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The EEEAAAGGGLLLEEE!!!
02-05-2002, 11:41 PM
Come on you Lion's.

You're the slightly better of two evils.

Ruskin Old Boy
03-05-2002, 01:16 AM
0-0 with about 17 mins to go

Louis
03-05-2002, 01:38 AM
1-0 Birmingham (Stern John)

Ruskin Old Boy
03-05-2002, 01:38 AM
Goal for Stern John in first minute of added on time.....c'mon Norwich:) :)

sydney eagle
03-05-2002, 01:39 AM
:veryangry

COME ON NORWICH:p

RednBlue
03-05-2002, 01:39 AM
I'l drink to that. Come on you canaries!!

sexyrazor
03-05-2002, 01:41 AM
Well done Brum - stick that where the sun don't shine Simon!!!

:)

Ridcully
03-05-2002, 01:44 AM
Vickers (******) passed it on to John who tapped in for easy finish...bollox!!! Bruce jumped round like a looney, just wish someone would punch him...felt it would be Birmingscum all day with the Bruce Norwich connection, lets just hope that the Canaries can dump him, for some reason I doubt it tho!!

I wasn't at Norwich, did they sing theres only one Steve Bruce to us...oh how ironic now if they did...

Arghhhhh flatnose is on the box now...I feel sick!!

selhurstparkflyer
03-05-2002, 01:45 AM
:cool:

I.Flyer
03-05-2002, 01:45 AM
Come on Delia - see if you can cook something up real good :p

congress
03-05-2002, 01:46 AM
Ha Ha Ha, Millwall lose.

Norwich looked very good in their Play off games, so I reckon they might have a good chance.

SexyRazor, please pm me with what you know and why you love Simon Jordan so much. ;)
I wont go no further not even on the BBS.

2can
03-05-2002, 01:46 AM
**** MILLWALL YOU CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT!

I'm as sick as a parrot.

Seeing the Millwall yobs crying was small consolation.

What?
03-05-2002, 01:48 AM
Oh Crap!

Come on Norwich, PLEASE!

cpfcben
03-05-2002, 01:48 AM
BR*CE your a lucky ****

:veryangry






whats the song they sing

''yellows, yellows, yellows, yellows, yellows, yellows''



COME ON NORWICH!

Ridcully
03-05-2002, 01:49 AM
Originally posted by congress
Ha Ha Ha, Millwall lose.

Norwich looked very good in their Play off games, so I reckon they might have a good chance.

SexyRazor, please pm me with what you know and why you love Simon Jordan so much. ;)
I wont go no further not even on the BBS.

Me too if you don't mind...

Louis
03-05-2002, 01:50 AM
Seeing the Millwall yobs crying was small consolation.

Oh, I don't know, sounds pretty funny to me.

Ian of Chatham
03-05-2002, 01:51 AM
I couldn't care less who won tonight to be honest. Come on Norwich!:p

glazierMK
03-05-2002, 01:51 AM
Gutted, trust Millwall to make Judas happy.

If the Brum Scum win next week, I'll put Brucie's home address on the forum so we can all send him our regards !!

sydney eagle
03-05-2002, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by Louis
Seeing the Millwall yobs crying was small consolation.

Oh, I don't know, sounds pretty funny to me. sounds fecking hilarious to me:D

sexyrazor
03-05-2002, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by congress
Ha Ha Ha, Millwall lose.
SexyRazor, please pm me with what you know and why you love Simon Jordan so much. ;)
I wont go no further not even on the BBS.

I certainly DON'T love Simon!!!???:grrr:

Ridcully
03-05-2002, 01:54 AM
I think that was irony...well an attempt anyway...:)

You are a players lounge person if I remember correctly...I wonder if you are anywhere near me....

Please PM about your loathing.....:love:

congress
03-05-2002, 02:01 AM
It was meant to be tounge in cheek.

New_Malden_Eagle
03-05-2002, 02:01 AM
Please please please come on Norwich - you may not deserve to go up but Judas certainly doesn't!

sexyrazor
03-05-2002, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by congress
It was meant to be tounge in cheek.

;) ;) :love: :love:

Les Butler
03-05-2002, 02:07 AM
just got back from the the bar,what a load of crap Both teams.

If Brom go up (Bruce and all that aside) they will be slaughted !

