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Big Guns
26-11-2009, 02:00 PM
http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/tn/Sport.cfm?id=46689&headline=Exclusive%3A

Ipswich after John

dannyboy1807
26-11-2009, 02:02 PM
we are crazy if we let him go.

Sandowneagle
26-11-2009, 02:04 PM
There is some truth behind this - heard the rumour from within Palace on Tuesday.

kolinkins
26-11-2009, 02:07 PM
Keane being imaginative again.

jb888
26-11-2009, 02:12 PM
To be honest i'd rather see Calvin or Alan go out on loan.

Stern John has impressed me when i've seen him play and we shouldn't let him leave!

Sandowneagle
26-11-2009, 02:12 PM
Should also say I heard another players name mentioned with Ipswich, the fact that the story only mentions Stern then I guess the other player was a definate no from Palace.

Kirby
26-11-2009, 02:14 PM
Well it has to be someone Irish or ex-Sunderland so I'd go for Paddy McCarthy, Alan Lee or Sean Scannell.

We'd be idiotic to let John go. Although seeing Calvin Andrew feature on Saturday could mean we're willing to let a striker leave.

MasterYoda
26-11-2009, 02:14 PM
do we still owe them money?

dannyboy1807
26-11-2009, 02:15 PM
i would rather it was Lee not John

Lee works hard but John looks like he will score more often.

montstar
26-11-2009, 02:16 PM
I wish he would start with John he looked a class above admittedly in the short spells I have seen him, but still

SpikeyMatt
26-11-2009, 02:19 PM
Would be a bizarre decision, unless we brought someone else in - which is highly unlikely in itself.

Stavros 69
26-11-2009, 02:29 PM
John is ten times the player lee is.

LeeH
26-11-2009, 02:41 PM
we'd be mental to let this happen and I'd be ver surprised.

Boyandy
26-11-2009, 02:41 PM
I would rather it was Leee John. He's not been up to much since he left Imagination.

Big Guns
26-11-2009, 02:59 PM
I cant see this hapenning unless we are getting a replacement maybe a loan swap for Stead?

Neillo's Son
26-11-2009, 03:11 PM
It'd be madness to let him go. We're in decent form and 4 points off the playoffs. Although we're tough to beat, we need all the fire power we can get right now!

Warnock's already said we're not bringing anyone in so this would be a big mistake IMO.

thehalifaxman
26-11-2009, 03:12 PM
If they let us off the rest of the payments for Lee might as well tbh we've done pretty well this season without him. That said unless they drop the debt we should keep him as Lee was looking shattered when we had 2 games a week

9Freedman9
26-11-2009, 03:13 PM
I cant see this hapenning unless we are getting a replacement maybe a loan swap for Stead?



Would be a backwards move IMO.

cockles
26-11-2009, 04:20 PM
As much as I would hate Palace to aide Roy Keane in any way, I think that for John it would be good. He would surely start games (they are desperate) and the thing holding him back now is match sharpness for us.

Realistically, NW isn't going to drop Alan Lee until John is match fit, so we have a catch22 here.

Would think that Andrew is more likely to make impact from bench than John, so might be positive for him too.

No way do we want Stead.

The Gerry Queen
26-11-2009, 04:40 PM
We should find out in 21 minutes ! The suspense is killing

Gazza2
26-11-2009, 04:58 PM
A sign of how skint we are?

The Gerry Queen
26-11-2009, 05:17 PM
Well, it's not on the BBC Transfers list and a load of other loans are so I guess it hasn't happened :)

Timbo
26-11-2009, 06:36 PM
http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/tn/Sport.cfm?id=46689&headline=Exclusive%3A

Ipswich after John

Why is there a clown's face at the top left side of the article?............or is it a bird?

Budgie Byrne
26-11-2009, 06:52 PM
Well, it's not on the BBC Transfers list and a load of other loans are so I guess it hasn't happened :)

Not yet, but..................................

ZOHAR
26-11-2009, 07:20 PM
Stern Joins Ipswich On Loan

Posted on: Thu 26 Nov 2009

Crystal Palace can confirm that Stern John has joined Ipswich Town on a one month loan.

Stern will join up with Roy Keane's men ahead of their away trip to Cardiff City on Saturday and will be available to them until the 29th December.

Stern recently returned from an elbow dislocation that had kept him out for three months, and has so far failed to find the net this term from seven appearances for Palace.

http://www.cpfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10323~1887477,00.html

chatham_eagle
26-11-2009, 07:21 PM
F'ing hell

philsick
26-11-2009, 07:22 PM
I dont get it.

joe walker
26-11-2009, 07:23 PM
Maybe they paid us for the privilege.

It is Roy 'who needs sense? I got money' keane

ZOHAR
26-11-2009, 07:26 PM
IPSWICH Town have completed the loan signing of striker Stern John, although it was touch-and-go!

The paperwork was processed just minutes before the 5pm transfer deadline, but Stern is now a Town player until January. The 33-year-old should make his debut at Cardiff on Sunday.

http://www.greenun24.co.uk/content/greenun/sport/football/championship/ipswich-town/story.aspx?brand=ESTOnline&category=SportITFC&tBrand=GreenunOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=IPED26%20Nov%202009%2019%3A21%3A11%3A797

TheMexicanHorse
26-11-2009, 07:27 PM
WTF?

Stavros 69
26-11-2009, 07:28 PM
A month isn't so bad but he should be in the first team.
I'm really starting to worry about money.

Lord Flange
26-11-2009, 07:34 PM
Has to be purely about wonga innit.

The Omen
26-11-2009, 07:34 PM
Worrying deal. Not so much that we lose John, but the fact that we were tempted/needed to do it...

Glad it's only for a month though. He may find his fitness and goal scoring boots in time to return to us in Jan.

HIPEMENT
26-11-2009, 07:35 PM
A month isnt really bad & i hope the move is based on getting him match fit.

If this is the case then i think its a smart move for both parties

cpfcfan1
26-11-2009, 07:37 PM
I can only assume that Andrew will be given a run out surely?

SE25Eagle
26-11-2009, 07:44 PM
Seeing as its only a month maybe its purlely to get him up to match fitness...?

Spikemeister
26-11-2009, 07:53 PM
I'd guess some of the finances around this loan are offset against the outstanding monies we still owe for Alan Lee. And we save on a month's salary.
Calvin Andrew's return and Alan Lee's decent form has allowed this.

Penshaw Eagle
26-11-2009, 07:53 PM
Are the loonies running the mad house now ?? bet he comes back with a injury
:veryangry :veryangry

kabbott
26-11-2009, 07:54 PM
So basically we're loaning out all the players most of us think should be playing for US. Great. :(
I hope Lee gets a hat-trick at the weekend to prove us wrong.

Sussex Eagle
26-11-2009, 08:01 PM
Hope we are getting enough out of this that it's worth it. Given Keane's record they might well be overpaying.

Will he be able to play for us against them on Boxing Day I wonder?

aj forever
26-11-2009, 08:09 PM
WTF abseloute joke, been looking forward to this guy and now he goes out on loan, getting fed up of this, what the hell is going on with our club !!!! were gonna get stuffed on sat...arrrrrrrr

pauldrulez
26-11-2009, 08:14 PM
Yes, because Stern John mas made a huge difference since we started this run....

Hedgehog
26-11-2009, 08:15 PM
do we still owe them money?
This could be the very reason.

jhc
26-11-2009, 08:22 PM
So will he be allowed to play against us on Boxing Day I wonder?
I will find out!

ZOHAR
26-11-2009, 08:27 PM
Stern John Loan Signing Confirmed

Town have confirmed the signing of Crystal Palace striker Stern John on loan until 29th December. The paperwork on the deal was completed close to the 5pm deadline with the authorities rubber-stamping the move later in the evening.

The Trinidad and Tobago international has played for the Eagles only seven times since joining them in the summer after undergoing elbow surgery in August. He is yet to score this season.

Having played for Malta Carib Alcons in his home country, John moved on to the Carolina Dynamo, the New Orleans Riverboat Gamblers and Columbus Crew in the US before relocating to England with Nottingham Forest in 1999.

Since then the 5ft 11in tall frontman has played for a long list of clubs, largely at Championship level: Birmingham City, Coventry, Derby (loan), Sunderland, Southampton and Bristol City (loan), before joining Palace in the summer on a free transfer. He has made 109 appearances for his country, scoring 69 goals.

In eight months at Sunderland under Keane between January and August 2007, John scored five goals in 10 starts and six sub appearances, helping the Black Cats to win the Championship. Overall in English football, John has scored 97 goals in 250 starts and 105 sub substitute appearances.

The striker will train with his new team-mates on Friday and is likely to make his debut at Cardiff on Sunday.

http://www.twtd.co.uk/news.php?storyid=15636&title=stern_john_loan_signing_confirmed

windy
26-11-2009, 08:28 PM
So will he be allowed to play against us on Boxing Day I wonder?
I will find out!

If his loan starts today then, no is the answer. His 1 month should be up on Xmas day (I hope).

eagle101
26-11-2009, 08:29 PM
So Alan Lee up top, Calvin Andrew on the bench, and Stern John, who must be on a fair bob, out on loan to get match fit and/or save money.

