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Dartford Lad
09-08-2002, 02:57 PM
Grimsby boss Paul Groves is tracking Crystal Palace striker Stephen Kabba and could approach the Eagles about a long-term loan deal.
Groves has had the player watched on no less than three occasions and must decide whether or not to pursue his interest.
Kabba is the sort of pacy frontrunner the Mariners chief wants in his squad following the departure of Michael Boulding to Aston Villa during the summer.
Kabba played four times for Palace last year and was sent out on a brief loan to Luton Town.
Selhurst Park chief Trevor Francis may allow the player to link up with Grimsby if the right sort of financial package can be put together.
The blossoming friendship between Town chairman Peter Furneaux and his counterpart at Selhurst Park, Simon Jordan, would smooth any deal.

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I think this would be a good idea.


Is there a possible romance between the two chairman?!?! :D ;)

OKnotOK
09-08-2002, 02:59 PM
It'd be a good move for Kabba.

He isn't likely to get that much first team football at Palace this season with Dougie, AJ, Adebola, and a returning AA, in front of him.

And he could do with the experience cos he has a lot of potential. ANd he does really need to make some form of impact this season or else he will be looking for a more permanent move. If we can placate him with a decent loan deal then he might be happy to stay on if he proves himself.

But don't let him play against us! He's guaranteed to score.

arussell
09-08-2002, 03:00 PM
Kabba out on loan would be a good idea, to see if he improves.

Can I suggest three months at Brentford.

biggus mickus
09-08-2002, 05:08 PM
Kabba out on loan is good. For the points raised, its the right thing to do. I think he will be a good player, in the future. It could raise his worth, and at the moment, that is important.

Cleon
09-08-2002, 05:55 PM
I think Kabba can come good - his recent performances (both in the reserves and for the first team at Barnet) have been very good - and I wouldn't want to sell him at present.

On that basis a loan deal to Grimsby would give him the chance to show if he can really cut it in the First Division - I think a season long loan would be good, by which time we will be able to see if he's ever going to make it, without any risk to our own performances.

Gooders
09-08-2002, 06:08 PM
I agree with Alan - I'd rather Brentford had him. :p

Scoot
09-08-2002, 06:12 PM
A great idea as long as he is not allowed to play against us.
Co syou just know he would score the winner :D

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
11-08-2002, 04:08 AM
Me thinks he might stay put for the time being atleast.

What?
11-08-2002, 04:12 AM
Indeed, it looks like we might be needing him a little bit now, and what a goal!

PeterH
11-08-2002, 05:05 PM
I had written the lad off, I take it all back. TF has faith in him and he has repaid it with two bonus points yesterday. With Adebole unlikely to sign and Ade and AJ injured he gets his chance. Come on Steve.

casinocolin
11-08-2002, 05:41 PM
Come on given the chance he could end up our top scorer this season:p So I think we should keep him.

Cleon
12-08-2002, 01:27 PM
As the guy on Radio Five Live said, "Steven Kabba could be Palace's new Clinton Morrison" !!! :eek:

GOD
12-08-2002, 01:35 PM
Oooh-oooh Stevie Kabba :D a great song on Saturday

GreatGonzo
12-08-2002, 01:44 PM
As i said on saturday:

He is one of the worst footballers i have ever seen!

However he does have the uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time, against Crawley he had 1 good shot (like saturday) and 3 'lucky goals'.

Oh well if he keeps scoring i won't complain

arussell
12-08-2002, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by GreatGonzo
As i said on saturday:
He is one of the worst footballers i have ever seen!


Yes I do remember you saying that :D

I wouldn't quite go that far - but I know what you mean Gonzo. Kabb's does sometimes "happen" to be in the right place and there is still a lot of room for improvement in his game. I was happy with his contribution on Saturday though :p

And we also have Williams don't forget - who IS a much better player :)

wedgetail
12-08-2002, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by GreatGonzo
However he does have the uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time
A useful ability to have

Beanie
12-08-2002, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by GreatGonzo
However he does have the uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time, against Crawley he had 1 good shot (like saturday) and 3 'lucky goals'.