And as for Millwall they did not seem to even try ,what a cop out !

sydney eagle
03-05-2002, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by New_Malden_Eagle
Please please please come on Norwich - you may not deserve to go up why don't they? because they finished 6th?.....remember where we finished the last time we went up:) Credit where it's due,they have got through to the final and I hope to god they go up and not that flat nosed arse and his bunch of tw@ts

Streatham man
03-05-2002, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by Ruskin Old Boy
Goal for Stern John in first minute of added on time.....c'mon Norwich:) :)

Aren't you glad we paid 2.4 million for Ade instead of buying a Stern John for practically nothing who is putting in vital goals right and left? :veryangry

What?
03-05-2002, 02:10 AM
When Birmingham came down i was not very impressed with them at all, and when we played Norwich they looked a lot better than Brum, so i belive Norwich will go up.

If not I will be p'd off!

New_Malden_Eagle
03-05-2002, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by sydney eagle
why don't they? because they finished 6th?.....remember where we finished the last time we went up:) Credit where it's due,they have got through to the final and I hope to god they go up and not that flat nosed arse and his bunch of tw@ts

Yeah credit where it's due - but we dicked on them twice this season (even if they did beat us at Carrow Road) - and we certainly aren't good enough to go up!

sydney eagle
03-05-2002, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by New_Malden_Eagle


Yeah credit where it's due - but we dicked on them twice this season (even if they did beat us at Carrow Road) - and we certainly aren't good enough to go up! fair point,I personally think Man City are the only team that has been promoted that has ANY chance of staying up next season.

I.Flyer
03-05-2002, 02:37 AM
An old song keeps going round and round in my head at the moment and I can't stop singing it.

'We'll be seeing you in all the old familiar places .....' :D

The Omen
03-05-2002, 04:37 AM
Millwall fans are running riot after losing to Birmingham. Cars are being set alight as supporters fight police.

More to follow.....

Jaffa
03-05-2002, 04:48 AM
LONDON (Reuters) - Police in riot gear have clashed with Millwall fans outside the club's ground after the London side's 1-0 defeat by Birmingham in a division one playoff semifinal.

The result on Thursday night ended Millwall's hopes of premier league soccer next season and up to 1,000 fans vented their frustration after the game, some throwing bottles and missiles.

Soccer fan Keith Hollands described the situation as "very, very tense."

Police mounted a series of charges and counter-charges aided by mounted officers but only regained control when reinforcements were called, bringing their numbers to around 200.

Birmingham fans were kept back in the ground for well over a hour until it was safe enough to escort them back to their waiting coaches.

There were no immediate reports of any injuries or arrests.

On Wednesday, there were clashes between police and fans in Cardiff after the home side lost their second division playoff semifinal to Stoke.

In January, there were ugly scenes after an FA Cup match between Cardiff and premier league club Leeds United while Millwall fans have a long-standing reputation for violent incidents.

New_Malden_Eagle
03-05-2002, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by Jaffa
There were no immediate reports of any... arrests.

Why the hell not?

PeterH
03-05-2002, 05:00 AM
Oh bless. They are only 15 year olds. They have worked hard at Millwall to stamp out the problem and according to club sources they are now a family club and any reports otherwise are just hype by the press.

arussell
03-05-2002, 05:12 AM
It's alright though - according to Chairman Theo it's all made up by the press, and it's only a small minority having fun and causing no harm.

They've got it all under control really :rolleyes:

arussell
03-05-2002, 05:15 AM
I think this is the first game I've ever watched, where I've not wanted one team to win over the other.

I had no enthusiasm at all for either side when they were attacking - I was just hoping that players would be sent off all the time !

COME ON YOU YELLOWS :p

James
03-05-2002, 11:03 AM
Thank God for that. How any of you could seriously have preferred the thugs of Millwall to prevail is quite beyond me.

PENGE P
03-05-2002, 11:15 AM
Now all focus and say after me NORWICH NORWICH NORWICH

congress
03-05-2002, 11:16 AM
Quote from the Police Inspector in charge of the area.

" I have been in charge here for several years and there has been periodical trouble but this has been the worst."

Yet the Football League and F.A. still do nothing and turn a blind eye to what has been going on for years.

Samo*
03-05-2002, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by James
Thank God for that. How any of you could seriously have preferred the thugs of Millwall to prevail is quite beyond me.


I prefer to support a london club than a shity Midlands team! :)

917L
03-05-2002, 11:30 AM
only 7 arrested! totally unbelievable

From the BBC

About 45 police officers have been injured after trouble erupted outside Millwall football club in south London.
The violence followed Millwall's Division One 1-0 play-off defeat on Thursday against Birmingham City, which shattered the London club's dreams of promotion to the Premiership.