Unfortunate, but makes sense I guess - I'd have rather he stayed.

Sandown, who was the other player?

dannyboy1807
26-11-2009, 08:40 PM
If we couldn't ******* afford him why buy him.

cpfcfan1
26-11-2009, 08:48 PM
Would one of been Carle?

Spikemeister
26-11-2009, 08:49 PM
If we couldn't ******* afford him why buy him.


Perhaps we bought him in the expectation that we would sell Alan Lee ?

LeeH
26-11-2009, 08:59 PM
My god - mental decision and one that can only be for money reasons surely?

rossi71987
26-11-2009, 09:06 PM
My god he is on a one year contract and we ******* let him go out on loan. I am ******* disgraced at this decision why didn't we give him a chance to start and play. Instead we have got lee and sears who can't hit a barn door wankers

jhc
26-11-2009, 09:21 PM
If his loan starts today then, no is the answer. His 1 month should be up on Xmas day (I hope).

Seems to be the right answer.

CPFC Cheerleader Observer
26-11-2009, 09:26 PM
Cant we just give them Alan Lee back instead?!

delboy01
26-11-2009, 09:41 PM
So its finally happened, the loonatics have taken over the asylum!!!

:veryangry

Eagleder
26-11-2009, 09:43 PM
:veryangry
What the hell is going on down there! What is the point of getting in a player of 32 on loan, paying his medical bills until he's fit, then sending him out on loan. Warnock has said we need a quality striker and we send out the one that looks half way decent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gazza2
26-11-2009, 09:52 PM
Such a worrying time - John, our only Reserve keeper and a load of the youngsters suddenly farmed out on loan - money must be so tight. If we do go into admin we fall into relegation zone.

Chobham Eagle
26-11-2009, 10:09 PM
I wonder whose decision this was?

LeeH
26-11-2009, 10:12 PM
I keep coming back to this thread in some sort of mild disbelief and then I realise that this is Palace -and then I come back again and think WTF?And then again,I remember that this is no ordinary club we are talking about-and then..........

CPFC_DAVE77
26-11-2009, 10:12 PM
Very worrying.

SharkMan
26-11-2009, 10:13 PM
This is obscene.

the kooch
26-11-2009, 10:15 PM
FFS.

LeeSinnots ears
26-11-2009, 10:33 PM
A sign of how skint we are?

The answer: Totally Next will be be Moses , Danns , Mcarthy (If someone will take a risk) and so it goes on
Jordan is so skint he would sell his Granny if her could what a total F**K UP:sob:

dh25
26-11-2009, 10:34 PM
Assume one month loan, then transfers when window opens .....

ollie_porter
26-11-2009, 10:36 PM
This is very worrying. I'm also starting to get worried about January. We have to risk keeping our best players and do the best we can in this league. If we let everyone go, no matter how tight the money is, we will probably be relegated.

Gooders
26-11-2009, 10:40 PM
Not good. :(

Hedgehog
26-11-2009, 10:40 PM
Jordan is so skint he would sell his Granny if her could what a total F**K UP:sob:
And the alternative is?

sheepy
26-11-2009, 10:45 PM
Depends, he puts in a goad stint, gets 5/6 goals and then either comes back to us and into the team or ipswich put in a bid and we pocket the money.

If we're skint then loaning out a high earner who's not starting for a month and getting him off the wage bill isn't the worst business decision ever.

GodstoneEagle
26-11-2009, 10:47 PM
He has done little in the first team so I'm not that bothered. I feel it's a month for a reason. If they will pay 200k+ for a player we got for free and has hardly played then great. If we get back a fit centre forward then great.

Only possible bad thing that could come from this would be if he got injured again. People should stop over-reacting.

limited_edition
26-11-2009, 10:49 PM
:(

The Gerry Queen
26-11-2009, 11:29 PM
It says on the Palace site that he's available to Ipswich untill the 29th December and our game against Ipswich is on the 26th December. It doesn't say anything about a clause preventing him from playing against us. Sounds to me that this might be in lieu of a final payment for Alan Lee ?

Wright+Bright
26-11-2009, 11:34 PM
WTF This is shocking news! Really liked the look of John. Gutted!

spotkick
26-11-2009, 11:38 PM
Sears to score twice on Saturday then.:)

whoisdanze?
26-11-2009, 11:44 PM
He has done little in the first team so I'm not that bothered. I feel it's a month for a reason. If they will pay 200k+ for a player we got for free and has hardly played then great. If we get back a fit centre forward then great.

Only possible bad thing that could come from this would be if he got injured again. People should stop over-reacting.

agreed

David Amsalem
26-11-2009, 11:47 PM
Money must be so tight.

It would appear that if you're not in the starting eleven at the moment, you might be shipped out on loan.

Asagaya_Eagle
26-11-2009, 11:48 PM
Sounds to me that this might be in lieu of a final payment for Alan Lee ?

To be honest, it does look like that. He's not getting in the team at the moment, and Ipswich need goals. If he can get back to some sort of form while on loan, don't see a problem.

The Gerry Queen
26-11-2009, 11:52 PM
He has done little in the first team so I'm not that bothered. I feel it's a month for a reason. If they will pay 200k+ for a player we got for free and has hardly played then great. If we get back a fit centre forward then great.

Only possible bad thing that could come from this would be if he got injured again. People should stop over-reacting.

Also agreed. Two starts in seven games. Injured for three months and not scored a goal and it's nearly December. With Calvin Andrew back do we really need him ? Time for Sears, Moses, Andrew, Scannell , Smith, Lee and N'Diaye to bang in a few goals. If not then we could do a lot worse than try out Pinney, Wright,Dijalli and Cadogan who all know where the goal is.

Owngoal
27-11-2009, 12:07 AM
Warnock says that sears is on fire in training and Calvin Andrew sounds as if he is uo for it as well. It is disappointing but typical of NW and his signing of forwards.

Eagleder
27-11-2009, 12:10 AM
Why oh why do we like to make laughings stocks of ourselves? Where is the sense in signing a striker, admit we need strikers with quality then send him out on loan? What a joke! Now we are left with a forward line that could not hit a barn door.

Shipp Ahoy!
27-11-2009, 05:59 AM
It says on the Palace site that he's available to Ipswich untill the 29th December and our game against Ipswich is on the 26th December. It doesn't say anything about a clause preventing him from playing against us. Sounds to me that this might be in lieu of a final payment for Alan Lee ?

I think there is a rule about it in the league rules.

But Ipswich wouldn't play him, so close to coming back he'd just stick the ball in his own net :p

Sussex Eagle
27-11-2009, 06:09 AM
I think there is a rule about it in the league rules.
Nope, only in the Prem. Get your bets on for first scorer early.

biggus mickus
27-11-2009, 06:23 AM
Depends, he puts in a goad stint, gets 5/6 goals and then either comes back to us and into the team or ipswich put in a bid and we pocket the money.

If we're skint then loaning out a high earner who's not starting for a month and getting him off the wage bill isn't the worst business decision ever.


I agree.
Still cant believe people are slaggin the Chairman for money woes. :confused:
Maybe some think he should throw all his money into CPFC? That would be suicide for him.

Eagle Kneevil
27-11-2009, 06:33 AM
I agree.
Still cant believe people are slaggin the Chairman for money woes. :confused:
Maybe some think he should throw all his money into CPFC? That would be suicide for him.

I agree. It's like going to a casino - set youself a maximum amount that you wish to spend and stick with it. Don't dip into the kiddies' Xmas fund for one more shot at black. Jordan's not stupid to pump in money that would threaten his standard of living, nor should he.

Cleon
27-11-2009, 06:42 AM
Sounds to me that this might be in lieu of a final payment for Alan Lee ?

That was my first thought. Maybe they wanted Lee back again, but we pursued them to take John instead.

I'm not too fussed. If he goes and he does well, then he comes back to us a fitter & better player, or we sell him and make some much needed money. We have Andrew back to compete for the 'big man' role that Warnock favours, and by all accounts he has really impressed in the way he has responded to the injury and the hard work he is putting in during training. Sears & Moses (& Scannell) continue to compete for the 'small man' role.

telodaja
27-11-2009, 07:15 AM
.

Chobham Eagle
27-11-2009, 07:57 AM
I agree. It's like going to a casino - set youself a maximum amount that you wish to spend and stick with it. Don't dip into the kiddies' Xmas fund for one more shot at black. Jordan's not stupid to pump in money that would threaten his standard of living, nor should he.

Well that may be so but it still rather begs the question why he allowed John to be bought just a few months ago.

Neckinger Eagle
27-11-2009, 07:58 AM
This is so disappointing.

He may not have done anything for us this season, but it is difficult to make an impact from a hospital bed. The brief glimpses we have had suggest that he would be the player to turn us from a team that perpetually draws to a team that wins games, which would make all the difference to our league table position and our attractiveness to the occasional fan.

I thought it was odd that Wright and Pinney did not go on loan to Woking because we needed cover. Our reserves seldom play and when they do it is against a group of lesser teams. I've never heard of needing cover for a youth team. It suggests that this may have been brewing for a while.

Good to have Calvin Andrew back, but surely he needs more match practice than John given the length of their injury layoffs and the type of injuries.

