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Wedgy
19-05-2002, 06:38 AM
A great 3 hours of entertainment - some classic moments I'd almost forgotten.

But .... couldn't help feeling disappointed at the end, that the No1 was Maradona's goal vs England in Mexico '86 (Hand of God was also in the top 10).

Couldn't Channel 4 have "sorted it" so at least there was a more possitive No1 from the English point of view.

Or maybe it was a fair and just deserving No1 - was a first class goal (made Peter Reid look like he was in slowmo).

I'm in two minds.

Any views?

19-05-2002, 03:12 PM
i think that the idea was that the fans voted for it, so it would be unfair for c4 to fix it. i think it was the greatest moment, though i only watched the first 20 mins and the last 20 mins, so i dunno what was in the middle. though 100 seems excessive, as numbers 100 - 85 (maybe mor, i didnt see) were pointless

Boris the charltonhater
19-05-2002, 03:13 PM
I don't think it was right that they had qualifying matches in the list, they only did it so that they could include the 5-1 result.

I think it would have perhaps been better if they had done something like the top twenty world cup games, rather than the hundred greatest moments as a few seemed to be repetitive.

Daniel_Nash
19-05-2002, 03:16 PM
I missed it :(!

but now i wish i had stayed in and watched!

hellsbells
19-05-2002, 03:29 PM
i watched it in my drunken state, was not impressed with the number one, but since it's voted for by 'us, the channel 4 viewers' i suppose it's the fault of those who voted! :o

PeterH
19-05-2002, 04:16 PM
The football stuff was great. I taped it. Sometimes it needed a touch more explanation on some of the clips. Perhaps if they had removed all of the usual celebrity w@nkers from the show they would have fleshed the programme out lovely.

Still the guests they had knew and remembered so much about World Cup football going back to at least 1966 even though some of them were younger than me. They were amazing they knew the full details of facts we football fans would have to debate for ten minutes on here to get correct. At the end I wanted to smash their fed answers and comments into their smug faces. It was like watching an episode of an Audience with, perhaps the worst and most cringeworthy show ever on TV.

The Brazilian goal (number 40 something) from far out on the right that banana'd inside the post was the best shot I have ever seen.

Wedgy
19-05-2002, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Unregistered
...... though 100 seems excessive, as numbers 100 - 85 (maybe mor, i didnt see) were pointless

I didn't think they were, I was well entertained throughout the programme by all the clips (yeah, the celebs did get bloody annoying after a while though).

selhurstparkflyer
19-05-2002, 07:21 PM
I have not seen it yet but the voting is inevitably subjective and like all popular polls, is bound to concentrate on local issues.

Whilst not alive at the time, I would have to put the whole 1970 tournament as the best- there are loads of top moments in that.

The best game I have ever watched was Brazil v France in 1986.

Grim Reaper
20-05-2002, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by PeterH


The Brazilian goal (number 40 something) from far out on the right that banana'd inside the post was the best shot I have ever seen.

Good point. That goal won Brazil 3rd place at Argentina'78 and yet gets very little coverage considering how amazing it was. Everyone bangs on about that plank Pele (cue hysterical reaction but I have an article lined up for next season in OMP showing what a plonker this guy is!!!!!) yet this goal is the best Brazil goal apart from the Carlos Alberto team goal in 1970.

Grim Reaper
20-05-2002, 01:31 AM
I videoed and sort of watched it but had friends round so didn't fully take it in. Looked brilliant though. Things like the Diana Ross penalty miss were fun to have in there. Things like this should have an element of fun in them, hence the inclusion of some awful Wolrd Cup anthems as well.

Can't believe how Bryan Robson's 27 second goal v France wasn't in there though (unless I was out of the room when that came along.) Was Poland '73 in there? Thought that might have made it in.