Police said about 900 Millwall fans left the ground instantly, obviously intent on trouble.

For the next hour or so they threw missiles, including bricks, paving stones, a chisel, flares and fireworks at police. Two cars were set alight.


Several police horses were hurt in the trouble

Chief Superintendent Mike Humphrey described the trouble as "significant serious disorder".

"This is my seventh season as commander for Millwall and this is the worst yet," he said.

"We have seen disorder periodically throughout my service here but tonight has definitely been the worst."

A Scotland Yard spokeswoman said out of 36 mounted police officers, 24 were injured. Six officers required hospital treatment.

She said one whole 21-strong unit of riot police was injured. Mr Humphrey said the unit had been caught at a junction "in a hail of missiles".

Violence filmed

None of those requiring hospital treatment was in a life threatening condition, said the spokeswoman.

Three police horses were also injured, two seriously.



This is my seventh season as commander for Millwall and this is the worst yet

Chief Superintendent Mike Humphrey
Most Birmingham City fans, who had travelled by coach, had to wait inside the stadium for more than an hour before the 21 coaches could be escorted from the stadium.

About 200 Birmingham fans travelling on public transport had to be escorted by riot police to the nearest London Underground station.

A police spokeswoman said at least seven people were arrested - four during the game and three for disorder after the game.

She added that before and during the game behaviour in the stadium was good, and the crowd did not invade the pitch at the end.

Mr Humphrey said: "We will be using video footage from this evening to pursue those responsible... we have been filming and we will find those responsible."

The BBC's John Sudworth, at the scene, said there was a suspicion that the violence was premeditated.

WATCH/LISTEN


The BBC's John Sudworth
"Local residents were left horrified"


I doubt anything will happen after all the FA havnt even met yet to discuss the troubkle at Cardiff against Leeds a couple of months ago, and the Welsh FA say the trouble there on Wednesdasy wasnt their fault as it was outside the ground!

When will the FA stop messing around with these clubs and penalise the regular trouble makers, instead they chose to make examples of clubs who have one off problems(what may they do to Brentford after the Reading game?) These people have no spine and apparently no desire to rid us of these scum.



:grrr: :grrr:

DE - Glad All Over
03-05-2002, 11:33 AM
As obvious as night following day; It just surprises me the media & police are surprised.

Yawn

RednBlue
03-05-2002, 11:33 AM
Send them down to the second division!!

917L
03-05-2002, 11:46 AM
On a slightly different note, did anyone notice the gate? under 17k Brum didnt even fill the top tier and the Millwall sides werent full, Brum big club my arse! smaller gate for a play off semi than our average and I believe smaller than their home gate against us:rolleyes:

redandblue
03-05-2002, 12:09 PM
To be honest what did anyone expect. ! Millwall lose they will kick off and they are one of the few teams that are quite happy to fight with the police. I think that the police should have expeceted this and should have been better prepared to keep them in the ground for a couple of hours after th game to let them all calm down. Its easier to contain them in seating than it is on the streets.

Prince Phillip
03-05-2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by 917L
On a slightly different note, did anyone notice the gate? under 17k Brum didnt even fill the top tier and the Millwall sides werent full, Brum big club my arse! smaller gate for a play off semi than our average and I believe smaller than their home gate against us:rolleyes:


Indeed, the junior jubb commentator on Radio 5 live last night suggested that Brucie's move from us to Birmingham was because the Midlanders had so much more "Premiership Potential"

To which co-commentator and Palace Ledge Mark Bright aggresively spat out the reply "so you think that Palace aren't a big club then?"

For a second I thought Brighty was going to thump him, but he's got too much class and style for that.

I'm sure that Satch would have decked him, though. Isn't it funny how after all these years you still can't think of Bright without thinking of Wright as well!?!?

Lords Eagle
03-05-2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by James
Thank God for that. How any of you could seriously have preferred the thugs of Millwall to prevail is quite beyond me.
Millwall thugs ran riot after the game, throwing bricks, samshing up cars etc.

I'll be praying for Delia and her merry band!

Del Gland
03-05-2002, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by 917L
She added that before and during the game behaviour in the stadium was good, and the crowd did not invade the pitch at the end.


Well since the Birmingham fans were in the Upper tier , not very likely.

There was a great shot of the Birmingham fans after they had scored. Immediate jubilation instantly turning into pant-pooping fear!!

GMTV did it's usual this morning and reported that the Millwall fans were frustrated that they couldn't get at the 18,000 Birmingham fans!!

Anyway, come on everyone. Please join me in dropping a line to SJ to ban these twats from Selhurst next season.

