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ChrissyN
31-08-2004, 11:28 PM
http://www.cu-fc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/ThisWeeksNewsdetail/0,,10424~559013,00.html?ptvParm=

Striker, signed in a swop with Gareth Williams

Son of Soul
31-08-2004, 11:29 PM
http://www.cu-fc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/ThisWeeksNewsdetail/0,,10424~559013,00.html

Looks like we've done a bit of last minute business with Wayne Andrews signing from Colchester and Gareth Williams going the other way.

Q2thaZ
31-08-2004, 11:29 PM
Just about to post the same thing - saw it on Teletext page 411!!

What?
31-08-2004, 11:29 PM
Well I'll Be Damned!

Mark_cpfc
31-08-2004, 11:29 PM
Taken from the Colchester official site
http://www.cu-fc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/ThisWeeksNewsdetail/0,,10424~559013,00.html


Colchester United have been involved in deadline day transfer action with the U's selling Wayne Andrews to Premiership side Crystal Palace.

Andrews, who signed for the U's in the summer of 2003 as Phil Parkinson's first permanent signing, has departed for the Premiership side in a deal that sees Gareth Williams sign for Colchester United on a permanent basis.

The U's will also receive a six figure cash sum as part of the deal, as well as future additional clauses dependent on Andrews' performance at Selhurst Park.

U's boss Phil Parkinson told the official website just before the midnight deadline passed: "First of all, we would like to wish Wayne Andrews all the very best for the future. This is an excellent opportunity for him to ply his trade at the highest level.

"We also feel that this is excellent business for Colchester United Football Club. Having signed him for nothing, Wayne's contract was up at the end of the season and he could have also left for nothing.

"Therefore, we feel we have struck an excellent deal, especially due to the fact that we have also gained a genuine goalscorer in the shape of Gareth Williams, who we welcome back to Layer Road."

James Melody
31-08-2004, 11:30 PM
Who is Wayne Andrews? Can he play left midfield??

What?
31-08-2004, 11:30 PM
EXCLUSIVE: U's Complete Sensational Swap


Colchester United have been involved in deadline day transfer action with the U's selling Wayne Andrews to Premiership side Crystal Palace.

Andrews, who signed for the U's in the summer of 2003 as Phil Parkinson's first permanent signing, has departed for the Premiership side in a deal that sees Gareth Williams sign for Colchester United on a permanent basis.

The U's will also receive a six figure cash sum as part of the deal, as well as future additional clauses dependent on Andrews' performance at Selhurst Park.

U's boss Phil Parkinson told the official website just before the midnight deadline passed: "First of all, we would like to wish Wayne Andrews all the very best for the future. This is an excellent opportunity for him to ply his trade at the highest level.

"We also feel that this is excellent business for Colchester United Football Club. Having signed him for nothing, Wayne's contract was up at the end of the season and he could have also left for nothing.

"Therefore, we feel we have struck an excellent deal, especially due to the fact that we have also gained a genuine goalscorer in the shape of Gareth Williams, who we welcome back to Layer Road."



During his time at Layer Road, Wayne made 46 league appearances, scoring 14 goals and he also notched two further strikes in cup competitions.

Welsh U21s international Williams has previously had two spells at Layer Road and scored eight goals in eleven starts in the blue and white stripes.

Now reunited with his former boss Iain Dowie, it has also proven to be quite a week for Andrews, whose partner gave birth to his second child - Ryan Tyler Andrews - at the end of last week.

We'll have the full story and reaction from all involved on Wednesday morning.

daz_eagle
31-08-2004, 11:30 PM
nice1, how much did we give them? a straight swap seems unlikely. he's pretty good by all accounts.

Sussex Eagle
31-08-2004, 11:31 PM
That was out of nowhere! Sounds like one that was made last minute after another deal fell through, but all the same, another new face is welcome!

