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old geezer
18-07-2010, 09:36 AM
The People today is claiming that we have won the race to sign Hugo Colace. This guy is an Argentinian who played for Barnsley lat year and won Player of the Year for them... Anyone know much about this guy? Sounds perfect and he is a free agent.

Dannyzz
18-07-2010, 09:43 AM
Would be a good signing.

He's a central midfielder who can spray the ball about and make a crunching tackle. Thought he was off to Swansea.

cpfcfan1
18-07-2010, 09:44 AM
The article says that Burleys reputation of playing passing football has made him want a move to Palace..

Biggineagle
18-07-2010, 09:47 AM
Well thought of at Barnsley

http://barnsleyblog.com/why-hugo-colace-should-be-player-of-the-season/


"Doyle has also given Hugo extra freedom to storm forward. He has achieved the incredible feet of becoming our second top scorer from defencive midfield (only Boggy has got more). Finishing has been clinical, most of his goals have come from late runs into the box. "

Biggineagle
18-07-2010, 09:48 AM
The article says that Burleys reputation of playing passing football has made him want a move to Palace..

And playing with Jules;)

rhynoeagle
18-07-2010, 09:49 AM
What a signing that would be.

Alan Key
18-07-2010, 09:49 AM
And playing with Jules;)

And playing with Alan Lee..

cpfcno1
18-07-2010, 09:50 AM
where does it say this ?

No.16
18-07-2010, 09:56 AM
This would be immense...11 goals since 2008 with Barnsley

Seaside Eagle
18-07-2010, 10:05 AM
This would be immense...11 goals since 2008 with Barnsley

He's a DM, also.

webbo1990
18-07-2010, 10:06 AM
Well thought of at Barnsley

http://barnsleyblog.com/why-hugo-colace-should-be-player-of-the-season/


"Doyle has also given Hugo extra freedom to storm forward. He has achieved the incredible feet of becoming our second top scorer from defencive midfield (only Boggy has got more). Finishing has been clinical, most of his goals have come from late runs into the box. "
That's Barnsley bang in trouble then - they lost 'Boggy' as well!

I've heard of him, but can't say i've noticed him play. The stats and Player of the Year award speaks volumes though, so i'd be happy with that signing.

Skid Row
18-07-2010, 10:08 AM
He looks good on his youtube tribute. Times his runs well.

cpfcben
18-07-2010, 10:13 AM
Wow. Just what we are looking for. No more aging Italians.

rhynoeagle
18-07-2010, 10:14 AM
Wow. Just what we are looking for. No more aging Italians.

What was wrong with that italian ?

He was the best player on the Pitch yesterday and hes older by 5 years on all of them.

Sign Him on a 1 year deal, and certainly sign Colace.

lewisham eagle
18-07-2010, 10:29 AM
This would be a major coup definitely sign him up:

JonProgrammeSeller
18-07-2010, 10:34 AM
I thought the Italian had a good game yesterday, bit of experience in the centre of midfield is what is needed, but also if we have got Colace then I will be happy. He's a tricky player and can spay the ball about well, shows composure on the ball, a tough tackler and would be a worthy addition to the side!! I'd sign both Baiocco and Colace to be fair.

CP Satellite
18-07-2010, 10:35 AM
Interesting thoughts from a Barnsley fan on this link, campaigning for Hugo Colace to be Barnsley's player of the year :

http://barnsleyblog.com/why-hugo-colace-should-be-player-of-the-season/



He apparently used to captain a team with Lionel Messi in it...............any chances of linking them up again, Mr Burley?

Cuddles
18-07-2010, 10:47 AM
Sounds great!....'incredible feet' :bash:

ChristalPalace
18-07-2010, 10:53 AM
That's Barnsley bang in trouble then - they lost 'Boggy' as well!

I've heard of him, but can't say i've noticed him play. The stats and Player of the Year award speaks volumes though, so i'd be happy with that signing.

They've replaced "Boggy" with the useless Liam Dickinson too.

Like us, Barnsley never get shown on TV. However when I see brief snippets of them on the Newcastle/Leeds Show on the BBC, Colace always seems to be scoring headers, so he could be useful from Ambrose's corners.

Pistol Knight
18-07-2010, 10:55 AM
looks good
7mES78PcnKE

Shipp Ahoy!
18-07-2010, 10:56 AM
Fingers crossed.

mushroom
18-07-2010, 10:59 AM
How old is he?

cpfcfan1
18-07-2010, 11:00 AM
26 so Wiki says

the kooch
18-07-2010, 11:00 AM
Who is this "Boggy" character?

cpfcfan1
18-07-2010, 11:01 AM
Bogdanovic, their top goal scorer last season

mushroom
18-07-2010, 11:04 AM
26 so Wiki says
Thanks.

Good age, knows the league, can pass, scores a few, and doesn't mind a tackle.

kettle
18-07-2010, 11:08 AM
The Italian no.8 and Colace (if he signs) would be fantastic signings. Shows how many good players there are available on a free. Baioccio (however you spell it), has experience, had good feet, and good passing range.
Colace has experience of the league and is settled in the UK.

PauLo
18-07-2010, 11:10 AM
Kinda similar to Danns, is he not?

ThisIsDoM
18-07-2010, 11:13 AM
I reckon this would be a quality signing. Really hope it comes off.

mushroom
18-07-2010, 11:13 AM
Kinda similar to Danns, is he not?
I would say Danns is more dynamic, this player seems more defensive, and more of a ball player.... Could be wrong though, as I have only seen him play a few times

rhynoeagle
18-07-2010, 11:19 AM
looks good
7mES78PcnKE

Possible THE most unbelivable choice of music for a Tribute. What was the guy who created that thinking ? :moo: :afro:

I think he'd be an excellent addition.

brooklynlou
18-07-2010, 12:18 PM
26 years old and free. Interesting

Celestial Empire
18-07-2010, 12:26 PM
The Italian no.8 and Colace (if he signs) would be fantastic signings. Shows how many good players there are available on a free. Baioccio (however you spell it), has experience, had good feet, and good passing range.
Colace has experience of the league and is settled in the UK.

Don't you mean Rado and Colace ?
GB seems to love midfielders (a good sign). Since there are a few decent attacking midfielders around (and already at the club), whilst 'budget' strikers are in short supply, maybe we will go one upfront ?:)

brooklynlou
18-07-2010, 12:43 PM
Don't you mean Rado and Colace ?
GB seems to love midfielders (a good sign). Since there are a few decent attacking midfielders around (and already at the club), whilst 'budget' strikers are in short supply, maybe we will go one upfront ?:)

Strange market this year. Good young midfielders are available on a free but you can't get a goal scoring striker for love or money. Looks like GB will be lucky to get a striker on loan and we'll be playing alot of 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1.

ThisIsDoM
18-07-2010, 12:48 PM
Strange market this year. Good young midfielders are available on a free but you can't get a goal scoring striker for love or money.

Clinton Morrison

rhynoeagle
18-07-2010, 12:49 PM
Clinton Morrison

Well lets get over him now. Hes already at another club.

TC EAGLE
18-07-2010, 01:01 PM
Apparently good mate of Jules so that may sway it

maxpower
18-07-2010, 01:06 PM
He is quality i found out little while ago we were after him had to keep stum but i was very excited to hear we were interested in him and really hope we sign him

macstar
18-07-2010, 01:21 PM
striker please.

Oh south london
18-07-2010, 01:33 PM
Looks quality. Him and or Garvan please. We really need to sort out this area and then turn out attentions to getting a striker.

Braders
18-07-2010, 01:37 PM
Looks quality. Him and or Garvan please. We really need to sort out this area and then turn out attentions to getting a striker.

:p

Steve in Phoenix
18-07-2010, 01:46 PM
Sounds like he'd be great but how many times have The People broken a Crystal Palace signing ??

FromSelhurst
18-07-2010, 01:51 PM
him and danns would make a good pairing.

jordanismygod
18-07-2010, 02:05 PM
striker please.