Given the fact that others have gone on leave, that John has not been aversed to settling down all over the country and our money troubles I can only assume this down to our money woes. I got another 'jam today' letter from the Palace this week asking me to extend my season ticket.

I've been really looking forward to seeing him play more than 10 minutes, too, now its the same old same old.

Worrying times.

HolmesdaleNomad
27-11-2009, 08:12 AM
What an odd thing to do when the team are short of front men and struggling to score goals.

knackers
27-11-2009, 08:16 AM
Very sad indeed. Everyone wondering WTF is going on. Simple, WTF is going on is owner is bust and we get 14k every second week. We get 22k every week owner is breaking even and all is good. Get there and support this great "average" club of ours and we might see a change in fortune.

palacemaniac
27-11-2009, 08:36 AM
Te team are doing well at the mo, John isn't in the starting 11, where's the problem??? It's only a month.

SEEPEEEFFSEE
27-11-2009, 08:37 AM
Surely the only explanation for this is cost cutting? and although I realise this is transfer talk, obviously the bigger issue here is the club taking desperate measures to avoid administration....

Nelson Muntz
27-11-2009, 08:40 AM
http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?t=193611

Jordan's Jacket
27-11-2009, 08:50 AM
desperate actions of a desperate man...SJ must really be up the creek

Maidstoned Eagle
27-11-2009, 08:51 AM
Well that may be so but it still rather begs the question why he allowed John to be bought just a few months ago.
Signed on a free?

HARRY MONK
27-11-2009, 08:58 AM
crazy

Martian
27-11-2009, 08:58 AM
Its a only a months loan!

We have some cover at the moment. Its a good opportunity for Stern to get some fitness and game time whilst not paying his wages. If he does well for them and they make a bid then we get some cash that we could use to loan another striker for second half of the season, or we get him back fitter.

Whats the big deal?

Big Blue Eagle
27-11-2009, 08:58 AM
A one month loan makes a lot of sense. Warnock probably wanted two target men this season, and expected Lee to go leaving us with John & Andrew. With Lee still around and in the team, we have one too many. As others have said, with the dearth of reserve games, John will never get match sharp and we can't afford him to do that in live CCC games.

He goes to Ipswich for a month, gets game time, comes back and gets a shot at replacing Lee.

Also saves the club probably 30-40k in wages - I would guess he must be on at least 8k per week.

gjohnk
27-11-2009, 08:58 AM
We play 3 upfront.
Ambrose is a definate starter leaving NW two to pick from

- Lee
- Sears
- Moses
- John
- Scannel
- Andrews

Meaning 4 start on the bench and most weeks at least 2 dont get a single minute of football.
John and Andrews blantantly need first team football so I see nothing wrong in sending him out for a month, if he hits some form he comes back in time for the xmas period and hopefully starts scoring for us.
If he is useless for Ipswich then we are fortunate we didnt waste that time with him in our first team.

stevek
27-11-2009, 09:02 AM
We've suddenly put a lot of players out on short term loans. I assume this is to cut the wage bill before making some money in the January sales. :(

philsick
27-11-2009, 09:10 AM
Jordan's not stupid to pump in money that would threaten his standard of living, nor should he.

So you take on a responsibility,in which alot of people are employed and alot of other people invest their money,time and emotional sanity in following.Yet if it might start effecting your jetset lifestyle,you shirk those responsibilities,Yes?

Jordan's Jacket
27-11-2009, 09:12 AM
Its a only a months loan!

We have some cover at the moment. Its a good opportunity for Stern to get some fitness and game time whilst not paying his wages. If he does well for them and they make a bid then we get some cash that we could use to loan another striker for second half of the season, or we get him back fitter.

Whats the big deal?

If you believe that then you believe anything. He will be sold in Jan

Martian
27-11-2009, 09:14 AM
We've suddenly put a lot of players out on short term loans. I assume this is to cut the wage bill before making some money in the January sales. :(

Or that for the first time in years, we dont have a huge number of injuries and so are letting players go out on short term loans to get some game time.

Martian
27-11-2009, 09:15 AM
If you believe that then you believe anything. He will be sold in Jan

Wheres the problem in that?

Freebie in the summer, bit of much needed cash in January.

kolinkins
27-11-2009, 09:22 AM
I would much rather see him start than Lee - but Lee has done well of late. I think there is a bit of over reaction here to losing John (for 1 month), but not an over reaction in terms of what this signifies for us financially.

philsick
27-11-2009, 09:27 AM
Wheres the problem in that?

Freebie in the summer, bit of much needed cash in January.

And if it also meant holding onto one of the youngsters,it would be a bonus.But i think we're in a "everyones for sale" scenario.

Boyandy
27-11-2009, 09:29 AM
I'm not too worried about this. I think John's a decent player but I was told he was way off proper match fitness a few weeks ago. The fact that he hasn't really had much gametime since he's been available might back this up. If he gets fit at Ipswich's expense then thats fine by me. In the meantime we have Andrew chomping at the bit to get on, and I think his early return to fitness has helped the powers that be come to this decision.

Men At Work
27-11-2009, 09:37 AM
So you take on a responsibility,in which alot of people are employed and alot of other people invest their money,time and emotional sanity in following.Yet if it might start effecting your jetset lifestyle,you shirk those responsibilities,Yes?

Talk about having a victim mentality. I expect you'll try to sue me for mental anguish having had the temerity to criticise you.

When some of our youngsters go on loan it's a great move but when an older one does it's a sign of the end times? Stern John isn't fully match fit and he won't get that from coming off the bench. Being at Ipswich will do that because he'll probably start most games. If it helps us out financially as well as in football terms then it's a good move. If he starts scoring then journalists will also appreciate it as their post-match conferences will become a lot easier with Roy Keane.

NateEagle
27-11-2009, 09:38 AM
I am ok with this if it clears the final payment of the Lee fee, is only for a month, gets his fitness back while he isnt first choice here and he stays fit...but only if they sat him down and explained that it is simply a short term thing to save money and give him chance to get fitness back and that he still features in Warnocks plans. I like most other ppl like the look of him and think he can do us a job and dont want him to leave permanently. Would prefer him to start when fit over lee or sears as he appears to be a more natural poacher/striker.

elgin eagle
27-11-2009, 09:40 AM
I'm not too worried about this. I think John's a decent player but I was told he was way off proper match fitness a few weeks ago. The fact that he hasn't really had much gametime since he's been available might back this up. If he gets fit at Ipswich's expense then thats fine by me. In the meantime we have Andrew chomping at the bit to get on, and I think his early return to fitness has helped the powers that be come to this decision.

Good post. Yes we all know we are skint, but this seems like a sound decision which benefits all. The team has only 1 defeat in 11 games, we have a fit squad, and John needs match fitness which Palace can't give him atm because nw is rightly reluctant to change a winning format.

I'm far happier reading this than reading we've sold Moses for 800k or something. That would be cause for concern. This isn't.

Kevan Woz Awful
27-11-2009, 09:42 AM
Perhaps it's all a matter of perception. I received this text from a staunch Ipswich fan as soon as the deal was announced last night.
"So we finally signed our 20 goal a season striker the idiot Keane has been promising us - Stern John on a one month loan!
Brilliant - we get a Palace reserve who has not scored this season & who is not match fit. I Would rather have Lee back and you know how awful I thought he was when he joined your lot!"

As someone who was looking forward to seeing a fully fit Stern John in the team, like it or like it not, it does make perfect sense in our current situation.
We clear our debt to Ipswich and John gets match fit at someone elses expense.
Especially so when Ipswich find they've got 'Agent John' in the camp.

philsick
27-11-2009, 09:43 AM
Talk about having a victim mentality. I expect you'll try to sue me for mental anguish having had the temerity to criticise you.


The emotional sanity was tongue in cheek.I was commenting on the "he shouldn't let palace effect his standard of living",when he's had a hand in creating this problem himself.

Biggineagle
27-11-2009, 09:51 AM
I'm not too worried about this. I think John's a decent player but I was told he was way off proper match fitness a few weeks ago. The fact that he hasn't really had much gametime since he's been available might back this up. If he gets fit at Ipswich's expense then thats fine by me. In the meantime we have Andrew chomping at the bit to get on, and I think his early return to fitness has helped the powers that be come to this decision.

I dont buy this match fitness thing, do we not have a reserve side???

PALACEFAN
27-11-2009, 09:52 AM
Gutted. We must be in serious trouble.

Boyandy
27-11-2009, 09:55 AM
I dont buy this match fitness thing, do we not have a reserve side???

I don't think they play that often though.

Anyway, what I was told is from a pretty good source. And no, I'm not saying who.

Clapham Grand
27-11-2009, 09:57 AM
We've suddenly put a lot of players out on short term loans. I assume this is to cut the wage bill before making some money in the January sales. :(

is the correct answer

cockles
27-11-2009, 10:03 AM
Jesus, calm down and get some perspective people!
This thread is a good example of why Dominic Jordan is not reading BBS.

There are plenty of PROs to this for Palace.

The most probable reality is that Roy Keane (in his myopic ability only to sign players he knows) made an offer (loan fee) to get John on loan. He has much worse scoring problems than us remember.