If the authorities had any sense they would fine them 2 million, ban them from all away games, and dish the fine out equally to the other clubs for gate compensation.

Soul Music
03-05-2002, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by 917L
only 7 arrested! totally unbelievable

From the BBC


Three police horses were also injured, two seriously.



Very sad, if not predictable with that lot. Hopefully now at long last the Met Police and SJ (!) will wake up and take the supporters interests in our game with this mob a little more seriously next season, rather than viewing mass seat and coin throwing as some sort of high spirited banter to be ignored....

Dave
03-05-2002, 01:07 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1965000/images/_1965817_police300.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1965000/images/_1965609_millwall300.jpg


http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1965000/images/_1965609_horses150.jpg

SKILLS
03-05-2002, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by 917L
On a slightly different note, did anyone notice the gate? under 17k Brum didnt even fill the top tier and the Millwall sides werent full, Brum big club my arse! smaller gate for a play off semi than our average and I believe smaller than their home gate against us:rolleyes:

From the BBC Sport web site:

Attendance: 16,391

:D

brighton_eagle
03-05-2002, 01:25 PM
Hardly surprising, they are a bunch of animals.

Cue the Millwall fans saying it's all been blown out of proportion, and there isn't a problem with their club. I must admit, I'm quite dissapointed they won't be going up, as I think that they would have to clean up their act in the Premier League.

Sounds like the Police were pretty ineffectual, and got their arses kicked.

Essexeagle
03-05-2002, 01:33 PM
Millwall also refused to take part in a BBC series about hooliganism, preferring only to say that they have taken a lot of action against hooligans.

Surprisingly - Stoke and Cardiff also refused to take part in the film.

In fact Cardiff accused the BBC of a crusade against Welsh football.

Benzhiyi
03-05-2002, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Dave Campbell



http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1965000/images/_1965609_horses150.jpg

Who let Karren Brady and friend on the pitch? :o

Gazza2
03-05-2002, 01:37 PM
24 out of the 36 mounted police were inured as well! I was desperate for them to be promoted. Then they could smash up Premiership grounds and, at last, the authorities would have been forced to take action.

A few Millwall fans I know had told me that if they had won, the final was going to be switched to Old Trafford to avoid Millwall fans clashing with Cardiff fans!

Mat ov CPFC
03-05-2002, 01:37 PM
Honestly you lot. Once again you fall for the media hype about Millwall. OK, so one or two of there supporters may have been slightly upset and yes, there was the odd 'damm' or 'bloody' said but there was no trouble at all and the Police have made it all up. As for those injuries, well maybe the Police van had a crash or something and they are just looking for a convienent excuse ? In fact the Van probably crashed into those Police horses which would explain how they come to be injured and, typically, they are just using Millwall fans as an excuse.

As for the supposed film footage of Millwall fans well its obviously been doctored and even it has not then the thugs shown are from Chelsea and Palace anyway.

So naive. :rolleyes:

Skin Up
03-05-2002, 01:38 PM
Of course this means we've got to go there again next season:(

Gazza2
03-05-2002, 01:41 PM
I refuse to go now. I gave it a miss last season = 1st time I have missed a Palace game at Millwll since b4 1975. Just not worth the aggro anymore. I shall nto be going this coming season either. I go to football as a release from the daily grind, not to endure threats in an air of malice.

DE - Glad All Over
03-05-2002, 01:44 PM
Good discussion on 5 live about it all.

sydnsteve
03-05-2002, 01:51 PM
It's because of the thugs that I wanted Millwall promoted. I would much rather have had them in the premiership.

lightweight
03-05-2002, 01:58 PM
oh what a surprise - trouble at a millwall v birmingham game, and trouble at cardiff v stoke. Never would have guessed that :rolleyes:

Whilst in some cases it is obviously media hype, somehow I don't think any of this is. For example, there was no mention of the trouble at Selhurst Park when we played Millwall this season, whilst on a smaller scale to the events of last night, it wasn't worthy of reporting "because it was millwall" The only 2 occassions I've seen real trouble at or outside a game has been when we've played millscum. How they can keep going on about what a nice family club it is I'll never know.

Neal k
03-05-2002, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by 917L
On a slightly different note, did anyone notice the gate? under 17k Brum didnt even fill the top tier and the Millwall sides werent full, Brum big club my arse! smaller gate for a play off semi than our average and I believe smaller than their home gate against us:rolleyes:

And how many did we take to the den on boxing day:rolleyes:

lightweight
03-05-2002, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by arussell
I think this is the first game I've ever watched, where I've not wanted one team to win over the other.



precisely why I didn't watch or listen to it.