What?
31-08-2004, 11:31 PM
Name: Wayne Andrews
Nationality: English
Date of Birth: 25/11/1977
Height: 5' 10" (178cm)
Weight: 11st 6lbs (72.64kg)
Previous
Clubs: Watford, Cambridge Utd, St Albans, Aldershot, Chesham, Oldham
Position: Striker


A powerful striker, 25-year-old Andrews made the move down south in the summer of 2003, leaving Oldham Athletic with great credit and admiration from the club's supporters. And it quickly became clear why as he finished the season with fourteen goals - a new personal best. Powerful and pacey, Wayne is a real asset up front for the U's.

daz_eagle
31-08-2004, 11:31 PM
forward, scores goals.

Mark_cpfc
31-08-2004, 11:31 PM
Damm i was beaten to it on another thread

Chris K
31-08-2004, 11:32 PM
What???? Another striker??? Something tells me we plan to start playing long ball with a 7-0-3 formation.

Sussex Eagle
31-08-2004, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by daz_eagle
nice1, how much did we give them? a straight swap seems unlikely. he's pretty good by all accounts.

It is a straight swap as Andrews contract is up this year and GW is highly rated by CU.

Son of Soul
31-08-2004, 11:32 PM
:D This must be the "raise an eyebrow" signing ID was on about, it certainly made mine twitch, another striker he loves em!

James Melody
31-08-2004, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by Chris K
What???? Another striker??? Something tells me we plan to start playing long ball with a 7-0-3 formation.

Have you some inside track? That wasn't due to come out until the press conferance in the morning!

TonbridgeEagle
31-08-2004, 11:33 PM
Ahh the good old 7-0-3 formation ;)

What?
31-08-2004, 11:33 PM
Hopefully there are another couple of these sudden transfers to be announced!

I just hope he doesnt sound African, otherwise we have our mystery African identified.

daz_eagle
31-08-2004, 11:34 PM
johnson, torghelle, freedman, ventola, kaviedes, shipperley, and now andrews.

blimey.

Sussex Eagle
31-08-2004, 11:34 PM
So -

AJ, Sanyi, Nicola, Dougie, Shipps, Kaviedes, Andrews

Let's hope Kaviedes' future is in the midfield or there's more to come otherwise we are rather uneven.

Funk Butter
31-08-2004, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by Sussex Eagle
It is a straight swap as Andrews contract is up this year and GW is highly rated by CU.

The U's will also receive a six figure cash sum as part of the deal, as well as future additional clauses dependent on Andrews' performance at Selhurst Park.
SIX FIGURE? That seems pretty damn outrageous to me. Is this guy worth a damn?

Q2thaZ
31-08-2004, 11:35 PM
http://www.cu-fc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/PlayerProfiles/0,,10424~22370,00.html

Another "Powerful" Striker to add to the squad!!

Notice that his career record notes that he left Bob Dowie's Chesham to join Iain Dowie's Oldham - I remember this Chesham - Oldham - Palace transfer link before (Fitz Hall) The next one is?!

cpfc_spc1982
31-08-2004, 11:35 PM
odd move.

daz_eagle
31-08-2004, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Sussex Eagle
It is a straight swap as Andrews contract is up this year and GW is highly rated by CU.

i just read that we'll be giving them a '6 figure sum' as well as GW.

maestro
31-08-2004, 11:36 PM
Wasnt chesham Bob Dowie's team?

Sussex Eagle
31-08-2004, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by What?
Hopefully there are another couple of these sudden transfers to be announced!

I just hope he doesnt sound African, otherwise we have our mystery African identified.

Can't imagine he does. Here's to Diao & Petit in the morning! *searches for 'pulls collar nervously' smiley*

What?
31-08-2004, 11:36 PM
I think Kavedis is likely to be our creative midfielder then.

daz_eagle
31-08-2004, 11:37 PM
andrews johnson up front, that'll confuse em, they'll think we're going with one up.

ChrissyN
31-08-2004, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by Sussex Eagle
So -

AJ, Sanyi, Nicola, Dougie, Shipps, Kaviedes, Andrews

Let's hope Kaviedes' future is in the midfield or there's more to come otherwise we are rather uneven.

Looks like he will probably be playing on one of the wings from now on

Sussex Eagle
31-08-2004, 11:38 PM
Really? Well, with that kind of vagueary probably means it's 100-250k imo.

lordanton
31-08-2004, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by daz_eagle
andrews johnson up front, that'll confuse em, they'll think we're going with one up.