IF Ipswich sign him in Jan, they will have to pay a decent fee. More likely however is that John and Calvin Andrew now get more pitch time, and come January Palace have more match fit striking options.

kabbott
27-11-2009, 10:03 AM
I dont buy this match fitness thing, do we not have a reserve side???

I think you get match fit by playing in matches. :rolleyes: (I'm not getting at you here, Biggineagle.)
Surely a ''getting match fit'' Stern John is better than a ''match fit" Lee.
I think NW should have been playing John for 60ish minutes and then subbing him, rather than playing Lee and bringing on John for 10 minutes. That's how John would have become match fit. But what am I to know?

Martian
27-11-2009, 10:08 AM
is the correct answer

Fine by me. I wouldnt mind selling any of the players we currently have out on loan.

cpfcfan1
27-11-2009, 10:22 AM
Crystal Palace manager Neil Warnock says he let Stern John join Ipswich on loan because the striker was desperate for games.

John was one of the three forwards who left the club on loan deadline day yesterday, with youngsters Nathaniel Pinney and Matthew Wright also joining Blue Square South side Woking.

Trinidad & Tobago international John missed two months after injuring his elbow on the opening day of the season and has yet to score for Palace in seven games.

Palace manager Warnock decided to give him the chance to get match fitness and admitted Calvin Andrew's return from injury and the form of Alan Lee also played a part in his decision.

"It was very last minute and I didn't know if it was going to go through," he said.

"He said he was desperate for games and as we have got Calvin back I thought it would be good for him.

"He will be back after 28 days so hopefully he will get some match practice.

"Alan has been doing ever so well as well so it was a number of things that made up our decision.

"We wanted to give Pinney and Wright the chance to get some games too."

John's loan ends on December 29 but it is unclear at the minute whether he will be eligible to play against the Eagles with Ipswich visit Selhurst Park on Boxing Day.

sydnsteve
27-11-2009, 10:23 AM
He is not exactly going to set the world on fire. But of course it is indicative of a problem if NW is saying we need a striker thaen loans out one we have. If Ipswich want him we will without doubt sell.
Since I've considered him over the hill for at least 2 years I can't say I am overly bothered.

ZOHAR
27-11-2009, 10:23 AM
Crystal Palace manager Neil Warnock says he let Stern John join Ipswich on loan because the striker was desperate for games.
John was one of the three forwards who left the club on loan deadline day yesterday, with youngsters Nathaniel Pinney and Matthew Wright also joining Blue Square South side Woking.
Trinidad & Tobago international John missed two months after injuring his elbow on the opening day of the season and has yet to score for Palace in seven games.
Palace manager Warnock decided to give him the chance to get match fitness and admitted Calvin Andrew's return from injury and the form of Alan Lee also played a part in his decision.
"It was very last minute and I didn't know if it was going to go through," he said.
"He said he was desperate for games and as we have got Calvin back I thought it would be good for him.
"He will be back after 28 days so hopefully he will get some match practice.
"Alan has been doing ever so well as well so it was a number of things that made up our decision.
"We wanted to give Pinney and Wright the chance to get some games too."
John's loan ends on December 29 but it is unclear at the minute whether he will be eligible to play against the Eagles with Ipswich visit Selhurst Park on Boxing Day.

Il Padrino
27-11-2009, 10:27 AM
Crystal Palace manager Neil Warnock says he let Stern John join Ipswich on loan because the striker was desperate for games.

John was one of the three forwards who left the club on loan deadline day yesterday, with youngsters Nathaniel Pinney and Matthew Wright also joining Blue Square South side Woking.

Trinidad & Tobago international John missed two months after injuring his elbow on the opening day of the season and has yet to score for Palace in seven games.

Palace manager Warnock decided to give him the chance to get match fitness and admitted Calvin Andrew's return from injury and the form of Alan Lee also played a part in his decision.

"It was very last minute and I didn't know if it was going to go through," he said.

"He said he was desperate for games and as we have got Calvin back I thought it would be good for him.

"He will be back after 28 days so hopefully he will get some match practice.

"Alan has been doing ever so well as well so it was a number of things that made up our decision.

"We wanted to give Pinney and Wright the chance to get some games too."

John's loan ends on December 29 but it is unclear at the minute whether he will be eligible to play against the Eagles with Ipswich visit Selhurst Park on Boxing Day.
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From Croydon Guardian site

Swanny32
27-11-2009, 11:04 AM
It's what I have come to expect from our poorly run and ambitionless club at the moment, would much rather they cancelled Sears loan, kept Stern John, loaned out Calvin Andrew and maybe bought someone else in who actually know where the back of the net is.

PalaceMonkey
27-11-2009, 11:05 AM
I don't think either club can cancel a season's loan without penalty

Scroatey
27-11-2009, 11:12 AM
When I first saw the headline I thought what the ****, but seeing as it's for a month, and hopefully he will play, get fit, and start scoring (although not enough to rescue Ipswich) I think this could be a really good move.

It's slightly badly timed for me as I've just been e-mailing a band in Trinidad & Tobago who've sent me some tunes for the radio, and they're mad about Stern John and Palace :D :(

Absolution
27-11-2009, 11:26 AM
As he is only on a year deal, I'm sure in a way Warnock is more interested in Calvin Andrew's development over this next month as he is back from a bad injury.

Worst way, if he scores a couple of goals for Ipswich we get a player in a bit of form.. or maybe they will be silly enough to buy a player in January with 6 months left on his contract!

Absolution
27-11-2009, 11:28 AM
It's what I have come to expect from our poorly run and ambitionless club at the moment, would much rather they cancelled Sears loan, kept Stern John, loaned out Calvin Andrew and maybe bought someone else in who actually know where the back of the net is.Calvin Andrew will need to be carefully managed, so he probably wont play 90min in a match. Team's will want someone fully fit, and I would rather some League One team didn't mess it up after he has worked so hard on getting through the injury.

Andy in Rome
27-11-2009, 11:36 AM
Palace manager Warnock decided to give him the chance to get match fitness and admitted Calvin Andrew's return from injury and the form of Alan Lee also played a part in his decision.


Hmm...

Now while I don't believe for one minute that Lee is the donkey that some posters maintain he is, I'm struggling to understand how his current goal per game - or assists per game - record warrants us sending John (who has looked lively every time I've seen him play) out on a month's loan.

Maybe Calvin is going to be the answer to our goal drought and will be the perfect foil to (or replacement for) Lee: but right now this really dosen't strike me as a bright tactical move...

Jordan's Jacket
27-11-2009, 11:41 AM
Warnock speaks with a forked tongue

917L
27-11-2009, 11:45 AM
It's what I have come to expect from our poorly run and ambitionless club at the moment, would much rather they cancelled Sears loan, kept Stern John, loaned out Calvin Andrew and maybe bought someone else in who actually know where the back of the net is.

We cant cancel sears loan, unless wham agree to it

And as for bringing someone else in......

dannyboy1807
27-11-2009, 11:45 AM
I think you have all missed he is elgible to play against us on boxing day

selhursthoover
27-11-2009, 11:54 AM
John's loan ends on December 29 but it is unclear at the minute whether he will be eligible to play against the Eagles with Ipswich visit Selhurst Park on Boxing Day.

I would be amazed if we have allowed him to pay against us BUT if not: cue the winner from...........

Swanny32
27-11-2009, 11:55 AM
Has it been confirmed that he will be able to play against us?

ANDYEAGLE
27-11-2009, 12:04 PM
If NW has no plans to start John it makes sense. The guy cannot be anywhere near match fit and it will probably save the club 30k in wages.
If he does well he comes back to Palace fit or Ipswich pay a fee and sign him.

Can't really arque under the circumstances as Lee has been doing well and the team is on a good run. If Lee or Andrew get injured of course he will be recalled.

PALACEWU
27-11-2009, 12:07 PM
John's loan ends on December 29 but it is unclear at the minute whether he will be eligible to play against the Eagles with Ipswich visit Selhurst Park on Boxing Day.

I would be amazed if we have allowed him to pay against us BUT if not: cue the winner from...........

:sob:

kabbott
27-11-2009, 12:14 PM
If NW has no plans to start John it makes sense. The guy cannot be anywhere near match fit and it will probably save the club 30k in wages.
If he does well he comes back to Palace fit or Ipswich pay a fee and sign him.

Can't really arque under the circumstances as Lee has been doing well and the team is on a good run. If Lee or Andrew get injured of course he will be recalled.

Lee doing well?
How many goals? How many assists? (The same can also be said for Sears.)
The good run too. I think it's W4 D6 L1. I'd rather we'd won three of our draws and lost the other three. That would be W7 D0 L4 which would be 21 points instead of the 18 we actually got. Drawing games 1:1 with a goal from Ambrose will see us going down the table rather than up.
But let's not be too negative. Lee and Sears will probably both score this weekend and prove me wrong.

Skin Up
27-11-2009, 12:19 PM
John's loan ends on December 29 but it is unclear at the minute whether he will be eligible to play against the Eagles with Ipswich visit Selhurst Park on Boxing Day.

I would be amazed if we have allowed him to pay against us BUT if not: cue the winner from...........

It's against the rules I think.