Just knew that whoever won, I'd want Norwich to beat em.

Let's hpe it's a good weekend for Bees & Canaries!

rambo
03-05-2002, 02:16 PM
We do not want any more south London sides in the Premiership. Quite apart from the fact that local rivalries are more intense rivalries, there are bound to be some potential supporters who might prefer to start going to Millwall if they get up.

It would have been a total disaster for Millwall to have been promoted. As far as last night goes, `stand up if you love Steve Bruce'.

Now lets get down to supporting Norwich in the finals. Given the history of previous years, for Brum to lose then would hit them - and, more importantly, him - far far harder than losing last night. Admittedly I'm not confident, but we can hope.

Steve in Phoenix
03-05-2002, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by 917L
only 7 arrested! totally unbelievable

From the BBC

About 45 police officers have been injured after trouble erupted outside Millwall football club in south London.
The violence followed Millwall's Division One 1-0 play-off defeat on Thursday against Birmingham City, which shattered the London club's dreams of promotion to the Premiership.

Police said about 900 Millwall fans left the ground instantly, obviously intent on trouble.

For the next hour or so they threw missiles, including bricks, paving stones, a chisel, flares and fireworks at police. Two cars were set alight.


And four of those arrested were during the game! Only 3 were arrested for what occured after it with the rioting. I just dont get how so many police officers were injured.. did 3 of them do all that?

I was hoping too that they would go up (for only their third topflight season in their entire history) so that the League would stop its ostrich act when it comes to Millwall. What was particularly ironic was the Evening Standard Sport only yesterday claiming Millwall could now be proud of their reputation having "once been known for their violent fans". Hellooooooooo?

James TaylorNye
03-05-2002, 02:24 PM
Come on you big city near Ipswich!

TD2
03-05-2002, 02:26 PM
Let's all laugh at Millwall, let's all laugh at Millwall, la la la la...

Saw a Millwall supporting mate last night after he came back from the match - couldn't resist laughing my arse off!

This was always a win-win game for a Palace fan and you just have to love the heartbreak of thousands of Scumwall fans, as their dream is cruelly shattered in the last minute! Beautiful.

Now I hope to see a repeat, with Norwich grabbing a last minute winner against the Brum Scum.

No surprise to see the Millwall fans on the rampage - just goes to show that contrary to opinion from some quarters, their disgraceful "fans" are still nothing more than wild animals.

Roll on relegation next season.

arussell
03-05-2002, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Prince Phillip
To which co-commentator and Palace Ledge Mark Bright aggresively spat out the reply "so you think that Palace aren't a big club then?"

The man is still quality - even after all these years :)

Random*
03-05-2002, 02:46 PM
How amusing. Hopefully the authorities will take notice... Fine 'em and ban them from all away games.

It seems like yesterday when we were singing 'We love you Ipswich' when, on the last day of the season, every result went against Millwall, and they ended up losing to Ipswich, causing their relegation. Very funny.

917L
03-05-2002, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Neal k


And how many did we take to the den on boxing day:rolleyes:

From my recollection and from seeing the Brum attendance about the same I would have thought;)

Skin Up
03-05-2002, 03:00 PM
Theres been problems between the clubs for a few years now i'll be suprised if Brum were given any more than 1000 seats even if that meant reducing the gate for segragation purposes.

Whats the betting jammy Brum are the ones to be given the unlucky dressing room at Cardiff and are the ones to break the jinsk on it.

Dave
03-05-2002, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by 917L


From my recollection and from seeing the Brum attendance about the same I would have thought;)

16630 for the boxing day match

PeterH
03-05-2002, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Steve in Phoenix


And four of those arrested were during the game! Only 3 were arrested for what occured after it with the rioting. I just dont get how so many police officers were injured.. did 3 of them do all that?


Fearsome reputation.

YASSA the PALACETINIAN
03-05-2002, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by TD2

Roll on relegation next season.

Why not this season?

A deserved 30 point deduction penalty would be cool.....
only club wanting that more than us would be Crewe :D

Del Gland
03-05-2002, 04:13 PM
Taken from "This Is London"

The Football League said today it was distressed at the scenes of rioting outside The Den following Millwall's play-off defeat against Birmingham last night, but was powerless to punish the club.

League spokesman, John Nagle, said: "This isn't a matter for the Football League to investigate. Obviously what happened after the match was disgraceful and we are very disappointed. It's a particular shame because Millwall have done more than any other club to combat their hooligan element

It makes you want to weep!!