:S: Great input to this thread
We all know we need strikers. Do you honestly believe GB isn't working his nuts off to add strikers?
We still need strengh in depth for all areas.

macstar
18-07-2010, 02:20 PM
:S: Great input to this thread
We all know we need strikers. Do you honestly believe GB isn't working his nuts off to add strikers?
We still need strengh in depth for all areas.


thanks:hmph:

kolinkins
18-07-2010, 02:26 PM
Would be a cracking signing.

cpfc4evandeva
18-07-2010, 02:29 PM
With us being linked with so many midfielder I assume we must be playing 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 next season.

kolinkins
18-07-2010, 02:30 PM
With us being linked with so many midfielder I assume we must be playing 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 next season.

Maybe. But not so sure - we still have no pace and hope Burley will address that. We could just as easily play 4-4-2, with Ambrose and Dorman wide, and Danns with a play-maker in the middle.

cpfc4evandeva
18-07-2010, 02:48 PM
Maybe. But not so sure - we still have no pace and hope Burley will address that. We could just as easily play 4-4-2, with Ambrose and Dorman wide, and Danns with a play-maker in the middle.

But who on earth are the two strikers going to be?

If Lee and Andrew are first choice we will do well to survive again.

Lee by himself I could just about accept if Dorman, Danns, Ambrose, etc were in support the whole time.

Andrew just isn't good enough imo.

BulletEagle
18-07-2010, 02:51 PM
With us being linked with so many midfielder I assume we must be playing 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 next season.

I think we played 4-2-3-1 against Chelsea.

Speroni

Wright -- McCarthy -- Barrett -- Ouasafane

Radosavlijevic -- Baiocco

Danns ----- Dorman ----- Ambrose

Lee

It worked, until we tried playing through balls to big Al, who just wasn't quick enough, but he did hold the ball up while the others caught up with him well.

brooklynlou
18-07-2010, 02:54 PM
With us being linked with so many midfielder I assume we must be playing 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 next season.

Considering that it looks like we'll be lucky to get 1 striker on loan, and us being linked to many DM's, I'm assuming a 4-2-3-1 as well. The DM's direct the play and back up the Defense, Clyne and maybe another speedy loan LB allowed to bomb forward and Dorman and Ambrose participate in all the attacks.

That and a passing game and we may be entertained this year. It sure beats:
- Hoof it to the midget (Dowie)
- Hoof it to the big lump in the middle (Taylor & Warnock)
- Hoof it to the speedy guys on the wings and hope they get clever (Warnock)
- If you don't know what to do, just hoof it forward and hope for the best (All)

GodstoneEagle
18-07-2010, 02:58 PM
I assume it's pronounced Koh-lat-chee

BulletEagle
18-07-2010, 02:58 PM
Thing is, it frustrates me to see we are going to try and loan strikers.

Yes, it is a good move for now, but as Sears showed last season and poor Besian before that, they don't always work out and they are not permanent.

It is all good and well loaning a player, but after this season they are gone, and we have to look for a new one. Problem is, this is happening all around our league, and so there aren't many, if any, strikers in the mould we need on a free. If this means we will go into the money 2010 say we can have if we can justify it, or if it means we will get a loan in, I don't know, but I personally think we need a striker that we can call ours.

As for defensive midfielders, I see nothing wrong with the two that played there against Chelsea. We should sign the both of them and get rid of the left back.

Pistol Knight
18-07-2010, 03:02 PM
Andrew just isn't good enough imo.

Fully agree, hes pacy, but thats about it, and we need to BUY strikers not loan signings

BulletEagle
18-07-2010, 03:05 PM
Fully agree, hes pacy, but thats about it, and we need to BUY strikers not loan signings

See my post above. Loaning doesn't help us in the slightest.

brooklynlou
18-07-2010, 03:16 PM
I think we played 4-2-3-1 against Chelsea.

Speroni

Wright -- McCarthy -- Barrett -- Ouasafane

Radosavlijevic -- Baiocco

Danns ----- Dorman ----- Ambrose

Lee

It worked, until we tried playing through balls to big Al, who just wasn't quick enough, but he did hold the ball up while the others caught up with him well.

So assuming (1) we keep Clyne (2) We sign a LB (3) Baiocco is signed and (4) we get a striker on loan, it would look like ...


................Speroni..................
Clyne McCarthy Barrett (LB)
..↓.......Baiocco (DM)..........↓..
.....Dorman Danns Ambrose....
........↓.........(CF).........↓..........

That said, if we do play a 4231, Clyne and the LB we intend to sign become very important since they are the one bombing down the wings.

917L
18-07-2010, 03:20 PM
So assuming (1) we keep Clyne (2) We sign a LB (3) Baiocco is signed and (4) we get a striker on loan, it would look like ...


................Speroni..................
Clyne McCarthy Barrett (LB)
..↓.......Baiocco (DM)..........↓..
.....Dorman Danns Ambrose....
........↓.........(CF).........↓..........

That said, if we do play a 4231, Clyne and the LB we intend to sign become very important since they are the one bombing down the wings.

I'm expecting Clyne to play LB and Wright to play RB

GodstoneEagle
18-07-2010, 03:35 PM
Thing is, it frustrates me to see we are going to try and loan strikers.

Yes, it is a good move for now, but as Sears showed last season and poor Besian before that, they don't always work out and they are not permanent.

It is all good and well loaning a player, but after this season they are gone, and we have to look for a new one. Problem is, this is happening all around our league, and so there aren't many, if any, strikers in the mould we need on a free. If this means we will go into the money 2010 say we can have if we can justify it, or if it means we will get a loan in, I don't know, but I personally think we need a striker that we can call ours.

As for defensive midfielders, I see nothing wrong with the two that played there against Chelsea. We should sign the both of them and get rid of the left back.
It's principally because strikers are overvalued in the market.

elgin eagle
18-07-2010, 03:40 PM
Seems we might be building up a talented squad of ball-playing free transfers probably on sensible wages. That Colace looks goods, and at 26 is the right age. Why haven't Barnsley offered another contract though?

brooklynlou
18-07-2010, 03:57 PM
Seems we might be building up a talented squad of ball-playing free transfers probably on sensible wages. That Colace looks goods, and at 26 is the right age. Why haven't Barnsley offered another contract though?

.

917L
18-07-2010, 03:58 PM
They may have, but the fact that Coyle is gone and Brian Laws lost 15 of the 18 games he's managed so far for Burnley may have played a role in wanting a change of scenery ...

What has that got to do with Barnsley?

brooklynlou
18-07-2010, 04:03 PM
Forgive. Had a senior moment and got the teams mixed up.

CPFC2010ANDON
18-07-2010, 04:16 PM
What has that got to do with Barnsley?

I bet he wears glasses too.

Also, better tell John Salako not to accept a lift with the geezer as Salako will turn up and say...

"Are we playing in a new strip?"

OR

"Did I miss the anouncement of the postponement? Grounds empty!"

joyce the voice
18-07-2010, 04:19 PM
I assume it's pronounced Koh-lat-chee

Koh-la-zay I think

Coveta
18-07-2010, 04:20 PM
I assume it's pronounced Koh-lat-chee

Ko lah say

CPFC_DAVE77
18-07-2010, 04:21 PM
He is quality. Hope this is true.

Coveta
18-07-2010, 04:21 PM
SNAP !!

SpikeyMatt
18-07-2010, 04:21 PM
Colace would be a very good signing.

joyce the voice
18-07-2010, 04:26 PM
SNAP !!

Ko lah say!

go-la-zo!

Ko lah say!

One of the Mexican commentator on Univision has a nice habit of saying golazo! in an ordinary tone of voice when the ball goes in the net and then going mad. It's the commentary equivalent of Cruyff's brilliant walk away from goal as if nothing had happened when he scored.

JDawg
18-07-2010, 04:47 PM
striker please.

Couldn't agree more. Thought yesterday was excellent and the short bloke with bandy legs wearing 8 was very good. Scott Sinclair on loan again would also be fab and would sort the midfield out.

My Chelsea mate's comment yesterday was that we looked good but need a striker or two. As there was hardly any ariel stuff Lee and Andrew looked to be struggling.