Define a lucky goal - one was the result of Andrejs Rubins getting to the goal line and pulling it back so that Kabba had little more than a tap, another was almost a mirror image when Wayne Routledge got through a gap he had no right to get through (his size does have some benefit :p )and a third was the result of pin ball in the box which eventually ended up falling to Kabba. Now I agree that he little to create any of these goals, but he was there in the right place at the right time. You're right - he has the lucky breaks and an uncanny knack of being in the right place -surely that is what a striker is there for.

Thin on Top
12-08-2002, 03:31 PM
On saturday, when Tommy Black came on, I counted four times where we tried to walk the ball into then net. When Kabba was introduced, he looked to shoot every time he was in the box, similar to Clinton.

We do need a six yard box player, and I doubt Adebola would have been poaching as Kabba was. I couldn't care less if he was crap everywhere else on the field.

Latvian Eagle
12-08-2002, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by GreatGonzo
As i said on saturday:

He is one of the worst footballers i have ever seen!

However he does have the uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time, against Crawley he had 1 good shot (like saturday) and 3 'lucky goals'.

Oh well if he keeps scoring i won't complain

Exactly, and if he keeps scoring some divs like Birmingham will probably come in and sign him for £2m :p Ok maybe a bit much, but someone will probably sign him for £500k and then he wont score for them. He's a very Goateresque player.

Latvian
12-08-2002, 05:37 PM
I think Kabba should stay until we've more fit strikers but then can go away for just a few months (Brentford :p ) before returning again.

Routledge is one I wouldnt mind going on loan for a full season, needs a bit of ruffing up

Celestial Empire
12-08-2002, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Latvian Eagle


Exactly, and if he keeps scoring some divs like Birmingham will probably come in and sign him for £2m :p Ok maybe a bit much, but someone will probably sign him for £500k and then he wont score for them. He's a very Goateresque player.

Goateresque eh !? :afro:
We should be so lucky !

12-08-2002, 08:10 PM
Gareth Williams scored four goals on Saturday, in Palace
Reserves' 5-1 win at Sutton United on Saturday. That makes 10 goals in 7 pre-season Reserve and First team friendlies. Kabba's goal v Preston was also his 10th in 6 games.

Jim Cannons Moustache
12-08-2002, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Dartford Lad
The blossoming friendship between Town chairman Peter Furneaux and his counterpart at Selhurst Park, Simon Jordan,




awwww bless! :love: :love: :D

Gooders
12-08-2002, 09:39 PM
Maybe we could get some fish in to the catering outlets?

Be better than the **** they serve up at the moment, anyway.

Beanie
13-08-2002, 02:57 AM
Saw today Grimsby have taken another striker on a three month loan. So, no Adebola and Steve Kabba on standby I guess.

heinz 57
13-08-2002, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Gooders
Maybe we could get some fish in to the catering outlets?



haven't you seen some of those women? :eek:

AJ
13-08-2002, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by freddykurz
Gareth Williams scored four goals on Saturday, in Palace
Reserves' 5-1 win at Sutton United on Saturday. That makes 10 goals in 7 pre-season Reserve and First team friendlies. Kabba's goal v Preston was also his 10th in 6 games.

Maybe we are all missing something here. Who is making all these goals in the reserve team? Maybe that player is the one who should be given a run in the first team.

arussell
13-08-2002, 06:27 PM
See your point - but there isn't any one player really.

A lot of it is the inventiveness of Williams or Routledge when they pickup the ball.

g23
13-08-2002, 06:30 PM
Watson and Surey sound like they're making the most of regular footy at that level, too - looking forward to seeing more of them and Smudger at Carshalton this season.

Grim Reaper
20-08-2002, 03:06 AM
Congratulations. After the humiliation on Saturday it was nice to be greeted by the sight of a Palace player on the front page of local rag the Grimsby Telegraph! Step forward Mr Kabba and take a bow.