For all you stat collectors out there!!

Mayday Protestors 7000
Police 6000
Injured Police 5

Millwall Thugs 900
Police 100ish
Injured Police 45

Del Gland
03-05-2002, 04:17 PM
Millwall chairman Theo Paphitis said in a statement: "Millwall Football Club deeply regrets the appalling incidents that took place following the play-off match with Birmingham City on May 2.

"Once again, the thuggish element which sees football as a cover for their violent tendencies has sullied the name of football and Millwall, and brought deep distress to our local community with whom we have close ties.

"We also wish to express our sympathy to those police officers and horses injured on Thursday night.

"We have worked tirelessly over the past several years to rid ourselves of the mindless minority.

"Within the confines of our ground where we have jurisdiction we - working closely with the police and decent supporters - have been successful.

"Where incidents occur away from the Den we do of course feel a moral responsibility.

"But the problem of mob violence is not solely a Millwall problem, it is not a football problem, it is a problem which plagues the whole of our society.

"We, unfortunately, don't have the answer to society's problems but we will continue to have dialogue and work with anyone who believes that they can help eradicate this evil."

Spin, baby, spin! What next? A man dressed as a monkey winning a local election?

brighton_eagle
03-05-2002, 04:19 PM
Yeah....nice one Theo. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Obviously mates with Tone as well as SJ

Winston
03-05-2002, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Skin Up
Theres been problems between the clubs for a few years now i'll be suprised if Brum were given any more than 1000 seats even if that meant reducing the gate for segragation purposes.




I understand that Birminghams allocation was 2,800 - the same as Millwalls' at St Andrews

congress
03-05-2002, 04:36 PM
Theo says working hard at Millwall football club to stop these incidents??

What about the fat bloke at the final whistle running up to the away end and try a lob something into the Birmingham fans.I saw him a bit later climbing back in with the Millwall fans.
Good stewarding.

fieldy
03-05-2002, 04:46 PM
I don't consider 1000 supporters in a crowd of 16000 a minority of fans do you? I listened to this being discussed on Talksport this morning, the usual neandathal rang in complaining that everyone was "avin' a pop at the 'wall agin ain't it, every club's got an elemnet bla bla bla....it's bin blown out of proportion etc etc, he said and I quote "I know we woz throwing coins and stuff at them (birmingham supporters) but they woz chucking them back you know so their not blameless are they? and they started ripping out some of our seats!!!" how can you reason with morons like this?

Scum, pure and simple

Amusing that the brum idiots tore their seats out though, I seem to remember that happening somewhere else this season? what goes around comes around...

YASSA the PALACETINIAN
03-05-2002, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Del Gland
League spokesman, John Nagle, said: "This isn't a matter for the Football League to investigate.

Now with all that video footage being screened worldwide, all those going to the World Cup will be treated as if they were those neanderthals involved (not the ones in uniform).

"This isn't a matter for the Football League to investigate”??
Of course not, there’s no pattern here is there? Never the same few clubs involved, and it’s such a recent phenomenon, and it’s really all the Government’s fault….w@nk, w@nk, w@nk…….

Cyneagle
03-05-2002, 05:15 PM
JULY 2001: Pre-season friendly in Germany against Eintracht Frankfurt called off due to fears Millwall fans will clash with German hooligans.

APRIL 2001: Trouble broke out in Wrexham and Millwall on the day the London club sealed promotion to the First Division. Thugs caused the match to be halted for 23 minutes soon after kick-off by spilling on to the pitch. A small group of Millwall fans proceeded to charge towards Wrexham supporters and 10 arrests were made.

MAY 2000: Millwall fans clash with riot police inside Wigan ground and in centre of town after a Second Division play-off match.

SEPTEMBER 1998: A mob of 300 fans pelt police in riot gear with bottles and chunks of concrete after a 1-1 draw with Manchester City at The Den. More than 15 arrests were made for public order offences.

FEBRUARY 1995: Mounted police forced to charge fans after a Millwall-Chelsea FA Cup game at Stamford Bridge. Eleven police officers were injured and 38 fans arrested.

MAY 1994: Chairman Reg Burr considers resigning after trouble mars the game with Derby - 16 arrests as fights go on around the ground.