I'd imagine that's more down to Ipswich crying foul if he'd happen to have a bad game rather than any fear of him scoring.

Even if it wasn't against the rules, it would be one hell of a shit manager that would play someone and ask him to take points from his employers....hang on Keane...well thankyou for the rules then.

Harry Holmesdale
27-11-2009, 12:24 PM
I give up second guessing the management

Alan Lee was loaned out last season cos he was deemed as sh!t, we signed John, he gets injured one game in, gets fit but doesn't get much of a look in and is now loaned out to Ipswich leaving us potentially short up front

Is the only option a big lump (Lee) pacy willing non goalscoring non Palace player (Sears) and pray for Ambrose to keep up his run?

Jimbo number 5
27-11-2009, 12:26 PM
Warnock says there that the loan is only for 28 days, therefore his loan will end before boxing day

limited_edition
27-11-2009, 12:31 PM
Hmm...

Now while I don't believe for one minute that Lee is the donkey that some posters maintain he is, I'm struggling to understand how his current goal per game - or assists per game - record warrants us sending John (who has looked lively every time I've seen him play) out on a month's loan.

Maybe Calvin is going to be the answer to our goal drought and will be the perfect foil to (or replacement for) Lee: but right now this really dosen't strike me as a bright tactical move...Agreed. But I don't think it's tactical. It's mostly about saving dosh.

You're dead right about Lee. I can live with a non scoring striker if his play creates space or opportunities for others, like say Heskey. But apart from his cross for Ambrose's goal v Boro, Lee very seldom does that.

It's a big ask for someone recently back from injury and relatively inexperienced at this level in Calvin to be the answer to our goal drought. But I like his attributes of aerial ability allied with pace.

Kaberle15
27-11-2009, 12:35 PM
So he moans all season about not having enough strikers and trying to get more in on loan, and then loans 2 out on the same day, with none coming the other way. Right.

I'm sure the guy needs some playing time to get back to full fitness, but going into the busy christmas period with just Lee and Andrew has me nervous. This one will come back to us.

David
27-11-2009, 12:39 PM
A clear sign we should all be concerned about the future.

If, has been hinted by a respected poster on this thread, we sell in January than I cannot see any way this club can avoid relegation. Julian is already saving us time and time again and Ambrose is scoring the goals. If we lose these two then I can see no hope for us.

Is it likely these two will leave in January?

What about Derry's contract?

David
27-11-2009, 12:42 PM
What does Warnock see from Alan Lee that warrants a statement "Alan has been doing ever so well....."!

He's worse than Lee Bradbury.

limited_edition
27-11-2009, 12:44 PM
What does Warnock see from Alan Lee that warrants a statement "Alan has been doing ever so well....."!

He's worse than Lee Bradbury.It's almost as crazy as the Scowcroft statement, "when he plays, we play".

At least Bradbury was a good foil for Matt Jansen for a while.

David
27-11-2009, 12:52 PM
It's almost as crazy as the Scowcroft statement, "when he plays, we play".

At least Bradbury was a good foil for Matt Jansen for a while.


Exactly. Still, I guess Warnock is the best we could hope for.:hmph:

Chris Leitch
27-11-2009, 01:00 PM
Lee doing well?
How many goals? How many assists? (The same can also be said for Sears.)
The good run too. I think it's W4 D6 L1. I'd rather we'd won three of our draws and lost the other three. That would be W7 D0 L4 which would be 21 points instead of the 18 we actually got. Drawing games 1:1 with a goal from Ambrose will see us going down the table rather than up.
But let's not bo too negative. Lee and Sears will probably both score this weekend and prove me wrong.

You should be glad we got draws and didn't lose. Im sure everyone would rather we won all of our games - but we are lucky not to be in a relegation scrap so lets just be grateful of that.

Its alot easier said than done.

Clapham Grand
27-11-2009, 01:18 PM
Assuming the following in rank of strikers (and you can argue this):

1.Lee
2. Sears
3. John
4. Andrew
5. Scannell
6. Pinney
7. Wright

What team in their right mind would loan out 6, 7, and 3 especially when 5 is facing a fitness test this weekend. I know we could Moses in as well, but this loan leaves us short. it can only be about money. Clearly we are now on the edge financially and unless we get taken over soon, we will be selling players for pittance come Jan 1

Sussex Eagle
27-11-2009, 01:33 PM
It's against the rules I think.

I'd imagine that's more down to Ipswich crying foul if he'd happen to have a bad game rather than any fear of him scoring.

Even if it wasn't against the rules, it would be one hell of a shit manager that would play someone and ask him to take points from his employers....hang on Keane...well thankyou for the rules then.
No, as previously stated, only a premier league rule. We'd have to have inserted a clause.

For instance, a month or two back Marcel Seip scored on his debut for Blackpool against the Plymouth side he'd joined them on loan from a couple of days earlier.

Sussex Eagle
27-11-2009, 01:38 PM
Clearly we are now on the edge financially and unless we get taken over soon, we will be selling players for pittance come Jan 1
Or maybe the offer was just too good a deal to turn down, thanks to Ipswich's desperation. I certainly wouldn't put it past them to spend the kind of money on a loan that we can't afford to buy a player permanently for.

I appreciate there is always some reason for concern, but when did the club last sell anybody of value for a pittance unless they were short of contract? A fire sale gets predicted every window but it ain't happened yet. Chill out CG.

Il Padrino
27-11-2009, 01:44 PM
It's almost as crazy as the Scowcroft statement, "when he plays, we play"..


It was said once, probably to gee him up after a good game.

The following season NW hardly ever picked him when he was fit, tried to send him out on loan for the rest of the season and then decided against offering him a new contract - hardly the actions of a staunch Scowcrofterist re they?

917L
27-11-2009, 01:51 PM
Or maybe the offer was just too good a deal to turn down, thanks to Ipswich's desperation. I certainly wouldn't put it past them to spend the kind of money on a loan that we can't afford to buy a player permanently for.

I appreciate there is always some reason for concern, but when did the club last sell anybody of value for a pittance unless they were short of contract? A fire sale gets predicted every window but it ain't happened yet. Chill out CG.

I suspect its got a lot to do with the monies we owe Ipswich for Lee

kabbott
27-11-2009, 01:56 PM
You should be glad we got draws and didn't lose. Im sure everyone would rather we won all of our games - but we are lucky not to be in a relegation scrap so lets just be grateful of that.

Its alot easier said than done.

Fair enough. One point is of course better than nothing at all. What I was trying to say is that unbeaten runs with mainly draws are not as positive as they used to be when it was 2 points for a victory.

rbarmy
27-11-2009, 02:00 PM
I suspect its got a lot to do with the monies we owe Ipswich for Lee
My thoughts exactly

Sussex Eagle
27-11-2009, 03:10 PM
Given how that could well be a six figure sum being written off, it'd be a decent deal in my book.

PalaceMonkey
27-11-2009, 03:12 PM
Fair enough. One point is of course better than nothing at all. What I was trying to say is that unbeaten runs with mainly draws are not as positive as they used to be when it was 2 points for a victory.

yeah, but it must be good for confidence of the team to be unbeaten

kolinkins
27-11-2009, 03:28 PM
yeah, but it must be good for confidence of the team to be unbeaten

It is

Some on the BBS don't even wish to give the team/manager credit when we are hard to beat

kabbott
27-11-2009, 03:29 PM
yeah, but it must be good for confidence of the team to be unbeaten

Oh dear, I'm not making a lot of friends on here today, am I?
Of course it's good for confidence knowing that when you go out onto the pitch that you haven't lost for so many games, but from a purely mathematical point of view (and admittedly an exaggerated one), you can be unbeaten at the end of the season and still be flirting with relegation if the majority of your games end in draws.
A negative person would ask what would happen if Ambrose stopped scoring for us.
A positive one would say sooner or later Lee, Sears, Moses and (when he is fit) Scannell will score for us, and one day we'll score a shed-load.
Believe me, I am the first to hope that we score loads thus turning our draws into wins.

CP Satellite
27-11-2009, 03:34 PM
This loan must be something to do with Alan Lee's outstanding transfer fee owed by Palace to Ipswich, or it makes no other sense.

Who can guess what the economics of it are? Perhaps Palace now owe Ipswich interest on the Lee fee and are taking John for a month in lieu of payment? Will Palace still be paying John's wages into the bargain?

All we can really hope for is that Calvin Andrew steps up to the plate and makes the loss of John not such a stern one.

saul1664
27-11-2009, 03:36 PM
I'd see our draws as positive, look at the teams we have played, cardiff away qpr away, win at west brom, draw at home to forest, these are all games we could have lost, in fact the only team we have lost to in the top 6 is newcastle, if we played them now, I wouldn't fear them.

917L
27-11-2009, 03:40 PM
NW now confirmed that he will not play against us for Ipswich on Boxing day

NateEagle
27-11-2009, 03:42 PM
I'd see our draws as positive, look at the teams we have played, cardiff away qpr away, win at west brom, draw at home to forest, these are all games we could have lost, in fact the only team we have lost to in the top 6 is newcastle, if we played them now, I wouldn't fear them.