Dave
23-08-2002, 05:39 PM
3 month loan (http://www.gtfc.co.uk/today/view/breaking_news_detail/0,,10417~260505,00.html)

Cleon
23-08-2002, 05:53 PM
Hmmm... rather play Kabba than Adebola judging by Dele's "performance" last Saturday, but cé la vie. A three month loan seems like a good opportunity for Kabba to prove to Palace that he is good enough. Much happier for him to be loaned to a team in the First Division, than to a team like Luton.

Eagle Kneevil
23-08-2002, 05:59 PM
Club websites aren't unknown to spin the odd untruth but.....

".....Clearly, Grovesie is moving fast to improve the Mariners to make them a force to be reckoned with in the First Division, and Steve Kabba's capture is another sign of his ambitions for the club."

You wouldn't get it laid on that thick even here in China!

Who Cares?
23-08-2002, 06:01 PM
When does the loan end? 3 months could be 23rd November when we play err... Grimsby:rolleyes:

No I am sure Palace would not allow that to happen would they?

Dave
23-08-2002, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Who Cares?
When does the loan end? 3 months could be 23rd November when we play err... Grimsby:rolleyes:

No I am sure Palace would not allow that to happen would they?

The load will be extended if ade is back to 100% tip top fitness by then

g23
23-08-2002, 06:03 PM
The picture they've used is of Birmingham away last year, when Kabs turned in what is by far the worst performance by any Palace striker I've ever seen. Hope he has better luck with the Mariners than he did that night.

Who Cares?
23-08-2002, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by Dave


The load will be extended if ade is back to 100% tip top fitness by then

Surely though they won't let him score, sorry, play against us will they?

Sir.S.C Remembered
24-08-2002, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by Cleon
Hmmm... rather play Kabba than Adebola judging by Dele's "performance" last Saturday, but cé la vie. A three month loan seems like a good opportunity for Kabba to prove to Palace that he is good enough. Much happier for him to be loaned to a team in the First Division, than to a team like Luton.

Are you Jordan in disguise?!?!? All these little yuppy phrases like c'est la vie

freekickuk
28-08-2002, 03:19 PM
Cant understand why we have loaned out one of the only forwards to hit a good shot all year, plus also he looks up for it.maybe we could of given him a go.

Cleon
28-08-2002, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Sir.S.C Remembered
All these little yuppy phrases like c'est la vie

:eek:

CPFC Cheerleader Observer
28-08-2002, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by freekickuk
Cant understand why we have loaned out one of the only forwards to hit a good shot all year, plus also he looks up for it.maybe we could of given him a go.

Couldnt agree more.

917L
29-08-2002, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by g23
when Kabs turned in what is by far the worst performance by any Palace striker I've ever seen.

Thats because you never saw Gareth Taylor/Mick Hill/Trevor Aylott/Andy McCulloch/etc etc! And you should consider yourself all the better for that!;)

Feather
29-08-2002, 05:59 PM
Loan looks Grim for Kabba
From The Croydon Guardian
By Joseph O Shea

Palace manager Trevor Francis has allowed Stephen Kabba, currently his most potent striker, to go on a three-month loan to Grimsby Town, and gain experience.

Former Palace trainee Kabba, 21, has been in prolific form this season, scoring four goals twice for the reserves, and hitting Palace's only winning goal, against Preston on the opening day of the season.

Francis revealed after that game that Kabba would have already gone to Grimsby on loan, if the deal to sign Dele Adebola had been agreed.

And now that Adebola has signed a one-year deal, while record-signing Ade Akinbiyi recovers from knee surgery, Francis has again decided that Kabba is surplus to requirements, and should go out on loan.

Having scored once in just 71 minutes for the first team this season, Kabba's strike rate is better than that of new signings Andrew Johnson (none in 148 minutes), Adebola (0 in 180), and even Dougie Freedman (one in 358 minutes).

Earlier this month Kabba told the Guardian: "Hopefully I can stay around the team this season and get some more appearances. It has been frustrating because I made my debut three years ago under Steve Coppell and it didn't really work out. But I feel I am ready now, because I am in a good run of form."

And Francis said at the time: "I have always wanted Steve Kabba here. He is in very good goal-scoring form and has potential, but he needs to show more consistency."