Del Gland
03-05-2002, 05:24 PM
I think we discredit the Millwall scum when we say they have no intelligence. They obviously know enough to avoid anything inside the ground as they could be identified by their seat positions. Or do they just walk in and sit where they like as was the case a few seasons ago on my last, and I mean last, visit to the ground

NRM the 2nd
03-05-2002, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by fieldy
"avin' a pop at the 'wall agin ain't it, every club's got an elemnet bla bla bla....it's bin blown out of proportion etc etc


All I would say to that prat is look at the front page of todays evening standard and say that again.....I think not!

firesign
03-05-2002, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Del Gland
"But the problem of mob violence is not solely a Millwall problem, it is not a football problem, it is a problem which plagues the whole of our society.

:hmph: Yes I know that things are what they used to be, but the truth is that mob violence ISN'T a problem we have to deal with that often - excpet of course when Millwall are in town. It's about time they got thrown out of the league.

arussell
03-05-2002, 06:03 PM
From Sky Sports .....

Police were considering taking unprecedented legal action against Millwall Football Club after 47 officers were injured when mass violence erupted at the end of Thursday's Division One play-off game.

Scotland Yard's Deputy Commissioner Ian Blair said he believed it would be the first time any police force had sued a football club and said the violence his officers had suffered was "totally unacceptable".

Police said 26 of the 34 horses on duty were injured and one of them nearly died. Mr Blair said he would meet the club's bosses and the Football League before deciding if the Force should sue.

Mr Blair said: "This was absolutely unacceptable. We had a situation in which for an hour and 10 minutes the football fans of Millwall decided to attack the police.

"The Birmingham fans were all locked inside the ground and they weren't involved so this was a confrontation between the people who allegedly support Millwall."

Forty-seven officers were injured after they came under attack from up to 900 hooligans outside the club ground in Bermondsey, south east London.

They threw missiles including bricks, paving stones, flares and thunder-flash explosives. One police horse, named Alamein, suffered serious injuries when a thunder-flash exploded beneath it. The frightened animal reared and came smashing down through a car, severing an artery in its leg.

Twenty-five other horses were injured, with three needing veterinary care. Two of the injured horses had recently helped escort the Queen Mother's funeral cortege.

The wounded officers suffered a wide range of injuries, including a broken leg, arm and foot. One man who needed several stitches to his face.

Wol
03-05-2002, 06:19 PM
Nothing that bad, back to the good old days!

Neil the Eagle
03-05-2002, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by arussell
Two of the injured horses had recently helped escort the Queen Mother's funeral cortege.


Bizarre!

Just what relevance does this have to the report?

bucketbongeagle
03-05-2002, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by arussell
From Sky Sports .....

Police were considering taking unprecedented legal action against Millwall Football Club after 47 officers were injured when mass violence erupted at the end of Thursday's Division One play-off game.

Scotland Yard's Deputy Commissioner Ian Blair said he believed it would be the first time any police force had sued a football club and said the violence his officers had suffered was "totally unacceptable".

Police said 26 of the 34 horses on duty were injured and one of them nearly died. Mr Blair said he would meet the club's bosses and the Football League before deciding if the Force should sue.


Hope they do it and take them to the fu(king cleaners, put them out of business for good.

Les Butler
03-05-2002, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by arussell
Two of the injured horses had recently helped escort the Queen Mother's funeral cortege.




Originally posted by Neil the Eagle


Bizarre!

Just what relevance does this have to the report?

I thought the same thing ?????

bucketbongeagle
03-05-2002, 07:10 PM
The first item on the 3.00 Virgin news was this story of the Police looking to sue the scum, really hope they do it, think if they were hit hard (£500,000 +) then that really would force the club and supporters to actually do something rather than just trot out the same old tired excuses.

wedgetail
03-05-2002, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by bucketbongeagle


Hope they do it and take them to the fu(king cleaners, put them out of business for good.
I hope NOT, relegated two divisions maybe. If Millwall went out of business these fools may attach themselves to us

Ouch that Hurt!
03-05-2002, 07:19 PM
I went through South Bermondsey at about 10.30pm last night, and all I could see was a car with flames pouring out of it and a bunch of 17/18 year olds in baseball caps and collers up hurling planks of wood at a line of riot police!

And the bloke on my train reckoned the police had overreacted! Says a lot of Millwall!

bucketbongeagle
03-05-2002, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by wedgetail

I hope NOT, relegated two divisions maybe. If Millwall went out of business these fools may attach themselves to us

yeah their would be that worry, I would like to think we wouldn't accomadate them but in reality I realise thats probably bollox, although I would hope the racial sh!te would get reported a fair bit.