:p

PoolKing
31-08-2004, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
SIX FIGURE? That seems pretty damn outrageous to me. Is this guy worth a damn?

Why didn't we just sell Williams to Colchester? I don't see this guy adding anything to our squad.

Sussex Eagle
31-08-2004, 11:39 PM
I hope Andrews develops into a Ellington/Harewood style bit of muscle to create space for AJ. This MUST be the end for Shipps with THREE big men ahead of him!

daz_eagle
31-08-2004, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Why didn't we just sell Williams to Colchester? I don't see this guy adding anything to our squad.

i've heard very good things about him to be fair, would certainly prefer him to GW on word of mouth alone.

ChrissyN
31-08-2004, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Why didn't we just sell Williams to Colchester? I don't see this guy adding anything to our squad.

Look, lets be honest: none of us know what he's like, he could be absolutely amazing. He worked with Dowie at Oldham, so he probably knows what he can bring to the squad

cpfc_spc1982
31-08-2004, 11:41 PM
this deal could make some of the others this summer look shrewd.

What?
31-08-2004, 11:41 PM
We are turning in to Dowies Oldham, and we beat them 3-0 when we were crap.

thomasmc
31-08-2004, 11:42 PM
HES A FRIGIN STRIKER! Y OH Y OH Y wud prefer 2 keep Williams!? Maybe he wants 2 play 2-1-7 or sumin?

SinoEagle
31-08-2004, 11:42 PM
give the guy a chance, the dowies have both had a look at him for a long period they know wot they r getting into surely. all i have to say is he is a useful signing until proven not so.:)

Q2thaZ
31-08-2004, 11:42 PM
http://www.oldhamathletic.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Profiles/0,,10337~24135,00.html

Here's our Creative Midfielder - Ernie Cooksey of ............

Oldham

Former clubs:

Crawley Town and ........ Chesham!!!!!!!!!!

RDSdaEAGLE
31-08-2004, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by What?
We are turning in to Dowies Oldham, and we beat them 3-0 when we were crap.

:clown:

ChrissyN
31-08-2004, 11:43 PM
http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=223155&CPID=8&CLID=&lid=2&title=Palace+land+Andrews

made sky now as well

thomasmc
31-08-2004, 11:44 PM
Dowie loves his ex Oldham players!

What?
31-08-2004, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by RDSdaEAGLE
:clown:

That wasnt meant to be another slur, it just kind of came out that way! :eek:

Sussex Eagle
31-08-2004, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by cpfc_spc1982
this deal could make some of the others this summer look shrewd.

Most of them already do. To me, at least.

CPFC987
31-08-2004, 11:47 PM
I saw him score a great goal earlier on this season. looks impressive!

Slimbloke'H'
31-08-2004, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Why didn't we just sell Williams to Colchester? I don't see this guy adding anything to our squad. ...And you know bundles about him, do you?

Jammy Dodja
31-08-2004, 11:48 PM
ID has not signed any midfield players as he knows SJ hates middle men so he is loading the team with strikers so that they can shoot from any where on the pitch ;)

ChrissyN
31-08-2004, 11:50 PM
And think about what Jon Stead did at Blackburn last year

What?
31-08-2004, 11:50 PM
According to SS we have Landed him, whats the differance between swooping and landing?

Q2thaZ
31-08-2004, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by What?
According to SS we have Landed him, whats the differance between swooping and landing?

Obviously it means that the deal is now "Over the line" :D :D :D

gjtango
31-08-2004, 11:53 PM
http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?threadid=90668

PoolKing
31-08-2004, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by Slimbloke'H'
...And you know bundles about him, do you?

No, but with the strikers we already have it'll be impossible for him to get in the first team. I can only see him being a reserve player. He is going to be in exactly the same position as Williams so what's the point in signing him?

thomasmc
31-08-2004, 11:53 PM
can we sell players like Dougie and Ships now da transfer deadline closed? Or does it mean we just cant sign any players? Coz dowie said some people would leave as a result of his new signings? Dunno y we buying strikers we need a midfielder!