Whether Kabba will ever achieve the kind of consistency Adebola is showing in Palace colours, remains to be seen, and his loan move at Grimsby will give him a chance to prove his first-team credentials. But if the energy and enthusiasm he has shown in his brief Eagles appearances leads to a glut of goals for the Mariners, and the Eagles attack does not improve beyond their lacklustre effort at Coventry on Saturday, it could be a decision Francis comes to regret.



:D
This is Dele "1 match and a subs appearance" Adebola is it?

sydnsteve
29-08-2002, 06:38 PM
I would have thought he has more than shown Adebola's 'consistency' already. I think it is a completely stupid move, as he should have been given a chance. Johnson is not a goal scorer, he did not get 1 effort on target against Leicester, but he looks loke he could be useful on the right, with Dougie and Kabba in the middle. Stil, too late now.

It wasn't me!
30-08-2002, 04:33 PM
I feel sorry for Kabba, i think he really thought he'd make it in the 1st team this season.

Well i just hope he scores against Millwall tomorrow. If he does he may need extra security coming home. :p

RichieG
30-08-2002, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by sydnsteve
I would have thought he has more than shown Adebola's 'consistency' already. I think it is a completely stupid move, as he should have been given a chance. Johnson is not a goal scorer, he did not get 1 effort on target against Leicester, but he looks loke he could be useful on the right, with Dougie and Kabba in the middle. Stil, too late now.

Why is it too late? Loans can be re-called, usually with 1 weeks notice. It's not as if we've done a season long deal with Grimsby FFS, and this gives Kabba far more chance of first team football, in the 1st Division, with no risk to us.

He gets the chance he needs to prove himself - and if he does well we recall him and put him in the team.

What's wrong with that? Astute management if you ask me.

CPFC Cheerleader Observer
30-08-2002, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Feather

This is Dele "1 match and a subs appearance" Adebola is it?

I had noticed this and was hoping I had misread it!

Steve in Phoenix
31-08-2002, 08:35 AM
The "Dele consistancy" comment came from the journalist, not TF. . .

freekickuk
25-09-2002, 08:29 PM
grimsby have been so impressed with kubba they now want to increase his loan deal to 1 year!!!

Steve in Phoenix
25-09-2002, 08:34 PM
Seems fair enough to let em have Kabba since we got Butterfield for nothing.

I hope if we sell him, we keep a sell-on or first-option clause on him, like we should have had on Hermann and others.

c_block_lad
25-09-2002, 08:43 PM
Adebola or Kabba? I think we all know all we would rather see in the squad, Adebola there is a thing called a door, use it.

Beanie
25-09-2002, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by c_block_lad
Adebola or Kabba? I think we all know all we would rather see in the squad, Adebola there is a thing called a door, use it.

In the short term I prefer Adebola, in the longer term Kabba. Kabba will get more expereice at Grimsby than with Palace so leave him there for his three months. The season loan would be different - don't think we could recall him from that. Perhaps another three months.

BTW - not wishing to knock him. but Kabba is apparently one of only three strikers over 18 at Grimsby, and they can't buy. Could that be why they'd like to keep him?

Grim Reaper
26-09-2002, 01:41 AM
This is from today's Grimsby Telegraph (25/9/02)

"Grimsby Town want to keep striker Steve Kabba at the club for the rest of the season. The front man is on a three-month loan from Crystal Palace which will expire in November.

But the Mariners have now contacted the London club in a bid to secure the speedy striker's services for the whole of the first division campaign.

Kabba has been a big hit since Town persuaded Palace boss Trevor Francis to let him make the journey north to Blundell Park.

And the highlight so far has been his brilliant solo goal at Coventry where he used both pace and control to create the chance himself and finish it off. Despite playing in a bottom-of-the-table side which is not scoring goals, Kabba has done enough to make other first division clubs take notice.

Nottingham Forest, who crushed the Mariners 3-0 at Blundell Park on Saturday, are understood to be monitoring the situation. Leeds boss Terry Venables was reported to be at that game though he was understood to be watching Forest's talented youngsters.