...is the right answer. :p

We just gotta make sure we do the business against the so-called lesser teams such as Coventry...oh wait

pumaspalace
27-11-2009, 03:56 PM
Nice 1 Warnock :rolleyes: - John's 10 times better than Lee!

NRM the 2nd
27-11-2009, 04:12 PM
As stumpy said to me and Barney Gumble earlier, this more than likely has something to do with the money we owed for Lee, maybe a way of clearing that debt

Il Padrino
27-11-2009, 04:37 PM
From official Ipwich site:

Stern John is relishing the challenge of playing games for Town and scoring goals after arriving on loan from Crystal Palace.

The Trinidad and Tobago international trained with Blues for the first time this morning and will be in the squad for Sunday's game at Cardiff.

"I'm delighted to be here and it's a great opportunity for me to play some games and hopefully score some goals," Stern told Ipswich Player.

"I have worked with the manager in my time at Sunderland and I know what he's about, what he wants from his players. I have also played with Carlos Edwards and Grant Leadbitter and it always helps when you move to a new club and know some of the players.

"From what I have seen of Ipswich, the team is playing well but it's just in front of goal where things have not gone quite right. Hopefully I can come in and get in the box, get some chances and score goals."

Stern is on loan at Town until the end of December but won't be available to feature against Palace on Boxing Day.

He is set to return to Selhurst Park after Town's home match against QPR on December 28 but hasn't ruled out a stay beyond the month if that becomes possible.

"Anyone that comes to this Club is going to want to stay," he adds. "The facilities are fantastic and I'm looking forward to my month here.

"The players have made me feel very welcome and we will see how things work out over the next month. For now all I'm thinking about is Sunday and helping Ipswich beat Cardiff."

Brett
27-11-2009, 04:41 PM
I think we need that clown outfit from Charlton.

kabbott
27-11-2009, 04:47 PM
[QUOTE=Il Padrino]From official Ipwich site:

He is set to return to Selhurst Park after Town's home match against QPR on December 28 but hasn't ruled out a stay beyond the month if that becomes possible.

"Anyone that comes to this Club is going to want to stay," he adds. "The facilities are fantastic and I'm looking forward to my month here.
QUOTE]

Not very complimentary towards us there. :(

Louis
27-11-2009, 04:49 PM
From official Ipwich site:

He is set to return to Selhurst Park after Town's home match against QPR on December 28 but hasn't ruled out a stay beyond the month if that becomes possible.

"Anyone that comes to this Club is going to want to stay," he adds. "The facilities are fantastic and I'm looking forward to my month here.


Not very complimentary towards us there. :(
He didn't mention Palace, just sensibly praised Ipswich.

kabbott
27-11-2009, 04:52 PM
He didn't mention Palace, just sensibly praised Ipswich.

True. Too much reading between the lines maybe.

Celestial Empire
27-11-2009, 04:59 PM
So he moans all season about not having enough strikers and trying to get more in on loan, and then loans 2 out on the same day, with none coming the other way. Right.

I'm sure the guy needs some playing time to get back to full fitness, but going into the busy christmas period with just Lee and Andrew has me nervous. This one will come back to us.

Look on the bright side, this may be the only way we ever get to see Moses playing up front.:)
Imagine how Moses must feel seeing Welbeck (his contemporary and probably a lesser player) turning out on a fairly regular basis for ManU.:(

Celestial Empire
27-11-2009, 05:04 PM
[QUOTE=Il Padrino]From official Ipwich site:

He is set to return to Selhurst Park after Town's home match against QPR on December 28 but hasn't ruled out a stay beyond the month if that becomes possible.

"Anyone that comes to this Club is going to want to stay," he adds. "The facilities are fantastic and I'm looking forward to my month here.
QUOTE]

Not very complimentary towards us there. :(

Sounds like Lee-at-Norwich MkII. Can't really blame the guy, despite NW and his staff's valiant efforts, SJ is just running the club into the ground.

thereichstuff
27-11-2009, 06:00 PM
As stumpy said to me and Barney Gumble earlier, this more than likely has something to do with the money we owed for Lee, maybe a way of clearing that debt Spot on neil , it always makes me laugh that people need a slight excuse to dig warnock it never fails :) I reckon neil had no choice in the matter. We need to save cash its not about lacking ambition or anything else . People need to realise that in this situation we would be ****ed without neil running things !

jhc
27-11-2009, 06:09 PM
People need to realise that in this situation we would be ****ed without Neil running things !

I don't think anybody should underestimate his presence at the club, in our current plight.

ANDYEAGLE
27-11-2009, 07:25 PM
Look on the bright side, this may be the only way we ever get to see Moses playing up front.:)
Imagine how Moses must feel seeing Welbeck (his contemporary and probably a lesser player) turning out on a fairly regular basis for ManU.:(

I am sure Victor will start tom. :p

saul1664
27-11-2009, 08:40 PM
If the club wants money, they need to sign a quality striker and we will more than likely get promoted equalling increased attendances and more cash.

Shipp Ahoy!
27-11-2009, 10:33 PM
I can't believe people seriously thought John would play against us days before he came back :D

I know Keane is a muppet but seriously even he can't be that delusional to think John wouldn't smash the ball into his own net at the first opportunity in that situation!

dazaki
27-11-2009, 10:55 PM
Nice 1 Warnock :rolleyes: - John's 10 times better than Lee!

That might be so but if we loan John out three things can happen:
1. He gets injured, there's the same chance of that happening if he is playing for Palace or Ipswich
2. He hits prime form and Ipswich give as a couple of hundred thousand for him, not a bad turnaround over 1/2 a season from a free transfer!
3. He gets fit and bangs them in after Xmas...

Couple that with the fact that it probably has a lot to do with the money owed and it seems to me to be a good deal, it's not as if not having him in the team is going to make much of a difference from the last few months when he hasn't been in the team...

Ashleyno1son
27-11-2009, 11:20 PM
Good move IMHO

Clears are debt owed for the Lee transfer. Coincides with Andrew returning to fitness in the 1st team & still leaves us Moses, Scannell, Sears & Lee (plus Ambose)

Not concerned at all - Purely a financial decision

Celestial Empire
27-11-2009, 11:42 PM
Clears are debt owed for the Lee transfer.

Source ?

Stavros 69
27-11-2009, 11:54 PM
How does stern speak with his mouth full of cock. wootini

Shipp Ahoy!
28-11-2009, 12:05 AM
Good move IMHO

Clears are debt owed for the Lee transfer. Coincides with Andrew returning to fitness in the 1st team & still leaves us Moses, Scannell, Sears & Lee (plus Ambose)

Not concerned at all - Purely a financial decision

Good work Yoda :D

AJ
28-11-2009, 01:15 AM
Source ?

I am still wondering where this story came from, all I have seen is pure speculation(I wish it were true mind you), it is quite possible that John is not the player that Palace expected when signed for whatever reasons.

Sussex Eagle
28-11-2009, 02:17 AM
I can't believe people seriously thought John would play against us days before he came back :D

I know Keane is a muppet but seriously even he can't be that delusional to think John wouldn't smash the ball into his own net at the first opportunity in that situation!
You honestly believe that, don't you?

dannyturner
28-11-2009, 07:36 AM
Master strokes from Warnock. He sends Dijali and John out on loan. There is every possibility that come January they will be firing on all cylinders when they return, and this is the closest we will get to two major signings in the transfer window.

Chobham Eagle
28-11-2009, 09:31 AM
Nice 1 Warnock :rolleyes: - John's 10 times better than Lee!

You really ought to know all the facts (which none of us do) before you criticise Neil Warnock in this way. I'd be pretty surprised if this was a decision he made voluntarily. As many have said, this is probably the financial situation talking, not the manager.

jhc
28-11-2009, 10:46 AM
Clears are debt owed for the Lee transfer.

This is a case of putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5.
The two deals are unconnected.
One deal is not 'clearing' the other.
Just because others have said the same as you, doesn't make it a fact I'm afraid.

The Gerry Queen
28-11-2009, 11:31 AM
Master strokes from Warnock. He sends Dijali and John out on loan. There is every possibility that come January they will be firing on all cylinders when they return, and this is the closest we will get to two major signings in the transfer window.

Add Cadogan, Pinney and Wright to that and we could see an upturn in our goals for tally in the Spring :)

pete eagle
28-11-2009, 05:11 PM
I didn't realise this was the massive overreaction thread to everything that goes on. When our young players don't play, people criticise and say why don't we send them out on loan to get some playing experience and when players like John sit on the bench they criticise and say that they are sitting on the bench taking up places and money.

So when the club does a sensible thing and sends them out on loan, people go bananas and say that we are in massive trouble.

We are a business as well as a club and the most important thing in a business is a cash flow and therefore if we save money on paying wages then all the better, it's just good business, not necessarily the end of the world. From a footballing side of things as people have pointed out it is also a good thing, if John does well then we get back a better player and fitter player, if he doesn't then we've saved a month's wages and not really lost anything.