Not Dos Santos though. He was shite.

maxpower
18-07-2010, 06:18 PM
Yes we bring in colace and hopefully a striker soon, it is true we have been in talks with colace but i don't know if he has signed

CPFC_DAVE77
18-07-2010, 06:20 PM
Yes we bring in colace and hopefully a striker soon, it is true we have been in talks with colace but i don't know if he has signed

Wonder if Jules has spoken with him.

jams1234
18-07-2010, 06:22 PM
It was 4-4-1-1 against Chelsea, Dorman in the hole. Danns and Ambrose were far too deep to be playing as part of a front three, or as a three just behind the striker.

maxpower
18-07-2010, 06:52 PM
Ithink if we did sign him he would be better than derry no doubt, then i reckon we just need a couple of strikers poss one on loan and a left back and we could be ok for the start of the season

York.Eagles
18-07-2010, 07:22 PM
I would prefer to have him to the old italian I think an ideal player especially with garvan as well. And Slovenia
I think we should Stick With Lee

Celestial Empire
18-07-2010, 07:26 PM
See my post above. Loaning doesn't help us in the slightest.

Think of it as buying time until, either Calvin, Scannell, one of the youngsters start scoring regularly, or a decent prospect at a decent price becomes available.

Colace Oh Oh,
Colace Oh Oh Oh Oh

(Volare tune).

[now all we have to do, is actually sign the blighter ;) ]

York.Eagles
18-07-2010, 08:08 PM
Sounds like a good transfer would suit a player like garvan and Danns and scores odd goal. I would rather have him than the older Italian.
But still think a striker is needed.

York.Eagles
18-07-2010, 08:13 PM
Good Replacement For Derry Have Him Over Italian :)
Would go well with danns and Garvan

keithywonder
18-07-2010, 08:37 PM
With us being linked with so many midfielder I assume we must be playing 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 next season.

if you are playing a passing game then these formations are a must imo

Danny boy
18-07-2010, 08:39 PM
If we do get him our midfield is sorted and only need a goal scorer striker and we will be decent next season :p

Polish Pete
18-07-2010, 09:05 PM
He's a DM, also.

Not sure if any of the other players play Dungeons and Dragons but it would be useful to have one.

Lion
18-07-2010, 09:30 PM
Would be a great signing. Hope it's true.

jams1234
18-07-2010, 09:52 PM
It is Hugo Ko-la-fay.

Seaside Eagle
18-07-2010, 10:09 PM
Not sure if any of the other players play Dungeons and Dragons but it would be useful to have one.

Oh dear! :D

NZsparky
18-07-2010, 10:57 PM
The People today is claiming that we have won the race to sign Hugo Colace. This guy is an Argentinian who played for Barnsley lat year and won Player of the Year for them... Anyone know much about this guy? Sounds perfect and he is a free agent.
I could not find this at all. I found a week old link saying he was off the leicester

bigdazza08
18-07-2010, 11:30 PM
I did see aswell in the paper bottom right hand side in the transfer section.

NZsparky
19-07-2010, 02:37 AM
I only have on line version though

Edenbridge Eagle In Exile
19-07-2010, 06:03 AM
Clinton Morrison

Aaarrggghhhhh! :hmph:

Give it a rest please :(

GreatGonzo
19-07-2010, 08:26 AM
We have lots of similar midfielders, and far too many Centre mids.

Danns and Colace/Italian in the centre could be a good option, but where do Dorman and Ambrose play? Put them too wide and they both become less effective, but too narrow and we really struggle for the width.

radiomike
19-07-2010, 08:54 AM
Baiocco to give him his correct name has a bit of the Michael Hughes about him and looked useful - combative, always available for the ball with good teechnique but very hard to judge on one game - Colace would be a useful addition - we have to back George's judgement right now - I hope if he joins he will link up his fellow Argentinian Julian for the whole season.

Boyandy
19-07-2010, 08:56 AM
I guess we could play a 4-2-1-3 with Dorman and Ambrose both pushed up with Danns as the main midfielder? We obviously need a striker or two, but this might be an alternative GB may go for as we know good forwards cost money.

In terms of defensive midfielder that's Colace, Baiocco, Radosavljevic, Bridcutt and Garvan we've been linked to in the last week or so. Can see him getting two of them in to replace the gaps left by Derry and Ertl.

the kooch
19-07-2010, 09:04 AM
We have lots of similar midfielders, and far too many Centre mids.

Danns and Colace/Italian in the centre could be a good option, but where do Dorman and Ambrose play? Put them too wide and they both become less effective, but too narrow and we really struggle for the width.


I think you're right, but a possible solution would be to play Danns and Colace/Rado/Baiocco as central mids, Ambrose as the left midfielder, Scannell/Cadogan or a new signing as the right midfielder and Dorman in the hole. Ambrose and Dorman seem too similar and it will be hard to find a place for both in the starting 11.

TC EAGLE
19-07-2010, 11:23 AM
someone on HOL has stated something could be done today

http://www.holmesdale.net/page.php?id=106&tid=100978&page=2

cpfcben
19-07-2010, 11:47 AM
From Wikipedia

After his contract expired with Barnsley on the 30th June 2010 he has had interest from Swansea City, Leicester City, Crystal Palace & Sheffield Utd. Unable to agree terms with any of the interested clubs he is set to re-sign for Barnsley FC on a one year deal before the new season starts.

Chris K
19-07-2010, 12:00 PM
I'm not sure either of those two sources convince me one way or the other really

Celestial Empire
19-07-2010, 12:38 PM
From Wikipedia

After his contract expired with Barnsley on the 30th June 2010 he has had interest from Swansea City, Leicester City, Crystal Palace & Sheffield Utd. Unable to agree terms with any of the interested clubs he is set to re-sign for Barnsley FC on a one year deal before the new season starts.

Wishful thinking from a Barnsley fan.;)

Stigma
19-07-2010, 12:47 PM
Palace chasing Hugo Colace

CRYSTAL Palace are closing in on a deal for former Barnsley midfielder Hugo Colace.

The 26-year-old Argentinian was voted Barnsley’s Player of the Year last season but he has not accepted a new contract which was offered to him by the Tykes at the start of May.

Swansea, Leicester and Sheffield United were also interested in signing him but Palace appear to have won the race for his signature.

Don't miss tomorrow's South London Press for the full story.

http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/tn/sport.cfm?id=25633&headline=Palace%20chasing%20Hugo%20Colace

Big Fella
19-07-2010, 12:50 PM
I don't think it matters if we do have the same "type" of midfielders, we have a threadbare squad and if any of any main players get injured / suspended (as they will), we have nowt behind them. I think the importance of those utility players who have left (Butterfield, Ertl and even Lawrence could do a job as holding midfield) might come back to haunt us.

lewisham eagle
19-07-2010, 12:54 PM
We don't have the same type of midfielders than Collace he is mainly a defensive and holding midfielder which we really need since losing Derry and Ertl. Players like Danns are more attacking.

SpikeyMatt
19-07-2010, 12:55 PM
Sweet :)

FraserH
19-07-2010, 12:55 PM
great addition to the squad if it comes off.

Dingle
19-07-2010, 12:59 PM
Would be an amazing signing if we get him. We are building up quite a nice squad here! Bring on Leicester!

rhynoeagle
19-07-2010, 01:03 PM
wow, what a signing he would be. Who'd of thought it 2 Argentinians at Palace ;)

Garfy
19-07-2010, 01:06 PM
Aside from the Sunday People where is this reported. The People is from the same stable as the Mirror.

ChristalPalace
19-07-2010, 01:10 PM
Excellent news if true.

Woosie
19-07-2010, 01:19 PM
Fantastic news if we get him! But would that stop us trying to get Garvan?

ChristalPalace
19-07-2010, 01:21 PM
Fantastic news if we get him! But would that stop us trying to get Garvan?

I'd rather get Colace on a free (which help in making sure Jules stays) than pay a six-figure fee for Garvan to a division rival.

Woosie
19-07-2010, 01:23 PM
I'd rather get Colace on a free (which help in making sure Jules stays) than pay a six-figure fee for Garvan to a division rival.

Yes I think I would agree with you there. I was just curious as to wheter or not we would still want Garvan afterwards that's all.