ChrissyN
31-08-2004, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by thomasmc
can we sell players like Dougie and Ships now da transfer deadline closed? Or does it mean we just cant sign any players? Coz dowie said some people would leave as a result of his new signings? Dunno y we buying strikers we need a midfielder!

I think we can still sell them to Nationwide teams, but dont hold me to that :)

thomasmc
31-08-2004, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by gjtango
http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?threadid=90668

Yeah be fair look at the time both were started, he didnt know someone else was creating the same thread! Anyway hape he is an excellent midfielder 2?

daz_eagle
31-08-2004, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by ChrissyN
I think we can still sell them to Nationwide teams, but dont hold me to that :)

i think that is the case also. but don't you dare hold me to that either.

Jammy Dodja
31-08-2004, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by Chris K
What???? Another striker??? Something tells me we plan to start playing long ball with a 7-0-3 formation.


ID has not signed any midfield players as he knows SJ hates middle men so he is loading the team with strikers so that they can shoot from any where on the pitch ;)

Jasper
31-08-2004, 11:58 PM
not sure in the point of this signing. We are desperately in need of at least one if not 2 central midfielders and all we are buying is strikers and central defenders.

RDSdaEAGLE
31-08-2004, 11:58 PM
It was a swap. We've replaced like for like.

The only difference is that Andrews has genuine first team experience.

Q2thaZ
31-08-2004, 11:59 PM
You're all forgetting wayne - 6-1-3!!

Gazz
31-08-2004, 11:59 PM
interesting peice of business

Slimbloke'H'
01-09-2004, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
No, but with the strikers we already have it'll be impossible for him to get in the first team. I can only see him being a reserve player. He is going to be in exactly the same position as Williams so what's the point in signing him? By your own admission you know nothing about the lad, yet are convinced he's not going to make the first team.

So how does that work then?

cpfc_spc1982
01-09-2004, 12:00 AM
why would buying this guy mean selling dougie - dougie has a better goal return than him and at a much higher level.

ChrissyN
01-09-2004, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
No, but with the strikers we already have it'll be impossible for him to get in the first team. I can only see him being a reserve player. He is going to be in exactly the same position as Williams so what's the point in signing him?
As i said before, remember Stead at Blackburn

Q2thaZ
01-09-2004, 12:04 AM
If Andrew's turns out to be half as consistant as Boyce then Ventola will find himself on the bench, Torgelle in the reserves and Shipperley playing for Brighton!!

PoolKing
01-09-2004, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by Slimbloke'H'
By your own admission you know nothing about the lad, yet are convinced he's not going to make the first team.

So how does that work then?

Well H, One would certainly expect Johnson, Torghelle, Ventola, Kaviedes, Shipperley and Freedman to be ahead of him so it'll certainly be difficult for the lad. Nothing's impossible though:)

Slimbloke'H'
01-09-2004, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
...Nothing's impossible though:) You just said it will be!

Make your mind up! :)

Jammy Dodja
01-09-2004, 12:09 AM
Is that it then 2 from Inter 1 from from Colchester dare we expect more?

A Wooden Fish On Wheels
01-09-2004, 12:11 AM
I think we are building a squad for the future, no frees on massive wages, no old duffers seeing out their careers, no bidding wars with other clubs for household names, instead we are tending to sign younger players with potential who will benefit under the Dowie regime. If it isn't enough to survive this year... sod it, we shouldn't really be here in the first place ;)

Q2thaZ
01-09-2004, 12:12 AM
Hence why Ernie Cooksey will be next ....

glaziers fan
01-09-2004, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by ChrissyN
As i said before, remember Stead at Blackburn

Except that Andrews is about 8 years older:rolleyes:

I feel we are already preparing for life in div1.

cpfc_spc1982
01-09-2004, 12:15 AM
stead was also being tracked by man utd and liverpool.

Jammy Dodja
01-09-2004, 12:16 AM
It does not give the prem a good name if you need 100 mil just to stay up. Its getting like formula 1 racing good for 1 or 2 teams but a waste of time for the rest of us.

Q2thaZ
01-09-2004, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by glaziers fan
Except that Andrews is about 8 years older:rolleyes:

I feel we are already preparing for life in div1.