Clapham Grand
28-11-2009, 06:03 PM
We tried to make money for it - asked Ipswich for double his wages :)

They said no :(

ANDYEAGLE
28-11-2009, 06:09 PM
Lee doing well?
How many goals? How many assists? (The same can also be said for Sears.)
The good run too. I think it's W4 D6 L1. I'd rather we'd won three of our draws and lost the other three. That would be W7 D0 L4 which would be 21 points instead of the 18 we actually got. Drawing games 1:1 with a goal from Ambrose will see us going down the table rather than up.
But let's not be too negative. Lee and Sears will probably both score this weekend and prove me wrong.


W 5 D 6 L 1. Maybe you will be a bit happier now? doubt it.
Yes another good performance by Lee as well. That Neil Warnock is a complete idiot as well:)

kabbott
28-11-2009, 06:35 PM
W 5 D 6 L 1. Maybe you will be a bit happier now? doubt it.
Yes another good performance by Lee as well. That Neil Warnock is a complete idiot as well:)

I don't mind eating a bit of humble pie from time to time. :p
I did actually predict a goalfest on the match thread. (6:1 with goals from Lee, VicMo and Ambrose amongst others). So I was a bit upset we didn't go all the way. :rolleyes:
If this good performance is partly down to a shift to a 4-4-2 with VicMo playing off Lee, let's hope NW sticks with it. I also believe that playing with two defensive midfielders (Derry and Ertl) is paradoxically not a negative tactic.

ANDYEAGLE
28-11-2009, 07:56 PM
I don't mind eating a bit of humble pie from time to time. :p
I did actually predict a goalfest on the match thread. (6:1 with goals from Lee, VicMo and Ambrose amongst others). So I was a bit upset we didn't go all the way. :rolleyes:
If this good performance is partly down to a shift to a 4-4-2 with VicMo playing off Lee, let's hope NW sticks with it. I also believe that playing with two defensive midfielders (Derry and Ertl) is paradoxically not a negative tactic.

Good on you.:p Yes the Ertl and Derry combo works well.

glaziers fan
29-11-2009, 01:06 AM
So he moans all season about not having enough strikers and trying to get more in on loan, and then loans 2 out on the same day, with none coming the other way. Right..

All the morons who listen to Neil Warnock moan on about a lack of striking options/quality and then think we have a small squad only have to look at the facts:

1) I've lost count of the number of attacking players loaned out including John
2) Our best striker (Moses) has not been able to get a place in the team in his best position this season, until now, because there were so many other strikers competing for places. Sean Scannell hasn't had a proper opportunity either.

Our squad was MASSIVE. It's a little smaller now, but it's still very manageable. Let's take striking options as an example:

Sears (a good player who unlike Moses needs service)
Moses (finally gets a chance upfront and excels)
Scannell (searing pace, not given enough of a chance. Always does well for Eire)
Lee (a great CCC targetman IF he gets required service)
Andrew (ok, back from injury, but should be given starts soon)

Considering we often only play one striker, it doesn't look like we're lacking in this department at all. In conclusion, it was absolutely the right thing to let Stern John go out on loan. We don't need him at all imho. Lee deserves his spot and Andrew should be the next one in if we want a more mobile targetman.

We've been underachieving. It's Warnock's spin on things that makes you think we're doing well with what we've got. I'm a big fan of Neil's and it's probably intentional kidology, but we have enough quality to make the play-offs with ease despite our poor start to the season.

Santos-er
29-11-2009, 01:24 AM
We tried to make money for it - asked Ipswich for double his wages :)

They said no :(

Do you know if any of our loan-outs have been for a fee, or is it only Premiership teams that charge many thousands to loan a player they stole from another club's academy?

RDSdaEAGLE
29-11-2009, 01:32 AM
I'm still a ******* dickhead...

EFA.

Aaroncpfc
29-11-2009, 04:39 AM
I can't believe some people are criticising Warnock's tactics and decisions in this thread.

We are just two, just ******* two points off the playoffs and we have **** all money to spend. At the start of the season when the transfer embargo was placed on the club I would have been delighted to be in this posistion at this point of the season.

glaziers fan
29-11-2009, 11:26 AM
When I can't bring anything to the argument, I prefer to personally attack people who disagree with me

EFA

jimos_uk
29-11-2009, 12:06 PM
Did we win 3-0 yesterday?

Just asking.

The Gerry Queen
29-11-2009, 07:58 PM
Stern John played 90 minutes, got booked but seemed to play a part in turning the game around for Ipswich. Good result for them and nice to see Cardiff struggle. If Ippo's form turns around more like this then expect a bid for Stern John in January. If we got 300k then it could be good business for us in the current cash flow plight , especially with the team finally scoring more freely without John's assistance.

sw16girl
29-11-2009, 08:15 PM
Stern John played 90 minutes, got booked but seemed to play a part in turning the game around for Ipswich. Good result for them and nice to see Cardiff struggle. If Ippo's form turns around more like this then expect a bid for Stern John in January. If we got 300k then it could be good business for us in the current cash flow plight , especially with the team finally scoring more freely without John's assistance.

Are even Ipswich gong to be stupid enough to bid 300k for a player with less than six months on his contract?

Owngoal
29-11-2009, 08:16 PM
If they let us off what we owed it would help

limited_edition
29-11-2009, 08:46 PM
Stern John played 90 minutes, got booked but seemed to play a part in turning the game around for Ipswich. Good result for them and nice to see Cardiff struggle. If Ippo's form turns around more like this then expect a bid for Stern John in January. If we got 300k then it could be good business for us in the current cash flow plight , especially with the team finally scoring more freely without John's assistance.90 mins is great for his match fitness. Doubt they'd take him permanently, but this is Keano. He doesn't half like to waste his chairman's dosh. Great win for Ipswich. As much as I despise Keano, I bloody hate Cardiff.

One swallow does not a summer make & all that. So I'd see how we go with the goalscoring in the next few weeks, and indeed how Stern's fitness goes, before making any decisions about getting rid.

The Gerry Queen
29-11-2009, 09:16 PM
Are even Ipswich gong to be stupid enough to bid 300k for a player with less than six months on his contract?


It's Roy Keane.... special rules apply when he wants to reunite his Crazy Gang wherever he is and if John is seen as a catylist for their recovery then he'll pay something along the lines of whatever it takes I think. Anybody else wouldn't cough a bean probably.

Owngoal
30-11-2009, 12:17 AM
Keano obviously likes John.......

Roy - John Is Missing Man
Gaffer Roy Keane believes new signing Stern John will provide Ipswich with an extra option up front in his month's loan from Crystal Palace.

Keano is understandably unhappy with his side's failure to find the net on a regular basis this season, which prompted him to dip into the loan market to sign a forward. He told the club site: 'We have scored 17 goals in 17 games so far and that's not good enough.

'I had Stern with me at Sunderland and he did a good job for me there. He has always scored goals and hopefully he can make an impact while he is with us here. Hopefully Stern coming in will help the other strikers as well as provide another attacking option for us.

'I know what I will get from him. He won't run behind defenders but if you give him the ball it will stick. We have also been getting a lot of crosses in and he'll attack them, get his head on the end of things. I'll guarantee you that.

'He'll be a good character in the dressing room, has got a lot of experience and provides something we haven't got.'

ANDYEAGLE
30-11-2009, 12:27 AM
Lets hope he returns in a month fit and with a few goals under his belt.
As the season goes on we will need him. If Lee is injured we have nil experience up front and you can't rely totaly on our youngsters.

BringBackSasa
30-11-2009, 12:34 AM
Tell Keane we want 7 million for him, he'll probably offer 6m.

ANDYEAGLE
30-11-2009, 12:50 AM
Tell Keane we want 7 million for him, he'll probably offer 6m.

The way things are going they will just take over his contract:sob:

Woodside_CP
30-11-2009, 07:37 PM
90 mins is great for his match fitness. Doubt they'd take him permanently, but this is Keano. He doesn't half like to waste his chairman's dosh. Great win for Ipswich. As much as I despise Keano, I bloody hate Cardiff. .

"Keano"? Do you also refer to his french twat mate as "King Eric"? :eek:

jobiinthelastmi
30-11-2009, 09:36 PM
The way things are going they will just take over his contract:sob:

Agreed, I can't see him coming back if he does well there :(

Chobham Eagle
30-11-2009, 11:13 PM
"Keano"? Do you also refer to his french twat mate as "King Eric"? :eek:

I'm glad I wasn't the only one irritated by the "Keano" reference. :p

limited_edition
01-12-2009, 12:43 AM
"Keano"? Do you also refer to his french twat mate as "King Eric"? :eek:I use the technical term C*ntona. Apologies. I'll use K*nto next time I talk about that bellend.

LeeH
03-12-2009, 01:01 PM
Nice one Stern :rolleyes:

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1794_5742975,00.html

oh well, probably a few more quid in the bank come January



John keen on permanent Town stay

Stern John has admitted that he would jump at the chance to turn his loan move from Crystal Palace to Ipswich into a permanent switch.

John made his debut for Roy Keane's side in the 2-1 win at Cardiff last weekend after signing on an initial deal until the end of the year - but is keen to leave Selhurst Park if possible.

He told the Ipswich Evening Star: "The chance to come to Ipswich was out of the blue but it didn't take me long to decide to come here.

"I have to take one step at a time, and see what happens in January, but for sure I'd like to stay longer.

"My contract at Crystal Palace ends next summer, though with a possible one-year extension depending on appearances. But I'm a million miles away from that.