Kabba (21) had been in red-hot form for Palace before making the move to Grimsby, banging in nine goals in five reserve and first team games. He was first lined up to join the Mariners two weeks before his eventual move but the deal fell through when Palace boss Trevor Francis was unable to complete the signing of Dele Adebola before the start of the season."

Could it be that the answer to our current goal problems is in Cleethorpes????? :eek:

pete eagle
26-09-2002, 01:49 AM
no he'll probably come back and revert

SHiggins
26-09-2002, 02:57 PM
With the form he's in I wouldnt extend his loan too much - maybe just a month at a time. We'll have Ade back soon so should have enough options for this season. I think Adebola is only on a 1 year deal so unless he improves I can see Kabba replacing him in the first team squad for next season hopefully a confident and stronger player with a year of first team football behind him.

Cleon
26-09-2002, 04:05 PM
When does Kabba's contract run out - isn't it the end of this season?? If so, surely we don't want him to walk on a free because he's been offered one by Grimsby, and been a hit over the season for them?

c_block_lad
26-09-2002, 04:32 PM
Kabba is a class act, Adebola is a duff, Kabba is younger and less experinced but still has scored more goals this season.

arussell
26-09-2002, 04:58 PM
Kabba certainly ISN'T a class act - but bearing in mind he's done fairly well, I'd extend it till Christmas and then call him back if he's still catching the eye.

Ian of Chatham
26-09-2002, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Could it be that the answer to our current goal problems is in Cleethorpes????? :eek:
Yes, if you are coming down to Selhurst on Sunday, don't forget to bring your boots! :D

It wasn't me!
27-09-2002, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Cleon
When does Kabba's contract run out - isn't it the end of this season?? If so, surely we don't want him to walk on a free because he's been offered one by Grimsby, and been a hit over the season for them?

Your right this is he's last season, and if can't go on a free as he's only 21. As for him going to Grimsby it's very unlikely, Grimsby may want him but he doesn't want to know!

Gooders
27-09-2002, 10:05 PM
Well, I've got my fingers crossed that the boy gets a brace or even a hat-trick this weekend. Go on Stevie boy. :p

Ruskin Old Boy
09-10-2002, 12:43 AM
He put Grimsby 1 up against Ipswich after less than 10 minutes tonight:p

wedgetail
09-10-2002, 01:09 AM
....and has just got a second.

Gooders
09-10-2002, 11:59 AM
...and he won their penalty.

Can we have him back now please? :)

dannyturner
09-10-2002, 01:01 PM
I think it has been a clever bit of business by TF.

Historically Palace would let a player like this go for a small fee, flushing the money invested in their youth development down the khazi, but look what has happened this time.

Kabba was never going to start for Palace at the beginning of the season, so sending him on loan has given him experience and a chance to boost his confidence by scoring goals at this level. Now, when he returns to Palace, he will be twice the player he was, and it will be like signing a hot new prospect.

Imagine if Palace were looking to sign a player like Kabba from another team. I would guess you would be looking at a fee of around £ 1 million. Now we get him for nothing and on relatively low wages I would guess.

Most importantly, he will come back to Selhurst with hunger, and something to prove.

So, as far as Steve Kabba is concerned, well done Trevor so far, but now the real work starts.

It wasn't me!
09-10-2002, 01:51 PM
Can't say I totally agree with that.

Kabba would have done well for palace this season, he had his heart in it. At Grimsby the team is poor, he gets no service what so ever. Regardless of some disappointing displays from Palace, they are not as bad as Grimsby, and I personally feel he'd have scored a lot more goals by now if he'd been given a chance.

I just hope he gets his chance to proof himself at Palace. He's on his last year of his contract, and we could lose him at this rate. He's got a future as he is still only 21!!

Gooders
09-10-2002, 01:54 PM
I agree - let's see what he can do (if our strikers were being prolific at the moment, there would be a case for keeping him out on loan, but they're not).

Psychokiller
09-10-2002, 02:02 PM
Knowing Palace we'll let him go for £100,000 and Grimsby will sell him on in 8 months for £6.5m.

Always happens.