Bit too England-orientated at time but then that was inevitable.

firesign
20-05-2002, 01:50 AM
Good light entertainment, but shouldn't be taken too seriously. My favourite moment was the bloke from Zaire running up and just booting the ball into Row Z when Brazil were lining up a free kick - absolute class :D

Anway, the thing with these 'Top 100' shows is that they're made by the same production company. What they do is get a 'celebrity' usually one from the C list, sit them down in a room, show them loads of clips about all sorts of stuff and then ask questions. So, just one days work for Lisa Rogers and all of a sudden she appears on every "I love 1970 to 1999, Football, Christmas, Easter, Pancake Day, Crap songs, Rock songs, Soap stars, adverts blah, blah, bah ad nauseum..."

Also, the Top World Cup moments had already been selected by Channel 4 (as happened on the previous Top 100 Sporting Moments) so viewers could only choose from a prescribed list.

And... I too think it ridiculous that England's 5-1 drubbing of Germany (brilliant though it was) was included. If qualifiers were allowed then England V Poland in 73 would have in the top 10, along with Beckham's free kick against Greece.

PeterH
20-05-2002, 03:02 PM
Bryan Robsons goal was there.

Not sure about this voting lark though, although it doesn't really matter.

Do 10,000 people vote their top ten moments or something. If so many would chose the same 25 moments between them. I would suggest a reasonable number of the '100 moments' were not voted by anyone.

Am I being picky. :)

AJ1969
20-05-2002, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by selhurstparkflyer
I have not seen it yet but the voting is inevitably subjective

Which voting isn't subjective :D :D :D :D :D

I thought it was a reasonably good program. Agree that the top 10 was a bit popular. Where was all the old footage? Matthews, Finney, Di Stefano, Puskas etc...???? The program was like it all started in 1962

firesign
20-05-2002, 03:08 PM
Here's the full list from www.channel4.com
100 GREATEST SPORTING MOMENTS - RESULTS
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100 One man and his dog (Greaves) 1962
99 Amokachi scores vs Greece 1994
98 Alf Ramsey loses it vs Argentina 1966
97 English hooligans riot in Marseille 1998
96 Norwegian commentator goes mental 1981
95 Gerd Muller scores the winner vs Holland 1974
94 Clive Thomas disallows a Brazilian goal 1978
93 Helmut Haller nicks the hat-trick ball 1966
92 Prince Fahid of Kuwait stops the game against France 1982
91 Butcher's blood 1989
90 Scotland on collision course for disaster 1982
89 The World Cup first Celebrity Couple: Bobby and Tina Moore 1966
88 El Loco goes on the rampage 1978
87 The World Cup's greatest hair 1998
86 Dr Socrates 1982
85 Alartichoechea's impossible save 1986
84 Bad offical world cup song:Austria 1998
83 Gerry Armstrong scores for N Ireland 1982
82 Pickles finds the cup 1966
81 Ally's Tartan Army 1978
80 Pele bursts onto the scene 1958
79 Welsh rarebit 1958
78 Waddle nearly changes the course of history 1990
77 Bobby Moore on a charge (bracelet) 1970
76 Pak Do Ik sends Italy home 1966
75 Bryan Robson scores the fastest goal 1982
74 Bonetti's blunders 1970
73 Iran beat the Great Satan 1998
72 Bobby Charlton's screamer against Mexico 1966
71 Klinsmann scores against South Korea 1994
70 Pele: the wilderness years 1962-66
69 The Reggae Boyz finest hour 1998
68 All Italian hero Toto Schillaci 1990
67 Keegan's fluff 1982
66 Worst unofficial world cup song: Dutch 1986
65 Ray Wilkins goes butch 1986
64 Germany's nemesis Letchkov 1994
63 Unlikely Irish hero Jack Charlton 1990
62 Accidentally on purpose: John Robinson's free kick 1982
61 Negrete's scissor kick vs Bulgaria 1986
60 Paolo Rossi beats Brazil 1982
59 They call it soccer: USA 1994 1994
58 Klinsmann dives for his country 1990
57 Hagi's magic 1994
56 The Mexican Wave 1986
55 Jairzinho runs rings around the Czechs 1970
54 A matter of life and death (Escobar) 1994
53 The Portugese Man O'War: Eusebio 1966
52 Underdogs Cameroon nearly beat England 1990
51 Arie Haan goes for broke 1978
50 Michael Owen, England's youngest scorer 1998
49 The worst foul ever: Schumacher on Battiston 1982
48 Kempes picks the path to glory 1978
47 Lineker's hat-trick vs Poland 1986
46 Graham Taylor does not like that 1993
45 Zico silences Scotland 1982
44 Germany records the worst ever official song 1994
43 The great Brazilian bender, Nelinho 1978
42 Bobby Charlton gets England to the final 1966
41 Battle of the giants: Rivaldo beats Schmeichel 1998
40 The ultimate spat: Rijkaard vs Voller 1990
39 The best world cup song - World in Motion 1990
38 Solo Said Owairan 1994
37 Josimar deceives Jennings 1986
36 Narey scores against Brazil 1982
35 Bobby Moore's tackle on Jairzinho 1970
34 David Beckham's first goal for England 1998
33 Halfway to paradise: Pele's lob vs Czechoslovakia 1970
32 Can we fix it? Germany and Austria collude 1982
31 David Batty misses his penalty 1998
30 Duck! Rivelino vs E Germany 1974
29 The Battle of Santiago 1962
28 Eder's sweetest dummy lest Falcao score 1982
27 Will he? Won't he? The mystery of Ronaldo 1998
26 The divine pony tails misses vs Brazil 1994
25 Maradona's disgrace 1994
24 Higuita over-reaches himself 1990
23 Did it cross the line? (Hurst) 1966
22 Maradona beats Belgium 1986
21 Beckham flips vs Argentina 1998
20 Platt's wonder goal 1990
19 Tardelli's over the moon 1982
18 Houghton's goal vs Italy 1994
17 Zaire's charge 1974
16 Better than sex: Gemmill's goal against Holland 1978
15 Pele reaches the summit 1970
14 Water water everywhere (Charlton pitchside row) 1994
13 The greatest ever save: Banks from Pele 1970
12 The Cruyff turn 1974
11 Gazza's tears 1990
10 Ireland's greatest moment: penalty shout out vs Romania 1990
9 Pele's dummy vs Uruguay 1970
8 The Hand of God 1986
7 Only Bergkamp can do this 1998
6 Englend's worst moment: Pearce/Waddle miss 1990
5 The greatest team goal: Brazil's last vs Italy 1970
4 Some people are on the pitch 1966
3 Germany 1-5 England 2001
2 Michael Owen's goal against Argentina 1998
1 Maradona's second goal against England 1986
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PeterH
20-05-2002, 05:47 PM
Top moment in the programme was in Mexico 1986. Huge flag with CPFC on it and the words SOUTH CROYDON. Was that anyone on here?