"The club has financial problems, and it's in a tricky situation."

The Gerry Queen
03-12-2009, 01:02 PM
There's nothing like loyalty is there

kolinkins
03-12-2009, 01:02 PM
What's he said wrong or out of line?

Vince Hilaire's Afro
03-12-2009, 01:24 PM
We only offered him a year long contract. If he can get better at Ipswich, I don't think you can complain about a lack of loyalty.

ANDYEAGLE
03-12-2009, 01:31 PM
We only offered him a year long contract. If he can get better at Ipswich, I don't think you can complain about a lack of loyalty.

No. But I think he could be a bit more diplomatic and keep his gob shut under the circumstances.

Whyteleafe_Sage
03-12-2009, 01:46 PM
I'm not sure we even need him, with Lee doing so well and Andrew coming back. Last resort would be a recall for someone like Simon Thomas or playing Moses and Sears together.

If we can simply save on the wages by letting him go then I say do it.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
03-12-2009, 01:46 PM
Depends what he's been told, I guess. Warnock might have asked him to press for a move, or indicatedthat there's not likely to be much future here.

Owngoal
03-12-2009, 02:16 PM
Year long contract with further year based on appearances which he might not make. He is a 'journeyman' and has no real loyalty, yet many on these boards lambast Lee who is doing a good job now. If only we could afford a swap deal for someone like Owen Garvan from Ipswich who Keane has already fallen out with.

ugly and fat
05-12-2009, 11:02 AM
have we payed them for Lee yet?

if not they can have him and they can swing for what we owe them?

considering he was a freebie,that would be a good deal,getting his money off the wage bill....

Cuddles
05-12-2009, 11:32 AM
^^^ Those are my thoughts too and we won't really miss what we haven't had if he goes.

Psychokiller
05-12-2009, 12:11 PM
Thing is, Keane will be sacked or will bottle it at Christmas and they'll send him back once the loan finishes.

Diehard
05-12-2009, 12:32 PM
Why should he be loyal? Played about as often as Bostock!!!
Take the cash if offered.

IpswichEagle
21-12-2009, 01:32 PM
Just an update...

Some murmerings from Roy Keane (in the local press here in Ipswich) that Ipswich will definitely look to extend the John loan when it comes to an end in January.

If Alan Lee was is one of the Non-Core players that have been marked up for a transfer in January themselves, then i doubt Palace would let this happen.

Out of interest, would you you rather keep John or Lee (taking into consideration ability, contract and potential re-sale value)???

gold76
21-12-2009, 01:36 PM
Lee currently, has shown commitment & work rate
I like John as a player though, shame he got injured first game

Gark Moldberg
22-12-2009, 09:49 AM
Just an update...

Some murmerings from Roy Keane (in the local press here in Ipswich) that Ipswich will definitely look to extend the John loan when it comes to an end in January.

If Alan Lee was is one of the Non-Core players that have been marked up for a transfer in January themselves, then i doubt Palace would let this happen.

Out of interest, would you you rather keep John or Lee (taking into consideration ability, contract and potential re-sale value)???

John signed for one month on the 26th Nov. He will be available for Palace on Boxing day. I don't suppose he will be with the squad though.

Big Blue Eagle
22-12-2009, 09:59 AM
He has played 3 games as a starter - subbed after an hour in the 2nd & 3rd, and was an unused sub in the other game (3-1 win over Blackpool on the 12th) - no goals. Hardly setting the world alight

IpswichEagle
22-12-2009, 10:06 AM
I think Keane thinks he's played ok though.

He was quoted by the 'Evening Star' this weekend as saying he would look to extend John's deal and the fans i work with seem to like him as well.

I think it's a tough call between him and Lee. I like Lee a lot more than i did, but i'm still not convinced. And i'm certainly not convinced by Andrew atm.

Stavros 69
22-12-2009, 10:15 AM
John is a better player
Lee is just better at the moment.

If John hadnt got injured then we wouldnt be talking about Lee, he would be out of here in Jan.

Simple twist and everything has changed.

sydnsteve
22-12-2009, 10:59 AM
Nonsense, Lee is a far better player than John is now. He played really well vs Barnsley. John of 5 years ago maybe, but not now

Boyandy
22-12-2009, 11:30 AM
Simple twist and everything has changed.

It was a dislocation, not a twist.

andy m
22-12-2009, 12:42 PM
Stern John and Freddie Sears is the only time we've had a PARTNERSHIP up front all season.

Riley
22-12-2009, 01:25 PM
Lee and John are totally different, you can't compare them at all.

They could have ended up playing well together, and I guess they still might. But I guess football is all ifs and buts isn't it....

The Gerry Queen
22-12-2009, 01:28 PM
Nonsense, Lee is a far better player than John is now. He played really well vs Barnsley. John of 5 years ago maybe, but not now

Absolutely. Mark Robbins in his press conference said that it was Barnsley's inability to cope with Lee that put them in danger of losing the match. Unusual praise when you consider it was Moses who had almost all of the limelite.
Stern John has been dining out on his relegation saving Souhampton goals for too long now.

Chris Leitch
22-12-2009, 01:59 PM
Nonsense, Lee is a far better player than John is now. He played really well vs Barnsley. John of 5 years ago maybe, but not now

Lee and Moses tore Reading apart, because Moses has the ability to get on the end of flick ons (unlike Sears).

Lee and Moses is by far our best partnership.

brb rule
22-12-2009, 02:02 PM
Lee and Moses tore Reading apart, because Moses has the ability to get on the end of flick ons (unlike Sears).

Lee and Moses is by far our best partnership.


Sears looked good at beginning of season when playing upfront with Lee. Don't think were really being fair on Sears as hasnt really had alot of games upfront. However he does seem to have lost all the confidence he was playing with in aug and sept so maybe its for the best he goes back.

Also think though that if he was to stay he does have goals in him which may be needed once moses goes in Jan.

jams1234
22-12-2009, 02:27 PM
All the Ipswich players think that Keans is a complete ****. Straight from the horses mouth fwiw.

cpfc4evandeva
22-12-2009, 02:45 PM
I think they're both very average (Lee and John). For me it would depend completely on who has higher wages.

Lee is trying hard at the moment buthe never ever looks like scoring. In fact, I'd prefer if he was missing chances and being unlucky. I can't even remember the last time he had a shot at goal! Thats very worrying imo.

cpfc4evandeva
23-12-2009, 08:20 PM
All the Ipswich players think that Keans is a complete ****. Straight from the horses mouth fwiw.
What, 'All the Ipswich players' told you? :confused:

jams1234
23-12-2009, 08:52 PM
Nope, just one Ipswich player told me.

AJ
23-12-2009, 09:16 PM
Nope, just one Ipswich player told me.

The one who looks like a horse?:o

AJ
23-12-2009, 09:17 PM
Sears looked good at beginning of season when playing upfront with Lee.

Sears only looked good because Lee looked terrible as he was unfit and unhappy, Lee has turned that around, whereas Sears, has remained the same.

Archiebald Leitch
24-12-2009, 09:22 AM
I would not be surprised to see Stern John back with us at the end of his loan period. He can add a different dimension to our game...

Gooders
24-12-2009, 11:13 AM
As you see it?

ammiller
24-12-2009, 11:21 AM
I would not be surprised to see Stern John back with us at the end of his loan period. He can add a different dimension to our game...

That is an interesting insight.

I wonder what other BBSers think?

AJ
24-12-2009, 11:35 AM
That is an interesting insight.

I wonder what other BBSers think?

Surely it all depends on money...in how much Palace have.:(

Sir.S.C Remembered
24-12-2009, 02:09 PM
All the Ipswich players think that Keans is a complete ****. Straight from the horses mouth fwiw.

Well I am sure many do. It was the case at Sland too.

Fair play to him in his first season. He DID spend but he still also turned them around very well.

In further seasons he spent a absolute fortune and was VERY VERY poor. This man totally lives off his reputation as a player now and is a terrible manager and a idiot of a person too. I am sick of all his comments about Premiership matters. When in a battle like he is, he should really just concentrate on that battle and not anything that has nothing to do with him.

Gark Moldberg
29-12-2009, 04:01 PM
Is John injured? I'm surprised that he was nowhere near the team on Saturday.

Are we keeping him injury free pending the transfer window opening?

CPFC_DAVE77
29-12-2009, 04:05 PM
Is John injured? I'm surprised that he was nowhere near the team on Saturday.

Are we keeping him injury free pending the transfer window opening?

Is that a joke that I has gone over my head?:confused:

dee eff
29-12-2009, 04:27 PM
Is that a joke that I has gone over my head?:confused:

He should be back from loan shouldn't he? People were mentioning Boxing Day as the end of his loan period.

IpswichEagle
29-12-2009, 04:55 PM
He should be back from loan shouldn't he? People were mentioning Boxing Day as the end of his loan period.

Read in the local rag here that he was ineligible to play against his parent club. I take that as there being a clause in the loan contract, rather than the loan deal ending.

He was meant to be watching from the stands apparently.

He gave an interview here and pretty much expressed a strong desire to stay (albeit as a 1st team regular). I think he is just after games and doesn't care where he actually plays.