No Just not stretching beyond our means - SJ doesn't want to be remembered as another Goldberg

ChrissyN
01-09-2004, 12:16 AM
ok then, forget stead :D

RDSdaEAGLE
01-09-2004, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by glaziers fan
I feel we are already preparing for life in div1.

Fans like you most certainly seem to be.

I'll be damned if Dowie is anything like that.

And personally, I think we've improved our squad far beyond what it was a few weeks ago.

Sussex Eagle
01-09-2004, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by cpfc_spc1982
why would buying this guy mean selling dougie - dougie has a better goal return than him and at a much higher level.

I doubt it - He is more likely to get rid of Shipps, who is unlikely to ever be physically up to it, having missed pre-season.

Even if WA is only slightly superior backup to GW (At a guess, he's probably 5th/6th in line up front), it's worth it so as to be a better team in times of trouble. If he's any better than that, great!

Kirby
01-09-2004, 12:21 AM
Not convinced by this piece of business, but good luck to Gareth and Wayne. Hopefully they'll both end up doing well!

Q2thaZ
01-09-2004, 12:22 AM
What everyone is forgetting is that he must have Something going for him if Dowie has signed him before

cpfc_spc1982
01-09-2004, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by Q2thaZ
What everyone is forgetting is that he must have Something going for him if Dowie has signed him before

dowie was then in control of a division 2 club with limited money.

Q2thaZ
01-09-2004, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by cpfc_spc1982
dowie was then in control of a division 2 club with limited money.

But he wouldn't waste his time getting him on board if he didn't think he could add to the squad

The Vicar
01-09-2004, 12:26 AM
I'd take a midfielder from the lower leagues with good potential...but not another forward.

The Vicar
01-09-2004, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by Jasper
We are desperately in need of at least one if not 2 central midfielders and all we are buying is strikers and central defenders.

You can say that again.

winston the dog
01-09-2004, 01:30 AM
i think we need to take a breath on this one for a minute... ahhh... ok.
when dowie came on board we were all excited about the prospect of him using his lower league knowledge, and contacts to unearth some gems... don't see why we now are upset that we have potentially been shrewd on this move... just be calm, dowie is really doing what he can, and not only that, what we want. (vic, the central midfield bit aside obviously)

eaglei_uk
01-09-2004, 03:54 AM
An interesting transfer. Obviously Dowie knows a lot about Andrews so I will have to trust his judgement on this.

Lion
01-09-2004, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by RDSdaEAGLE
Fans like you most certainly seem to be.

I'll be damned if Dowie is anything like that.

And personally, I think we've improved our squad far beyond what it was a few weeks ago.

Indeed. I'm really starting to get sick and tired and 'fans' like glaziers fan. I really did think I would never need to use the ignore fuction on this board.

I was wrong.

Men At Work
01-09-2004, 05:44 AM
Is this the signing that has everyone raising their eyebrows? :)

Panman268
01-09-2004, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by Chris K
What???? Another striker??? Something tells me we plan to start playing long ball with a 7-0-3 formation.

Playing seven strikers at the back? :)

Hedgie
01-09-2004, 06:54 AM
Last time we were in the Premiership we spent a similar amount on Marcus Bent from the lower leagues and he showed up several of the more expensive players / bigger names. Adds another striking option and has more experience than Gareth. Not sure from looking at his history that he really is likely to cut it in the Premiership, but our future is uncertain. He looks to be one for the future, if we go back down.

Sadly he appears to be cup tied for the Carling Cup, so for the one game you would hope to use him he will be unavailable!

Ralph
01-09-2004, 07:32 AM
Hope he doesnt turn out to be as good as Lua Lua :rolleyes:

Essexeagle
01-09-2004, 07:43 AM
What...you mean we could sell him for £1.75m soon?

My brother lives in Colchester and follows the U's and he is gutted. Said Wayne Andrews was one of the main reasons they are in the top 3 in League One at the moment.