Freddy Kurz
09-10-2002, 02:06 PM
The Kabba loan to Grimsby by Francis, will, hopefully, like the loans of Salako to Swansea and Shaw to Hull under Coppell, have led to an increase in confidence and a big development in his game for young Steven, who, we should remember is still only 21. By all accounts he was outstanding last night against Ipswich and his return should be a welcome boost to our strike force. Although Andy Johnson is always capable of making a positive contribution to our attack, unlike Kabba, he is not a natural goalscorer.

It wasn't me!
09-10-2002, 02:06 PM
Doubt it, Kabba doesn't want to stay at Grimsby. But he also doesn't want to being playing reserves.

Beanie
09-10-2002, 02:26 PM
TF has said that he will NOT extend the loan and wants Kabba back, so selling him seems even more unlikely (and Grimsby haven't any cash).

As for Kabba not wanting to be in Palace reserves - sorry it's all part of the job. No professional WANTS to be in the reserves, but some have to be. Given an in-form and uninjured Dougie there is only one place and by the end of November Johnson, Adebola, Akinbiyi, Kabba and Williams will be after it, it's called competition.

It wasn't me!
09-10-2002, 02:39 PM
TF hasn't said anything about wanting Kabba back, dont' believe everything you read.

At the moment I think Palace would be quite happy to leave him there that way it saves them another player's wages.

As for the playing in the reserves, obviously first team players do feature from time to time. But if he's getting regular first team play why would he settle going back to the reserves at Palace.

He might as well continue at Grimsby, get his name recognised and hopefully either Palace will wake up or he'll get a decent move which is well deserved!!!

arussell
09-10-2002, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by It wasn't me!
Doubt it, Kabba doesn't want to stay at Grimsby. But he also doesn't want to being playing reserves.


And he's got Gareth Williams breathing down his neck - who is hungry for football and is a much better player.

It wasn't me!
09-10-2002, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by arussell
And he's got Gareth Williams breathing down his neck - who is hungry for football and is a much better player.

In your opinion!

Beanie
09-10-2002, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by It wasn't me!
TF hasn't said anything about wanting Kabba back, dont' believe everything you read.

At the moment I think Palace would be quite happy to leave him there that way it saves them another player's wages.

As for the playing in the reserves, obviously first team players do feature from time to time. But if he's getting regular first team play why would he settle going back to the reserves at Palace.

He might as well continue at Grimsby, get his name recognised and hopefully either Palace will wake up or he'll get a decent move which is well deserved!!!

I didn't just read it - I originally heard it being said by Trevor Francis (unless Rory Bremner has taken to doing our beloved leader) in an interview not long after the loan started when there was a rumour that Grimsby wanted to buy him.

As for the team place - if he prefers it at Grimsby, by all means let him stay there, if he thinks its better for him to do so. As has already been said there are players who could well overtake him soon, never mind those already ahead of him. He'll have to earn his place, if he feels he's already earnt a place in the Grimsby team and doesn't believe he can gain a place in the Palace team then fine.

Personally I think he had too many rough edges and a spell in the first team at Grimsby may well have done him good and made him a better player, but just because he has played there doesn't mean he will walk into Palace team.

Ruskin Old Boy
09-10-2002, 03:16 PM
Grimsby Evening Telegraph report:

Grimsby Town hammered their first home win of the season with a thrilling 3-0 romp over Ipswich which left two-goal hero Steve Kabba purring: "We know we can score goals now."

Kabba's strikes were sandwiched by an Alan Pouton penalty - which the Crystal Palace loan striker won - and ended a seven week wait for a goal at Blundell Park.

"We know we can score goals now and we have to keep the ball rolling," declared Kabba, who is an early doubt for Saturday's clash with Watford after limping off with a hamstring injury.

"We beat Brighton and that was a good result and now we've got to follow up this win with a good result at the weekend.

"We weren't scoring before but we got two at Brighton, two at Coventry and now we've beaten Ipswich, who are a very good side.

"They're in Europe, just dropped out of the Premiership, and they're a good team. They might have just played three games in six days but they've been winning them and that's no excuse."

Kabba has been told by Palace boss Trevor Francis that he must return to Selhurst Park when his loan expires in six weeks.