Voldo
19-07-2010, 01:28 PM
He might encourage Jules to grow the locks back.....

KungFuCharlie
19-07-2010, 01:37 PM
Fantastic news if we get him! But would that stop us trying to get Garvan?

Over the course of a long season, I suspect we'd have good cause to have them both.

jams1234
19-07-2010, 02:00 PM
Over the course of a long season, I suspect we'd have good cause to have them both.
Which would in turn stop our chances of getting any of the 3 trialist defensive midfielders we have at the moment.

Regarding defensive midfield, it seems we have 5 options:

Baicco.
Bridcutt.
Slovenian long name.
Garvan.
Colace.

I can't see us getting more than 2 of these. How old are Garvan and Colace?

ChristalPalace
19-07-2010, 02:04 PM
Which would in turn stop our chances of getting any of the 3 trialist defensive midfielders we have at the moment.

Regarding defensive midfield, it seems we have 5 options:

Baicco.
Bridcutt.
Slovenian long name.
Garvan.
Colace.

I can't see us getting more than 2 of these. How old are Garvan and Colace?

Baiocco - turned 35 early in May
Bridcutt - turned 21 in early May: shares a birthday with Baiocco, incidentally
Radosavljevic - turned 31 in April
Garvan - turned 22 in January
Colace - turned 26 in January

brooklynlou
19-07-2010, 02:06 PM
I can't see us getting more than 2 of these. How old are Garvan and Colace?

Young. Mid to early 20's

jams1234
19-07-2010, 02:12 PM
Baiocco - turned 35 early in May
Bridcutt - turned 21 in early May: shares a birthday with Baiocco, incidentally
Radosavljevic - turned 31 in April
Garvan - turned 22 in January
Colace - turned 26 in January
Cheers. I thought Bridcutt was younger.

From this then, I'd take Baicco, Garvan and Colace. This gives us 3 deep-lying midfielders, not necessarily defensive ones.

Big Blue Eagle
19-07-2010, 02:19 PM
Remember we also have one of our own already in N'Diaye

kettle
19-07-2010, 02:24 PM
Having seen what we have lost in terms of outfield players:
Buttefield / Lawrence / Ertl / Derry / Hill / John
and what we are lacking anyway:
pacy striker / winger / left back


We lost 2 defensive mids in Derry and Ertl, so I would look at taking 2 of the defensive mids.

Colace
Radosavlevic
with one or the others that are left

If Baiocco / Bridcutt are happy with one year deals and are cheap, then it is worth a gamble. I would rate Garvan more, but then he will cost, and I would rather any other money go on a striker or winger.

rhynoeagle
19-07-2010, 02:27 PM
Remember we also have one of our own already in N'Diaye

Why does everyone on this site think hes a DM ?

Brett
19-07-2010, 02:31 PM
Why does everyone on this site think hes a DM ?

Same reason why people think Andrea Pirlo is a defensive midfielder.

PauLo
19-07-2010, 02:37 PM
someone on HOL has stated something could be done today

http://www.holmesdale.net/page.php?id=106&tid=100978&page=2

EDIT: never mind, I may be wrong.

kolinkins
19-07-2010, 02:42 PM
Remember we also have one of our own already in N'Diaye

Totally different type of player.

Is it just me, or did he look EVEN bigger on Saturday?

jams1234
19-07-2010, 02:48 PM
Totally different type of player.

Is it just me, or did he look EVEN bigger on Saturday?
I thought this also. Looked fooking massive.

Garfy
19-07-2010, 02:56 PM
Aside from the Sunday People where is this reported. The People is from the same stable as the Mirror.

Stigma
19-07-2010, 02:57 PM
South london press today..see link on page 5..

http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/tn/sport.cfm?id=25633&headline=Palace%20chasing%20Hugo%20Colace

maxpower
19-07-2010, 04:19 PM
Lets hope this is true will be a great signing

KungFuCharlie
19-07-2010, 04:41 PM
South london press today..see link on page 5..

http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/tn/sport.cfm?id=25633&headline=Palace%20chasing%20Hugo%20Colace

Why does the SLP website NEVER work???

maxpower
19-07-2010, 04:59 PM
They must be updating it. But i have reliably been told that he has signed

Jer
19-07-2010, 05:02 PM
They must be updating it. But i have reliably been told that he has signed

Hope so

AddiscombeCPFC
19-07-2010, 05:03 PM
They must be updating it. But i have reliably been told that he has signed

Going off the reviews on here and comments from Barnsle fans...great news!

I must admit I never heard of him before was linked with us, but he looks like a good prospect. Would be interesting to know why he isn't staying at Barnsley - we can't have offered him a great deal more than they did, perhaps he just fancied a change or joining a London club.

Where did you hear he has signed?

Braders
19-07-2010, 05:09 PM
They must be updating it. But i have reliably been told that he has signed

Wow, really hope this is true! thanks maxpower :lux: :lux:

cpfcben
19-07-2010, 05:09 PM
Maxpower the new cg. Let's hope so.

cpfcben
19-07-2010, 05:09 PM
I spoke to soon.

:(

maxpower
19-07-2010, 05:15 PM
Actually he hasn't signed my bad he told me he did but he is down at the moment looking around to see if he likes the area and what the club have to offer, staying in a hotel tonight and tomorrow night

CPFC_flake
19-07-2010, 05:18 PM
Ahh checking out the sights of Croydon, if that aint a deal breaker i dont know what is :)

Stellavista
19-07-2010, 05:19 PM
Actually he hasn't signed my bad he told me he did but he is down at the moment looking around to see if he likes the area and what the club have to offer, staying in a hotel tonight and tomorrow night

Whatver you do, don't show him Croydon.....

Woosie
19-07-2010, 05:22 PM
Actually he hasn't signed my bad he told me he did but he is down at the moment looking around to see if he likes the area and what the club have to offer, staying in a hotel tonight and tomorrow night

You know him? Or are you using 'he' as whoever is telling you this stuff?

cpfcfan1
19-07-2010, 05:22 PM
His informer is Harry Monk

Oh south london
19-07-2010, 05:25 PM
Hope he does sign.

herts_palace
19-07-2010, 05:27 PM
Totally different type of player.

Is it just me, or did he look EVEN bigger on Saturday?

I thought the same thing - grown at least 3 inches over the summer!

orp pisshead1
19-07-2010, 05:28 PM
Hopefully he'll have a chat with speroni re: the club.

maxpower
19-07-2010, 05:29 PM
Nope not harry monk never met the guy

Biggineagle
19-07-2010, 05:42 PM
Nope not harry monk never met the guy

Training Ground Max??

Stigma
19-07-2010, 05:49 PM
Ahh checking out the sights of Croydon, if that aint a deal breaker i dont know what is :)

:o

ThisIsDoM
19-07-2010, 05:53 PM
Nope not harry monk never met the guy

He might actually sign then! :D

maxpower
19-07-2010, 05:59 PM
ha ha nope, really hope he does sign think he would be a quality defensive mid who can score goals. We will find out in a couple of days im sure as the players will be down devon way soon

whereEaglesFly
19-07-2010, 06:06 PM
Why does everyone on this site think hes a DM ?
He could be

maxpower
19-07-2010, 06:07 PM
Where does he play then?

rhynoeagle
19-07-2010, 08:01 PM
Where does he play then?

Colace is a defensive midfield.

And for the people who think hes a DM I thought N'diaye is a standard CM who offers an aerial advantage and looks to keep it on the floor and is a great play maker. If he is a DM i apologise but im sure he isnt.

elgin eagle
19-07-2010, 08:08 PM
Nope not harry monk never met the guy

Well you know the octopus? :)

Kirby
19-07-2010, 08:26 PM
Colace is a DM, but he can't tackle (according to Barnsley fans).

PalaceSince2004
19-07-2010, 08:56 PM
Colace is a DM, but he can't tackle (according to Barnsley fans).

But I guess he can play football! It would be a very good signing in my opinion

eagleforlife
19-07-2010, 09:10 PM
Colace is a DM, but he can't tackle (according to Barnsley fans).

