2 weeks ago everyone was saying how great he was, soo happy he is captain etc. He lost his rag...I dont care if you say 'he should know' better', many captains have done so in the past, many more will do in the future.

He deserved what he got, and will serve the suspension warrented. End of.

jamie12
24-08-2008, 05:16 PM
THERES ONLY ONE SHAUN DERRY! ONE SHAUN DERRY!

Skiddo
25-08-2008, 12:51 PM
He got sent off, so what.

Get over it, forget about it.

jamie12
25-08-2008, 01:38 PM
When Keane or Cantona got sent off, were Manure fans wanting to strip him of the captaincy?

When Veira got sent off, did Arsenal want him out of the team?

ZOHAR
25-08-2008, 04:58 PM
Crystal Palace skipper Shaun Derry apologised to his team-mates and manager Neil Warnock following his red card against Burnley on Saturday.

Derry is now banned for the Carling Cup second-round trip to his former club Leeds after collecting two yellow cards in the space of two minutes - the second an unnecessary foul on Burnley's Wade Elliott.

"Of course he has (apologised). He is the captain and he has let us all down," said Warnock.

"I told him if he didn't want to go to Leeds then he didn't have to do that. I think I might take him with us just for punishment!"

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1771_4047985,00.html