Gary O
01-09-2004, 07:50 AM
Anyone remember a certain IAN WRIGHT around 26 years old plucked from non league obscurity ! Ian Dowie is a fantastic manager dare I say the best we've ever had ! Stop your ••••in whinging and get behind OUR team whoever the manager decides to buy or play !

hernehilleagle
01-09-2004, 07:55 AM
Good signing

Fatman
01-09-2004, 07:59 AM
lot of negativity about him on this thread.....I have complete faith in ID and what he and Jordan want to achieve...why are we writing him off before he's even kicked a ball.???????

james powell
01-09-2004, 08:02 AM
Its rediculas(sp?) we've got 7 strikers fighting for 2 positions.
who is going to be up front then:-

1 Aj and ventola?
2 Aj and torghelle?
3 Ventola and torghelle? :bash:

Neil 154
01-09-2004, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by james powell
Its rediculas(sp?)

I thought my spelling was bad.

Men At Work
01-09-2004, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by james powell
Its rediculas(sp?) we've got 7 strikers fighting for 2 positions.

Given that two of them are injured that makes 5 going for two starting spots. With one on the bench that means two currently don't make the matchday squad. Even fewer if we go for three up front :)

Flappy Chicken
01-09-2004, 08:29 AM
Why?

WeeOrangeMonkey
01-09-2004, 08:33 AM
I never thought I'd see people getting annoyed about having a decent amount of quality strikers.

The reason teams like us go down is because we have no depth in squad. If we got three or four injuries up front, we'd have no firepower whatsoever. Also, a bit of competition does no harm to strikers, makes them hungry to stay in the team - and remember, Dowie was a striker, so he probably understands the mentality.

arussell
01-09-2004, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
That seems pretty damn outrageous to me. Is this guy worth a damn?

Not in my opinion.

I've seen him play a number of times, certainly not a premier league class player !

It was only a matter of time before Dowie signed him though, for some reason he's always been keen on him.

I think we've come off worse in this deal :(

nottsunieagle
01-09-2004, 08:37 AM
we can definately sell players to rolla-cola teams if we need to as their deadline is march.

i'm surprised we've signed him, as has been mentioned before, we have plenty of strikers. however dowie took this guy from non-league football, and did the same with a certain one-size, so this guy could well do a job for us.

i'm pleased with our deadline acquisitions, even though i felt that we needed midfielders. yet can anyone remember, apart from maybe kily, any midfielders we've been officially linked with in the last week or so? i can't. dowie probably thinks we've got enough there, so lets see what happens.

chav_hater
01-09-2004, 08:39 AM
But anyone can see that the real quality and depth that you need in the Premier League is not there.

Great Lombardi
01-09-2004, 08:46 AM
Now confirmed on the club site.

Clapham Grand
01-09-2004, 08:52 AM
We have scored three goals in four games. Clearly the forward issue was a problem (cue someone saying that the problem was the service to them cos of the lack of creative midfielders).

This must mean Kaviedes will be used as the creative midfielder

Gerry from Sussex
01-09-2004, 08:53 AM
I wonder if ID is considering switching to 4-3-3 - if not, we are going to have a lot of non-playing strikers.

sydnsteve
01-09-2004, 08:55 AM
Sounds a good bit of business for Colchester to me, esp as Williams has clearly outscored Andrews in his stints at Colchester. Hope to be proved wrong however.
Whoever tried to compare him with Ian Wright is a bit off the mark, as he was playing non league football when we got him, this guy has been in the league for a while.

Gerry from Sussex
01-09-2004, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by Clapham Grand
We have scored three goals in four games. Clearly the forward issue was a problem (cue someone saying that the problem was the service to them cos of the lack of creative midfielders).

This must mean Kaviedes will be used as the creative midfielder

I do think lack of service has been the second biggest problem. The biggest problem has been not keeping possession enough, so we are on the back foot too much. Our over-reliance on AJ will become a problem at some stage though, either due to injury or a dip in form, so I'm certainly not unhappy about getting some reinforcements.