He doesn't look too bad at tackling according to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMEeatQ0k8

maxpower
19-07-2010, 09:27 PM
He looks a great player full of energy and knows how to pass, really hope burley can persuade colace to sign for us on the right deal, and also we have speroni as our back up plan

rhynoeagle
19-07-2010, 10:24 PM
He doesn't look too bad at tackling according to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMEeatQ0k8

His passing looks amazing.

I've only seen him about 4-5 times and Watched some videos on the web. But i really hope we sign him. I'd be gutted if we miss out.

Who Cares?
19-07-2010, 10:37 PM
The Mirror (I know) is carrying a report tomorrow that Burley hopes to sign Garvan for 200k in the next 48 hours and Colace tomorrow.

rhynoeagle
19-07-2010, 10:40 PM
The Mirror (I know) is carrying a report tomorrow that Burley hopes to sign Garvan for 200k in the next 48 hours and Colace tomorrow.

:love:

SpikeyMatt
19-07-2010, 10:49 PM
The Mirror (I know) is carrying a report tomorrow that Burley hopes to sign Garvan for 200k in the next 48 hours and Colace tomorrow.

That would be ruddy brilliant :)

se1eagle
19-07-2010, 10:50 PM
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Crystal-Palace-boss-George-Burley-set-for-double-midfield-swoop-for-Ipswich-s-Owen-Garvan-and-Barnsley-s-Hugo-Colace-article530013.html

Flappy Chicken
19-07-2010, 11:02 PM
How many midfielders and who would that give us?

eagles #1
19-07-2010, 11:11 PM
The Mirror just get all their stuff from here. Never get excitied until it's official :)

Stellavista
19-07-2010, 11:21 PM
The Mirror is possibly the shittest paper on the planet.
And I've seen the National Enquirer.........

brooklynlou
19-07-2010, 11:35 PM
Actually, the National Enquirer has gotten good lately. It broke the Edwards affair scandal and misappropriation of campaign funds (they may even win a Pulitzer for it) and dug up the fact that Al Gore recently moved all his assets over into a LLP - as if he's awaiting some legal action that he may lose.

Oh south london
19-07-2010, 11:36 PM
Lets hope they are right this time. If we get these two our midfield will be the best in this league imo.

Stellavista
19-07-2010, 11:45 PM
Actually, the National Enquirer has gotten good lately. It broke the Edwards affair scandal and misappropriation of campaign funds (they may even win a Pulitzer for it) and dug up the fact that Al Gore recently moved all his assets over into a LLP - as if he's awaiting some legal action that he may lose.


F*ck me, what brought about that evolution?
I've got a draw full of front covers with headlines like 'My three year old weighs the same as a baby elephant, but was abducted and impregnated by cannibal aliens dressed as Elvis, who spoke in tongues'..........

james powell
19-07-2010, 11:47 PM
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Crystal-Palace-boss-George-Burley-set-for-double-midfield-swoop-for-Ipswich-s-Owen-Garvan-and-Barnsley-s-Hugo-Colace-article530013.html
Just reading that we bettered someones offer makes me smile.

RDSdaEAGLE
19-07-2010, 11:52 PM
F*ck me, what brought about that evolution?
I've got a draw full of front covers with headlines like 'My three year old weighs the same as a baby elephant, but was abducted and impregnated by cannibal aliens dressed as Elvis, who spoke in tongues'..........

They still have those headlines :D

The journalist responsible for the Edwards story is a friend of a friend's - he's very diligent with his work and has produced some great stories recently.

The Edward's case was funny because at first Edward's used the old 'it's the National Enquirer - who believes that shit anyway?' stuff - until they started finding more and more evidence.

Anyway, you'd be better of saying 'The Mirror is possibly the shittest paper on the planet. And I've seen the Globe.........'

http://www.globemagazine.com/media/originals/201030.jpg

brooklynlou
20-07-2010, 12:33 AM
F*ck me, what brought about that evolution?
I've got a draw full of front covers with headlines like 'My three year old weighs the same as a baby elephant, but was abducted and impregnated by cannibal aliens dressed as Elvis, who spoke in tongues'..........

Times change. They're now about celebrity gossip, crime and scandal (they'll do the occasional "I saw bigfoot" piece as a joke). Because they are treated like lepers, they can't really be threatened - what are you going to do, not invite them to the cocktail party? They've become the only newspaper that is willing to run the stories that other papers were too afraid to touch for fear of political backlash and burning their connections. So if you have a bone to pick with a politician, and have the evidence to back it up, the NE will pay very handsomely to publish it.

brooklynlou
20-07-2010, 12:36 AM
Just reading that we bettered someones offer makes me smile.

And as long as nobody hijacks him from us at the airport, we're fine ....

stinky
20-07-2010, 07:58 AM
I have so many things crossed that I don't know if I'll ever be the same again

Brod
20-07-2010, 08:02 AM
It's gonna happen, it's gonna happen.

Dobbo
20-07-2010, 08:08 AM
"Burnley tabled the offer to Roy Keane's club for the unsettled starlet and hopes to do a deal in the next 48 hours." bugger :confused:

stinky
20-07-2010, 08:09 AM
"Burnley tabled the offer to Roy Keane's club for the unsettled starlet and hopes to do a deal in the next 48 hours." bugger :confused:


:D

Steve C
20-07-2010, 08:16 AM
:D
Dickheads, I think they meant Burley......Prats.....:rolleyes:

Steve C
20-07-2010, 08:17 AM
Hi Stinky, i don,t mean you......just got the wrong quote.......:love:

Absolution
20-07-2010, 08:28 AM
I still refuse to believe anything in the Mirror!

GreatGonzo
20-07-2010, 08:35 AM
Cheers. I thought Bridcutt was younger.

From this then, I'd take Baicco, Garvan and Colace. This gives us 3 deep-lying midfielders, not necessarily defensive ones.

So you would have:

Baicco
Garvan
Colace
Ambrose
Danns
Dorman
N'Diaye

All central midfielders in a Championship squad? Thats 7 of them! Route to financial meltdown again.

Stellavista
20-07-2010, 08:44 AM
So you would have:

Baicco
Garvan
Colace
Ambrose
Danns
Dorman
N'Diaye

All central midfielders in a Championship squad? Thats 7 of them! Route to financial meltdown again.

'Central' midfielders that don't always do the same job.

Colace Garvan
Ambrose Danns Dorman

Spares in N'Diaye and Baicco

The only thing you need for this to work is pacy, overlapping full-backs (known as wing-backs in't game), and we already have one of those in Clyne.

What's the problem there, Fabio?

GreatGonzo
20-07-2010, 08:49 AM
'Central' midfielders that don't always do the same job.

Colace Garvan
Ambrose Danns Dorman

Spares in N'Diaye and Baicco

The only thing you need for this to work is pacy, overlapping full-backs (known as wing-backs in't game), and we already have one of those in Clyne.

What's the problem there, Fabio?

As you say we only have 1 wing back fit and available, well at the moment and come the first game of the season, he will only have been in the country a week and missed pre-season training.

Also means you either play 3 Central defenders if you have a 5 man midfield and wing backs and i am not sure we have 3 of those currently available. Or you play 1 up front and as we saw last season we do not have any strikers who can do that role particularly well. That would mean 4 defenders, 2 of whom you expect to bomb on which leaves you very prone to counter attacks.

kolinkins
20-07-2010, 08:54 AM
'Central' midfielders that don't always do the same job.

Colace Garvan
Ambrose Danns Dorman

Spares in N'Diaye and Baicco

The only thing you need for this to work is pacy, overlapping full-backs (known as wing-backs in't game), and we already have one of those in Clyne.

What's the problem there, Fabio?

I cannot believe he listed Ambrose as a vcentral midfielder - he never played there for us, and Burley never used him there at Ipswich.

Stellavista
20-07-2010, 08:55 AM
As you say we only have 1 wing back fit and available, well at the moment and come the first game of the season, he will only have been in the country a week and missed pre-season training.

Also means you either play 3 Central defenders if you have a 5 man midfield and wing backs and i am not sure we have 3 of those currently available. Or you play 1 up front and as we saw last season we do not have any strikers who can do that role particularly well. That would mean 4 defenders, 2 of whom you expect to bomb on which leaves you very prone to counter attacks.