But he has given Town fans a new glimmer of hope by insisting that he could yet stay with the Mariners beyond November.

"They told me they wanted me back but that was a couple of weeks ago and it keeps changing all the time.

"I just want to play first-team football, whether it's at Crystal Palace or with Grimsby. I'm really enjoying my time here and I've got an opportunity that I'm trying to grab with both hands.

"I got two goals last night and I really wanted the hat-trick but my hamstring was tight so I had to come off as a precaution."

The win saw Town bounce back from their dismal showing against Reading and Kabba praised the resilience of his team-mates.

"The attitude has been spot-on from the boys. In some of the games, when we've gone behind, the heads have gone down and it's a been a case of 'here we go again'.

"It hasn't been going for us all season, especially at home, but we've played nice football at times and we've deserved this result for a long time."

Full-back Iain Ward made his full home debut in place of skipper John McDermott and said he couldn't have asked for more from his first start - though he would have liked a goal!

"That was an unbelievable performance after Saturday. We knew we had to be positive," said Ward, who was joined in the full debut stakes by the powerful George Santos.

"It was a great result but I would have liked a goal. That would have helped but I don't think I was going to get one.

"But I got 80-odd minutes and I was happy with my performance. The lads showed great application and the work ethic was good.

"We dug in, stuck it out and it could have been 6-0. We missed chances, but 3-0 is a very good result."

STEVIE WONDER SCORES TWO AND EARNS PENALTY IN FIRST HOME WIN

arussell
09-10-2002, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by It wasn't me!
In your opinion!


Just like in your opinion Kabba is better .... but I know who scores more goals and contibutes more to the team.

Cleon
09-10-2002, 03:41 PM
Well done Kabba. I initially thought this loan move was a good idea, but the terribly disappointing start to the season our strike'force' has had caused me to reconsider pretty quickly. I'd far rather have Kabba playing for us that Andy "Busy Proving Cleon Right About My Ability To Score" Johnson.

We have some pretty lame ducks up front at the moment.

Mark87
09-10-2002, 03:45 PM
BRING KABBA BACK NOW :grrr: :moo: ???

It wasn't me!
09-10-2002, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by arussell
Just like in your opinion Kabba is better .... but I know who scores more goals and contibutes more to the team.

I've not once suggested that Kabba is better, I'm just saying that's your opinion!

What a shock, you KNOW who scores more goals etc. But how many times has Gareth Williams played first team football??

hairy beasts
09-10-2002, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Beanie
TF has said that he will NOT extend the loan and wants Kabba back, so selling him seems even more unlikely (and Grimsby haven't any cash).

As for Kabba not wanting to be in Palace reserves - sorry it's all part of the job. No professional WANTS to be in the reserves, but some have to be. Given an in-form and uninjured Dougie there is only one place and by the end of November Johnson, Adebola, Akinbiyi, Kabba and Williams will be after it, it's called competition.

I agree we should bring back Kabba and that he should earn his first team place, but I don't agree that it will be as difficult as you imagine.
AJ a better player out wide, not a natural goal scorer,
DA came on a 1 year deal (I think) and money worries at the club may see him let go, if he maintains current form that may be enough to win him a longer contract if the money is right for SJ,
AA is a TF buy will be ahead of SK when fit
and Williams has had very good reports but as yet has not really broken into the 1st team with any impact so I would think Kabba would be ahead of him.
IMO Kabba will be 3rd choice striker and will have to dislodge DF or AA when fit.

arussell
09-10-2002, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by It wasn't me!
What a shock, you KNOW who scores more goals etc. But how many times has Gareth Williams played first team football??


It's not a shock at all. I go to the games - did you not realise ?

Williams has played once for the first team (pre-season against Swansea) and he scored.

I hope Kabba's loan is extended till year end, so we can see properly if he's up to the task of first team football for us. In the meantime - since Steve Coppell was in charge, a succession of first team manager's have continually overlooked him, and up until he came back from Luton on loan last season (whose first team he didn't make BTW), he'd been poor in the reserves, missing penalties (v Millwall) and playing with little confidence. He played well in the Surrey cup final match though.