JamieBcpfc
01-09-2004, 09:18 AM
Maybe we should sign this bloke http://www.oldhamathletic.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Profiles/0,,10337~24525,00.html

Now this deal is a shock, for god sake trust Dowie though he knows what he is doing, he obviously knows Wayne Andrews a lot, so He must know why he signed him

Axeman
01-09-2004, 09:19 AM
I live in Essex about 25 mins away from Layer Road. I pop down there occasionally.This guy looks good to me and I often said that I wouldn't mind him at the palace.
Good buy in my opinion withot doubt.
Trust ID on this.Without doubt a good signing.

Chaddy12
01-09-2004, 09:24 AM
I'm shocked you've signed Wayne Andrews, we loved him at Oldham until he left, he's one of the fastest players around but isn't the greatest goalscorer. So that takes three ex oldham players at Palace then :p. Seeing as Dowie is signing up all his ex Oldham players, whay can't he come back and sign some of the waste of space players he brought to oldham:)

Axeman
01-09-2004, 09:28 AM
Well I thought his pace was a great asset when I have seen him play.He seemed strong and confident in front of goal being particularly strong in the air.

Men At Work
01-09-2004, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by Chaddy12
he's one of the fastest players around but isn't the greatest goalscorer

I'm sure that was said about another of our players a couple of years ago...

Hypodam
01-09-2004, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Chaddy12
Seeing as Dowie is signing up all his ex Oldham players, why can't he come back and sign some of the waste of space players he brought to oldham:)

Was there many of those?

Benzhiyi
01-09-2004, 09:39 AM
Don't know much about Andrews, but would like to wish Gareth all the best for the future. :)

Eddie McGoldrick's tash
01-09-2004, 09:43 AM
surprised.

glaziers fan
01-09-2004, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by cpfc_spc1982
stead was also being tracked by man utd and liverpool.

Exactly. I have it on good authority that Andrews was only being scouted by Yeovil

eagles #1
01-09-2004, 09:47 AM
well, we now have two super Wayne's :lux: :)

eagles #1
01-09-2004, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by glaziers fan
Exactly. I have it on good authority that Andrews was only being scouted by Yeovil dont disrespect the Yeovil!! there a top quality league 2 team! :(

glaziers fan
01-09-2004, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by WeeOrangeMonkey
I never thought I'd see people getting annoyed about having a decent amount of quality strikers.

The reason teams like us go down is because we have no depth in squad. If we got three or four injuries up front, we'd have no firepower whatsoever. Also, a bit of competition does no harm to strikers, makes them hungry to stay in the team - and remember, Dowie was a striker, so he probably understands the mentality.

If we have 4 strikers injured there are still 2 to play and ove for cover. If Granville is injured, Kolkka is injured and Aki/Hughes get injured it means we'd be over-run in midfield, unable to provide ammunition to the strikers and destroyed down our left-flank whilst at the same time being very predictable and one-sided ourselves. Was it really a good idea to get another striker in????:rolleyes:

Mr Palace
01-09-2004, 09:57 AM
Amazing! Apparently, Williams scored 8 goals in 15 games while on loan at Colchester last season. How many did Andrews score in the whole season? 12! This is a very strange transfer.

Great Lombardi
01-09-2004, 09:57 AM
dont disrespect the Yeovil!! there a top quality league 2 team!

Come on you Glovers!!!!:lux:

Rasheed Harkouk
01-09-2004, 09:57 AM
I live near Colchester and on occaision i've paid a visit to Layer Road and i have to say i've not been impressed by Wayne Andrews. The guy is quick but his control is not great and he has not a lot other than speed in his locker. I hope the guy proves my wrong but the term 'Headless Chicken' seems apt.

glaziers fan
01-09-2004, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by RDSdaEAGLE


And personally, I think we've improved our squad far beyond what it was a few weeks ago.

Really?! Care to expand this statement? Is Sorondo going to take over from Popovic/Hudson then? Did you not think they were doing well? Is Kaviedes the answer to our central midfield problems? Did you think Aki was performing badly? Do you think Hall is a midfield player?

We've definitely improved the SIZE of our squad. Have we improved the quality of our first-team?? Have we improved our cover in case of injuries? The squad of players don't all run out onto the pitch together on a saturday. They're not invincible either. What happens if Granville or Kolkka get injured? Do you say "well at least we got that other centre-back + striker in to sit on the bench. Let's just trust Dowie to play a right-footed player there or someone with no experience. I'm sure that will improve the team"??