You're talking in the past - 'we don't have this.... last season we did not have'.
I would bet that mine, and others guesses at the eventual formation, will be closer than yours, if the recruits can be found.
It certainly doesn't look, so far, that GB has any intention of signing up any out and out wingers, does it?

Your suggested 'tactics' for my formation are a nonsense. When the full backs 'bomb on', you use one, or both, of your defensive midfielders to supply the extra rearguard.
Do players acutally move their feet in your scheme of things? :D

Stellavista
20-07-2010, 09:00 AM
Gonzo's perfect team:

http://boston.sportsthenandnow.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/i_hansons_hi.jpg

EagleSE24
20-07-2010, 09:02 AM
I love the fact that as soon as a player is linked with a move away, fans will start going on about how rubbish they are and how easily replaceable they are.

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=50&fid=41&sty=2&act=1&mid=2120884426

GreatGonzo
20-07-2010, 09:08 AM
I cannot believe he listed Ambrose as a vcentral midfielder - he never played there for us, and Burley never used him there at Ipswich.

Yet he scored a lot of his goals coming from the central portion of the pitch for us, didn't play out wide as well for us last season.

If people want Ambrose to score goals next season IMO he needs to be reasonably central.

My suggested formations given who has been bought has been a narrow 4-4-2 or diamond:

----Ambrose--Colace--Danns--Dorman----

Offers little width but offer ability to move and interchange.

or

-----------------Colace--------------
----Ambrose----------------Danns----
-----------------Dorman--------------

Again little width, Ambrose and Dorman could swap.

Stella - it is not that i do not like the wing back system, as Kolinkins knows i favour is but according to him 'no-one has ever won anything using 3-5-2' which is incorrect.

Under Bruce, the last time we played good passing attacking football, we played wing backs i believe. Clyne could do the job on the right, Hills on the left but he is not fit, so right now we would need another 2 players in these areas. We then, with Davis i believe still away only have McCarthy, Barratt and Wright who could play in the centre so would need another signing or two there as well.

I understand your reasoning about the DM slotting in when a wing-back maraudes forward, however it offers a lot of scope for misunderstanding and neither Colace or Garvan who you put in those roles have to my knowledge played that way.

Garvan is played as the pivotal attacking midfielder by Irish U21s and is know for his passing, far better with the ball going forward than without it defending. Colace likes making late runs into the box and scores a few, he has 11 for Barnsley, not the sort of player who seems to hang back and look to fill in at full back. So whilst what you suggest can work i do not belive we have at the club or in teh list of players you used teh players to make it work.

stinky
20-07-2010, 09:10 AM
I refuse to believe anything until someone like CG drops a little hint

ChristalPalace
20-07-2010, 09:13 AM
Don't forget that Ambrose can play as a striker too, he's very versatile.

GreatGonzo
20-07-2010, 09:13 AM
Gonzo's perfect team:

http://boston.sportsthenandnow.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/i_hansons_hi.jpg

If you are gonna be clever best not to show the players of a team who won the title eh? ;)

Stellavista
20-07-2010, 09:15 AM
Yet he scored a lot of his goals coming from the central portion of the pitch for us, didn't play out wide as well for us last season.

If people want Ambrose to score goals next season IMO he needs to be reasonably central.

My suggested formations given who has been bought has been a narrow 4-4-2 or diamond:

----Ambrose--Colace--Danns--Dorman----

Offers little width but offer ability to move and interchange.

or

-----------------Colace--------------
----Ambrose----------------Danns----
-----------------Dorman--------------

Again little width, Ambrose and Dorman could swap.

Stella - it is not that i do not like the wing back system, as Kolinkins knows i favour is but according to him 'no-one has ever won anything using 3-5-2' which is incorrect.

Under Bruce, the last time we played good passing attacking football, we played wing backs i believe. Clyne could do the job on the right, Hills on the left but he is not fit, so right now we would need another 2 players in these areas. We then, with Davis i believe still away only have McCarthy, Barratt and Wright who could play in the centre so would need another signing or two there as well.

I understand your reasoning about the DM slotting in when a wing-back maraudes forward, however it offers a lot of scope for misunderstanding and neither Colace or Garvan who you put in those roles have to my knowledge played that way.

Garvan is played as the pivotal attacking midfielder by Irish U21s and is know for his passing, far better with the ball going forward than without it defending. Colace likes making late runs into the box and scores a few, he has 11 for Barnsley, not the sort of player who seems to hang back and look to fill in at full back. So whilst what you suggest can work i do not belive we have at the club or in teh list of players you used teh players to make it work.

Adapt and survive, Gonzo, adapt and survive. I wouldn't say Hargreaves or Barry are a Derry or Ertl - It is possible to have a slightly more cultured player playing defensive midfield.
S'funny - I could have sworn I saw The Beast lumping it out of defence during the second half on Saturday.....

Stellavista
20-07-2010, 09:16 AM
If you are gonna be clever best not to show the players of a team who won the title eh? ;)

As you well know, the point I was making was about style, not substance...

kolinkins
20-07-2010, 09:17 AM
Adapt and survive, Gonzo, adapt and survive. I wouldn't say Hargreaves or Barry are a Derry or Ertl - It is possible to have a slightly more cultured player playing defensive midfield.
S'funny - I could have sworn I saw The Beast lumping it out of defence during the second half on Saturday.....

GG seems to ignore that Ambrose was always used wide (of a three) by Warnock.

Gooders
20-07-2010, 09:18 AM
I cannot believe he listed Ambrose as a central midfielder...

I can.

stevek
20-07-2010, 09:28 AM
Yet he scored a lot of his goals coming from the central portion of the pitch for us, didn't play out wide as well for us last season..

He scored lots of goals playing as a support/wide striker, not a central midfielder.

stevek
20-07-2010, 09:29 AM
I cannot believe he listed Ambrose as a vcentral midfielder - he never played there for us, and Burley never used him there at Ipswich.

It's a bit like all the people insisting Soares is a central midfielder even though every manager he has played for has played him on the right side of midfield ;)

GreatGonzo
20-07-2010, 09:32 AM
As you well know, the point I was making was about style, not substance...

I LOVE open attractive passing football, my philosopy though is you need a few brutes in the right areas to allow the others to play. Arenal are and have been a great example of a side who try to play lots of pretty football but don't have enough physicality at times and can be bullied in games. That is far more likely in our League.

If we have a strong player at CB, 1 in CM and 1 up front, we can surround them with the skillfull passers and it is more likely to work IMO.

Paddy has that at CB, Claude even more so it he plays, Lee will do that job up front, but we do not as yet have anyone who will really do that job in the centre of the park IMO. Derry and Ertl were the 2, not sure if Colace might be the one to do so, certainly seems good in the air just not sure about his tackling.

Crunchie
20-07-2010, 09:32 AM
So you would have:

Baicco
Garvan
Colace
Ambrose
Danns
Dorman
N'Diaye

All central midfielders in a Championship squad? Thats 7 of them! Route to financial meltdown again.

We have only got 4 of those mentioned. We maybe could sign Radosavlijevic?

You also mention you want 4 or 5 centre backs.

However, I like the way Burley wants to trail these players and then decide who to sign. I doubt we will have 8 central midfielders, as you put it.

I do agree however, (which is obvious) that we need at least 1 or 2 full backs, and 1 or 2 strikers up front to add to the squad.

Maybe Ambrose could "float" behind the striker or 3 or 4 of the midfielders (with one playing in front of the back 4) could just interact with each other in different positions.

Anyway, who knows what Burley has in mind, but it could be "total football" in the championship. :o

GreatGonzo
20-07-2010, 09:33 AM
It's a bit like all the people insisting Soares is a central midfielder even though every manager he has played for has played him on the right side of midfield ;)

And then disappeared from all clubs ;) Maybe they all got it wrong :D ;)

jobiinthelastmi
20-07-2010, 09:35 AM
I love the fact that as soon as a player is linked with a move away, fans will start going on about how rubbish they are and how easily replaceable they are.