New_Malden_Eagle
03-05-2002, 08:05 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2002/hooligans/diary/millwall.stm

Ouch that Hurt!
03-05-2002, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by New_Malden_Eagle
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2002/hooligans/diary/millwall.stm

Good to see no option for Palace.

Stonewall
03-05-2002, 10:05 PM
No Brentford either!

Gooders
04-05-2002, 12:55 AM
Millwall are a disgrace and have been for as long as I've been watching football.

Even in today's Standard amidst all the reports of last nights mayhem the old "no club has done more to stamp out trouble" cliche's were being trotted out.

:rolleyes:

During this seasons game at Selhurst Park I felt more intimidated than I had been since the bad old days of the seventies. It didn't look to me like a few troublemakers spitting out bile and venom, it was the vast majority of the 6,000 supporters they brought to the game.

They won 3-1 and yet pelted us with coins and torn up chairs - I remember thinking then "thank God we didn't win"!

I can't stand Millwall and I will never attend another game against them, home or away. It's just not worth the aggro.

I was hoping they would go up as a) we would be shot of them and b) as someone else said, once the Premier League's top clubs had been treated to a visit from them something might finally be done about their disgusting "fans".

There is no place in football for Millwall any more - do us all a favour and consign them to history.

Flying Higher
04-05-2002, 01:14 AM
Just thought that I'd mention that earlier this season they ambushed Pompey fans in a pub at Waterloo recking it.

BUNGLE
04-05-2002, 01:23 AM
I'm upset they weren't allowed to get to Bruce.

Vor
04-05-2002, 01:42 AM
I sincerely believe that it is most unlikely that a similar number of Palace fans were to behave in this way.

But, supposing they did.

How would you feel? What would be your reaction? What action would you expect from the club?

Let's face it. Whatever we may like to think, there are decent Millwall supporters. Forget those who offer platitudes and ludicrous excuses for what happened.

Can they continue to contemplate continuing to go to the New Den?

Could you go to Selhurst given similar circumstances knowing that violence could erupt at any time?

g23
04-05-2002, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by Vor
Could you go to Selhurst given similar circumstances knowing that violence could erupt at any time?

Good point, and my answer is no. I know there are decent Millwall fans (it's ridiculous even to suggest otherwise). However, I'd be a lot more receptive to them if they were also making strides to rid their club of the poisonous element. Sadly, I fear that element is simply too large, too accepted and too powerful for any group of real fans - however large - to work against without fearing for their own safety.

PeterH
04-05-2002, 05:53 AM
The football authorities have already backed away from this. Ceefax quotes them saying that has it is outside the ground they can do nothing. Effectively giving Hoolies the red carpet to create mayhem. This was all set up in advance last night and the police screwed it up again. They knew it was almost a certain flashpoint should Millwall lose so where was the intelligence.

It harks back to how annoyed I was this season when a line of intimidating riot police were strung along the top of the Holmesdale staring out the Palace fans whilst Millwall were creating mayhem behind them. Sums Millwal up and sums the police way of dealing with the situation up.

First stop, ban them from our ground next season, make the tickets all ticket to Palace season ticket holders only. Also send our entire allocation to their ground back, stamped not wanted. Its up to other clubs and their fans to vote with their feet. Some people on here may not agree this is a solution, but at least its a serious attemp at doing something. I beleive more so than anything the football authorities, police or Millwall FC will come up with in the foreseeable future.

Thatch
04-05-2002, 03:12 PM
It's just made the SBS and ABC National news down here!

Gooders
04-05-2002, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by PeterH


First stop, ban them from our ground next season, make the tickets all ticket to Palace season ticket holders only. Also send our entire allocation to their ground back, stamped not wanted. Its up to other clubs and their fans to vote with their feet. Some people on here may not agree this is a solution, but at least its a serious attemp at doing something.

Excellent ideas Peter.

As I said earlier, I will buy a Palace season ticket but I won't use it the day we play Millwall unless their fans are banned from the game. In any other area of my life I would never dream of putting myself in close proximity to such scum, so I don't see why a football match should be any different.

My self-imposed Millwall exile starts now.

Vor
04-05-2002, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by PeterH
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First stop, ban them from our ground next season, make the tickets all ticket to Palace season ticket holders only. [/B]

Sounds ok in theory.

Yes the game itself will not be blighted by their presence but I am sure the police won't get an afternoon off. And nor will it be particularly pleasant either for Palace fans or for people living in the neighbourhood.

There is just the little matter of a short train journey from New Cross and there is sadly little that can be done to stop them travelling to the area and creating mayhem during and after the game.