Nothing would please me more than to see a home grown strike force or Kabba and Williams make the first team and score goals, but we'll see. In Kabba's case, extending his loan at Grimsby would be benficial for both clubs.

It wasn't me!
09-10-2002, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by arussell
It's not a shock at all. I go to the games - did you not realise ?

Williams has played once for the first team (pre-season against Swansea) and he scored.

How could I not realise. You seem to mention it when ever you can! :rolleyes: So your basically saying because he scored on his only game which was only against Swansea he's better. Fair enough he scores loads of goals in the reserves but it doesn't mean he'll be able to do it in the first team. Kabba has scored for the first team at Palace and Grimsby.

I can't see how you can either compare the two at the moment!

arussell
09-10-2002, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by It wasn't me!
How could I not realise. You seem to mention it when ever you can! :rolleyes:


No not really. Having seen both players play dozens of matches - I'm merely pointing out that I'm in a position to make a judgement/offer an opinion, whereas someone like yourself who doesn't go - is once again offering opinion based on personal feelings - rather than any facts.

Kabba's record:

Palace - 9 games (7 as sub) scored 1
Southend - trial period for one month - did not play for first team
Luton - on loan for one month - 3 subs apps, no goals
Grimsby - on loan for 4 months - played 8, scored 3

It wasn't me!
09-10-2002, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by arussell
No not really. Having seen both players play dozens of matches - I'm merely pointing out that I'm in a position to make a judgement/offer an opinion, whereas someone like yourself who doesn't go - is once again offering opinion based on personal feelings - rather than any facts.

And you know for a fact I don't attend any games?? Think about it you don't even know who I am!

arussell
09-10-2002, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by It wasn't me!
And you know for a fact I don't attend any games?? Think about it you don't even know who I am!


Your postings tell me you don't (you've mentioned going to the odd one). As for your identity - well maybe you're not as secret as you think.

Anyway - does it matter ?

I've already told you - I'd be delighted if Kabba came back and made the first team permanently.

It wasn't me!
09-10-2002, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by arussell
Your postings tell me you don't (you've mentioned going to the odd one). As for your identity - well maybe you're not as secret as you think.

Anyway - does it matter ?

I've already told you - I'd be delighted if Kabba came back and made the first team permanently.

I'm make a note of that everytime I attend a game I must come and report back!

No one's trying to be secret, and if i'm not as secret as I "think" then next time you see me come and introduce yourself.

By the way, if you see me at the Gillingham match later on come and say Hi!

arussell
09-10-2002, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by It wasn't me!
By the way, if you see me at the Gillingham match later on come and say Hi!


IF I had been going today - then I might well have done that.

Have fun.

Raoul Duke
09-10-2002, 04:55 PM
I'm sorry but the sexual tension between you both is just too much. Can you just do it and get on with your lives and stop this eternal bickering.

Gooders
09-10-2002, 05:02 PM
In those shorts?

sydnsteve
09-10-2002, 06:01 PM
Whilst hating to break into the posts between arussell and It wasn't Me, I think Kabba could do a good job for us. By all accounts he played briliiantly against Ipswich, and scored 2 and was brought down for the penalty. The only game I remember him being brought on for Palace this season he looked sharp and up for it, but was not given enough time. I think AJ will eventually slide down a division, as a lot of running and effort on the wing alone is not enough, so I can see the front 3 being between DF, Ade and SK.
Probably we'll just get a reasonable combination going in time for AA to be brought back in and mess it up. Or maybe I'm just a cynic.

It wasn't me!
09-10-2002, 06:09 PM
Personally I don't think we are going to get to see Kabba at his best at Palace. I reckon he'll move on shortly!

Beanie
09-10-2002, 06:47 PM
All these opinions are fine and valid, but surely it bolis down to one thing - get him back at the end of November, getting him working alongside, Dougie, Johnson, Adebola, Akinbiyi and Williams and see what happens. If he carries on as it seems he is doing at Grimsby he'll have a good chance of playing, he'll be happy and stay. If he plays like he apparently did at Luton and Southend he won't play, won't be happy and will go.