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=50&fid=41&sty=2&act=1&mid=2120884426

The clown fans laughed when we signed Ambrose :hi:

GreatGonzo
20-07-2010, 09:37 AM
We have only got 4 of those mentioned. We maybe could sign Radosavlijevic?

You also mention you want 4 or 5 centre backs.

However, I like the way Burley wants to trail these players and then decide who to sign. I doubt we will have 8 central midfielders, as you put it.

I do agree however, (which is obvious) that we need at least 1 or 2 full backs, and 1 or 2 strikers up front to add to the squad.

Maybe Ambrose could "float" behind the striker or 3 or 4 of the midfielders (with one playing in front of the back 4) could just interact with each other in different positions.

Anyway, who knows what Burley has in mind, but it could be "total football" in the championship. :o

If you play 3 at the back you need 5 CB's in the squad, a back 4 you need 4 of them IMO.

We will need about 25 player i would say:
3 gks (we have those if price has signed)
4 full backs
4 centrebacks
5 strikers
5 central midfielders
4 wide midfielder

That would be my 'ideal' squad playing a 4-4-2 but then as we know i disagree with others on players best positions.

kolinkins
20-07-2010, 09:38 AM
It's a bit like all the people insisting Soares is a central midfielder even though every manager he has played for has played him on the right side of midfield ;)

Other than the manager who got the best out of him....

sydnsteve
20-07-2010, 09:46 AM
Who was that, and what best did you have in mind? I certainly don't remember it.

Anyway, that is fortunately well in the past. If we signed these 2 players it would be a great bit of business IMO.

Big Blue Eagle
20-07-2010, 09:48 AM
If you play 3 at the back you need 5 CB's in the squad, a back 4 you need 4 of them IMO.

We will need about 25 player i would say:
3 gks (we have those if price has signed)
4 full backs
4 centrebacks
5 strikers
5 central midfielders
4 wide midfielder

That would be my 'ideal' squad playing a 4-4-2 but then as we know i disagree with others on players best positions.

If Burley goes with current fashion we will be playing a form of 4-2-3-1 where the 3 are a mix of midfielders and deep lying strikers.

Based on what we have NOW that shapes up as:

GK: Speroni, Price, Mann (?)

FB: Clyne, Hills, Wright - so one short, plus Wynter (who can also play midfield)

CB: McCarthy, Davis, Barrett - one short although Wright can cover can't he? and we have a decent youngster in Holland

DM: N'Diaye - so at least 2 short, possibly three

AM: Ambrose, Danns, Dorman, Cadogan, Djilali - so probaly only one short

FWD: Lee, Andrew, Pinney, Scannell, Zaha - so maybe one short in the deep lying area

I would make that we are are looking for:

Left Back
2 possibly 3 defensive minded midfielders
1 attack minded midfielder
1 striker

Brod
20-07-2010, 09:54 AM
^

Interesting, but N'Diaye is not a DM.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
20-07-2010, 10:00 AM
If you play 3 at the back you need 5 CB's in the squad, a back 4 you need 4 of them IMO.

We will need about 25 player i would say:
3 gks (we have those if price has signed)
4 full backs
4 centrebacks
5 strikers
5 central midfielders
4 wide midfielder

That would be my 'ideal' squad playing a 4-4-2 but then as we know i disagree with others on players best positions.

nah. Steve Coppell only needed 11 players and a Barber, and a centre back capable of meatball headers now and again.

cranesparkeagle
20-07-2010, 10:05 AM
Can we use a player like this to our best advantage? Some of his early passing On EFLs link looks exquisite. He also appears to have an ability to read the game. I think we have to redefine the term defensive midfielder. This guy play-makes from back there. I think we should be careful not to pigeon-hole our midfielders in the way Warnock organised things.
We could be more flexible and a whole lot more interesting if this guy comes. One caveat though.It goes back to my first point. With this guys evident passing ability, how is it Barnsley weren't destroying people? Were they simply not good enough to get the most out of it? Will we be? I remember thinking that with a certain bald Italian some years back.

Il Padrino
20-07-2010, 10:10 AM
Under Bruce, the last time we played good passing attacking football, we played wing backs i believe. Clyne could do the job on the right, Hills on the left but he is not fit, so right now we would need another 2 players in these areas. We then, with Davis i believe still away only have McCarthy, Barratt and Wright who could play in the centre so would need another signing or two there as well.


I think that for this system to work you need someone a bit cultured to play as a traditional sweeper behind/between the two traditional cloggers - as Mullins did under Bruce.

I dont think that we have anyone who can read the game as well or use the ball as well at the moment. Shame. because Fonte would have slotted right in....

rhynoeagle
20-07-2010, 10:21 AM
George Burley is remaining tight-lipped on speculation he is set to sign Hugo Colace and Owen Garvan.

Colace, a free agent after failing to agree a new contract with Barnsley, is believed to be close to a move while Burley has offered in the region of 200,000 for Ipswich's out-of-favour midfielder Garvan.

"I am not going to mention any names but there are one or two players we are talking to," said Burley.

"At the moment there is nothing concrete but we will keep talking to people and keep looking.

"We are short of players and have spoken to some about coming here."

Last week, Burley confirmed he was in the market for a young striker to join the club on loan from a Premiership side and today he admitted talks were ongoing.

"The striking department is an area we need to strengthen," he said.

"We are waiting to hear about the Premiership striker.

"We have spoken to a couple of Premiership clubs to get players in on loan and I imagine they will make their minds up in a week or so."


http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/sport/eagleeye/8281150.Burley_quiet_on_Colace_and_Garvan/

dannyboy1807
20-07-2010, 10:23 AM
Some Barnsley fan says Colace has signed a new contract at Barnsley

sydnsteve
20-07-2010, 10:26 AM
If so, they'll suddenly remember how much they like him!

rhynoeagle
20-07-2010, 10:30 AM
Noone at palace is even sure how close or whatever to signing. But now theres been some talk of him, i'd be gutted if we missed out.

ThisIsDoM
20-07-2010, 10:31 AM
Oh dear, not sounding too good atm. I was hoping it was going to be a done deal by the end of today.

BulletEagle
20-07-2010, 10:34 AM
To have a full squad, IMO, we would need:

3 Goalkeepers (Speroni, Price, Mann)

2 Right-backs (Wright, Clyne)
2 Left-backs (Hills)
4 Centre backs (McCarthy, Davis, Barrett)

2 Defensive midfielder
4 Central Midfielders (Danns, Dorman)
4 Wingers, at least one being a lefty (Ambrose, Scannell, Djilali)

2 Small strikers (Zaha)
2 Target men (Andrew, Lee)

That is a squad of 24. We have 16. You could, I suppose chuck in N'Diaye as a CM, but not sure if he will play much of a part this year.

The list could look like this with a few trialists snapped up:

3 Goalkeepers (Speroni, Price, Mann)

2 Right-backs (Wright, Clyne)
2 Left-backs (Hills, Ousafane)
4 Centre backs (McCarthy, Davis, Barrett)

2 Defensive midfielder (Radosavljevic, Baiocco)
4 Central Midfielders (Danns, Dorman, Colace, Garvan)
4 Wingers, at least one being a lefty (Ambrose, Scannell, Djilali)

2 Small strikers (Zaha)
2 Target men (Andrew, Lee)

But we would still need three players more.

rhynoeagle
20-07-2010, 10:35 AM
I think that article is a good thing, im still hopeful he'll come to us. Isnt he good mates with Speroni ?

Vince Hilaire's Afro
20-07-2010, 10:40 AM
I think that article is a good thing, im still hopeful he'll come to us. Isnt he good mates with Speroni ?
They could be our Ardiles/Villa, but without the beards and Chas n Dave.

rhynoeagle
20-07-2010, 10:44 AM
They could be our Ardiles/Villa, but without the beards and Chas n Dave.

:D

Lone Eagle
20-07-2010, 10:46 AM
Seems like he has resigned for Barnsley

lewisham eagle
20-07-2010, 10:46 AM
He has signed new contract at Barnsley. Their fans have been getting the news on official club text.

kolinkins
20-07-2010, 10:48 AM
Oh well.