Twyford Bee
20-05-2002, 09:29 PM
It looked like a pre-presribed list. The same thing was one with the 100 greatest films. I mean, who in their right mind would have thought to vote for "crap German and Swedish theme songs" ahead of Terry Butcher's bleeding?

leekent1
20-05-2002, 09:38 PM
Who votes?

Grim Reaper
21-05-2002, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by Twyford Bee
It looked like a pre-presribed list. The same thing was one with the 100 greatest films. I mean, who in their right mind would have thought to vote for "crap German and Swedish theme songs" ahead of Terry Butcher's bleeding?

Good point. As amusing as it was to see them in there, who actually voted for them. What also bugs me is that I watch a fair bit of Channel 4 and never see the chance to vote being advertised. Did ANYONE on here vote? If so, what format was the voting?

Dave
21-05-2002, 02:23 AM
I think you will find that virtually every phone vote or poll on TV is altered for various reasons.

Boris the charltonhater
21-05-2002, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Grim Reaper


Good point. As amusing as it was to see them in there, who actually voted for them. What also bugs me is that I watch a fair bit of Channel 4 and never see the chance to vote being advertised. Did ANYONE on here vote? If so, what format was the voting?

Was it done via their website like the top 100 films vote was?

Elephant with mouse gyp
21-05-2002, 02:03 PM
The bit headlined Wilkins Goes Butch or something - was that when he was sent off, or, and I'm hoping this was it, was it when he was caught on camera saying "Give me the fukkinn ball back," to a hapless ball boy?