917L
20-07-2010, 10:50 AM
To have a full squad, IMO, we would need:

3 Goalkeepers (Speroni, Price, Mann)

2 Right-backs (Wright, Clyne)
2 Left-backs (Hills)
4 Centre backs (McCarthy, Davis, Barrett)

2 Defensive midfielder
4 Central Midfielders (Danns, Dorman)
4 Wingers, at least one being a lefty (Ambrose, Scannell, Djilali)

2 Small strikers (Zaha)
2 Target men (Andrew, Lee)

That is a squad of 24. We have 16. You could, I suppose chuck in N'Diaye as a CM, but not sure if he will play much of a part this year.

The list could look like this with a few trialists snapped up:

3 Goalkeepers (Speroni, Price, Mann)

2 Right-backs (Wright, Clyne)
2 Left-backs (Hills, Ousafane)
4 Centre backs (McCarthy, Davis, Barrett)

2 Defensive midfielder (Radosavljevic, Baiocco)
4 Central Midfielders (Danns, Dorman, Colace, Garvan)
4 Wingers, at least one being a lefty (Ambrose, Scannell, Djilali)

2 Small strikers (Zaha)
2 Target men (Andrew, Lee)

But we would still need three players more.

You missed Cadogan

rhynoeagle
20-07-2010, 10:52 AM
Gutted. But theres nothing on there newsnow page so im not ruling him out yet :D

:(

maxpower
20-07-2010, 10:58 AM
Yep he has gone to barnsley, havent been told why but seems like he made his decision very quickly, maybe that is why we are bidding for gravan again then, shame i was excited by the prospect of getting colace in

rhynoeagle
20-07-2010, 10:59 AM
Boo.

GodstoneEagle
20-07-2010, 11:00 AM
I'd expect at least one of Rado or Baiocco now then/

stinky
20-07-2010, 11:00 AM
This is the reason why I refuse to believe anything until someone like CG drops a hint.

Onwards and upwards.

dannyboy1807
20-07-2010, 11:02 AM
Ah well good to see a player show some loyalty

DaveP
20-07-2010, 11:05 AM
Confirmed on barnsley official website that he has now signed a new 2 year contract with them.

Imagine Burley will be disappointed but i expect him to go all out to sign Garvan now and expect probably one of Rado or Baiocco to sign too.

lewisham eagle
20-07-2010, 11:06 AM
Yep he has gone to barnsley, havent been told why but seems like he made his decision very quickly, maybe that is why we are bidding for gravan again then, shame i was excited by the prospect of getting colace in
Thought colace was meant to be in south london today?

ChristalPalace
20-07-2010, 11:07 AM
http://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10309~2096690,00.html

Biggineagle
20-07-2010, 11:07 AM
Didnt like or want him anyway;)

rhynoeagle
20-07-2010, 11:08 AM
Damn it.

Rado and Garvan it is then ?

kolinkins
20-07-2010, 11:08 AM
He's shit, dodged a bullet ;)

ChristalPalace
20-07-2010, 11:11 AM
First away game is at Barnsley. Time to get those first goal-scorer bets in now, lads.

Gooders
20-07-2010, 11:11 AM
Yep he has gone to barnsley, havent been told why but seems like he made his decision very quickly...

, I should imagine.

PJJY
20-07-2010, 11:22 AM
:(

Stellavista
20-07-2010, 11:24 AM
Players of all clubs use transfer interest to negotiate a better contract with the club they are already at. I'm sure our players and their agents will be playing the same game.

Stigma
20-07-2010, 11:25 AM
Whatever...his loss and all that. Let's get someone with an even cooler name in..Radosavlisomething:)

Aaroncpfc
20-07-2010, 11:44 AM
If he was expected to sign for us because we offered him more money than any other club and he's ended up back at Barnsley it sounds like he was just after money. If that's the case i'm rather glad we didn't sign him. There's enough defensive midfielders out there, two have came over from Europe to prove there worth to us. After all we went through last season I don't think a player who's more concerned about his bank balance than the future of this club should ever put on the Red and Blue kit again.

Brod
20-07-2010, 11:45 AM
Whatever...his loss and all that. Let's get someone with an even cooler name in..Radosavlisomething:)

I think you'll find that's "Radosavlisomethingmajigwotsit".

Panther
20-07-2010, 11:48 AM
I think you'll find that's "Radosavlisomethingmajigwotsit".
"Radosavlisomethingmajigwotsitovic", surely?

sw16girl
20-07-2010, 12:09 PM
If he was expected to sign for us because we offered him more money than any other club and he's ended up back at Barnsley it sounds like he was just after money. If that's the case i'm rather glad we didn't sign him. There's enough defensive midfielders out there, two have came over from Europe to prove there worth to us. After all we went through last season I don't think a player who's more concerned about his bank balance than the future of this club should ever put on the Red and Blue kit again.


Well that is bound to reduce the squad size somewhat - I suggest you bring your boots to the first game if the management run with that one.

Elgood
20-07-2010, 12:53 PM
Bit gutted we missed out of Colace, however, I've read on the Barnsley forums that he was a poor defensive midfielder (couldn't tackle etc), he's useful moving forward but that's an area we're well stocked now with Ambrose, Dorman and Danns. If we can get Garvan and Rimjobovic in we'll be very strong in midfild next season. Just a striker needed now (have been repeating that last sentence for 4 seasons).

Very pleased with developments and the work being done behind the scenes :)

kettle
20-07-2010, 01:23 PM
look guys all part of the plan. Palace will make millions with people buying Palace shirts with: Radosavlisomethingmajigwotsitovic on the back as opposed to "Colace"

bgh2172
20-07-2010, 02:18 PM
"Radosavlisomethingmajigwotsitovic", surely?

Should bump up some extra revenue for getting this on the back of shirts!?

a9lpc
20-07-2010, 02:26 PM
makes sense now that we have gone in for garvan again?

Oh south london
20-07-2010, 02:31 PM
A big shame. Still lets try and get Garvan now.

BulletEagle
20-07-2010, 03:05 PM
Let's try and get Garvan. I suppose it frees up wages for Radosavljevic and Baiocco to sign and we might get both now....

webbo1990
20-07-2010, 03:46 PM
Oh ****, why would the **** want to sign for Barnsley again? Yep, bring in Garvan.

Woosie
20-07-2010, 04:03 PM
Let's try and get Garvan. I suppose it frees up wages for Radosavljevic and Baiocco to sign and we might get both now....

Personally, I hope not. But Burley should know what he is doing and if they prove good signings then that's obviously a good thing.

The Bishop
20-07-2010, 04:17 PM
From what I have read on the Barnsley forums he (Colace) did not want to uproot his young family by moving to London. Hence the reason why he re-signed with them.

Gooders
20-07-2010, 04:20 PM
From what I have read on the Barnsley forums he (Colace) did not want to uproot his young family by moving to London.

Translation - I went off to look at signing for someone else so you upped your offer.

ChristalPalace
20-07-2010, 04:22 PM
From what I have read on the Barnsley forums he (Colace) did not want to uproot his young family by moving to London. Hence the reason why he re-signed with them.


I've seen other Barnsley fans saying he regularly buggers off back to Argentina during the season. They thought Palace might be an attractive proposition because of the club being an hour and a half's drive from Heathrow airport (in rush hour - I go to uni in Egham a mile down the road and it takes almost exactly 90 minutes to drive to midweek games after lectures; thankfully I don't live at uni, so I don't have to drive back again afterwards!)

cranesparkeagle
20-07-2010, 06:44 PM
look guys all part of the plan. Palace will make millions with people buying Palace shirts with: Radosavlisomethingmajigwotsitovic on the back as opposed to "Colace"

Especially if they spell it differently each time. Extra for customised spelling?;)

JDawg
20-07-2010, 07:47 PM
Worried that we cannot sign people that we supposedly "have won the race for" (see first post). So far it's Morrison, the striker from Gillingham who went to Norwich and now Colace. Add this to the piss take offers for Clyne and Speroni. Are we being delusional or has the Palace message just not got out to the masses?