WeeOrangeMonkey
01-09-2004, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by glaziers fan
If we have 4 strikers injured there are still 2 to play and ove for cover. If Granville is injured, Kolkka is injured and Aki/Hughes get injured it means we'd be over-run in midfield, unable to provide ammunition to the strikers and destroyed down our left-flank whilst at the same time being very predictable and one-sided ourselves. Was it really a good idea to get another striker in????:rolleyes:

I think it was - although yes, we should also have purchased at least one midfielder. Hopefully we'll get someone out of contract - not likely, but fingers crossed.

The most obvious thing to come from all of this is that Hall has obviously been bought with a midfield position in mind.

glaziers fan
01-09-2004, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by Clapham Grand
We have scored three goals in four games. Clearly the forward issue was a problem (cue someone saying that the problem was the service to them cos of the lack of creative midfielders).

This must mean Kaviedes will be used as the creative midfielder

Well how many chances has AJ + the strikers missed? Not that many! We have defended resolutely, and if we had more of an attacking threat, we would have conceded less and scored more. Routledge is the only player with assists so far!! That means that the left-winger Kolkka is not doing his bit, although admittedly we are only 4 games into the season and things will hopefully change. Torghelle + Ventola will make a big difference.

Kaviedes can't be used as a creative midfielder. We'd get murdered through the middle. Our style of play is through the wings and big centre-forward. Let's hope they start delivering more.

glaziers fan
01-09-2004, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Men At Work
I'm sure that was said about another of our players a couple of years ago...

Really? Was he 26 like Andrews? Or was he a promising youth player? Let's hope Andrews is close to being the finished article, cos he'll be retiring in about 4 year's time. His best years are now.

glaziers fan
01-09-2004, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by WeeOrangeMonkey
I think it was - although yes, we should also have purchased at least one midfielder. Hopefully we'll get someone out of contract - not likely, but fingers crossed.

The most obvious thing to come from all of this is that Hall has obviously been bought with a midfield position in mind.

That's not what Dowie has been quoted as saying. Hall is only filling in, although maybe he's had a re-think, which does seem a bit strange considering Hall was our worst player at Middlesboro by some distance.

We should have purchased at least one midfielder? What about left-wing or left-back?! Don't you think we should have signed the midfielder, winger and full back FIRST before we increased the number of strikers from six to seven??

cpfclife
01-09-2004, 10:44 AM
Who the hell is this guy does anyone have any idea or info on him?

Lion
01-09-2004, 10:48 AM
Yes. Look at the other threads - maybe even the other one in the Transfer forum dedicated to his signing.

Daveyboyross
01-09-2004, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Lion
Yes. Look at the other threads - maybe even the other one in the Transfer forum dedicated to his signing.
Novel idea;)

henryhallandhisbasque
01-09-2004, 10:49 AM
Useful scorer in lower leagues I believe. Think he played for Dowie at Oldham and also for Dowie's brother at Chesham. Must be in his later twenties now.

Thinker&Thicket
01-09-2004, 10:53 AM
Previously a journeyman footballer with Watford and Oldham. Average height and speed but deceptively powerful. Another example of Dowie's ability to improve a player as his scoring record at Oldham advanced to one every three games. This continued in a winning Colchester side last season.

Maybe he'll be another John Stead.More likely to be a squad player this season and coming into his own next season.

Great Lombardi
01-09-2004, 10:54 AM
I am hoping Andrews could turn out like another fast, raw striker bought from the lower leagues. Chris Armstrong, who almost kept us up.

henryhallandhisbasque
01-09-2004, 10:56 AM
I think these sort of signings are good. Because in the wake of getting anybody more high-profile on a non-loan, then if..if we go down this season, we have a much better equipped squad to do well in the Championship and come back to the Prem a better and more experienced outfit.

Jim Cannons Moustache
01-09-2004, 10:58 AM
He took on the double barrelled name after his mother married Tom Baker.

Rasheed Harkouk
01-09-2004, 10:58 AM
Wayne is not a big striker, he is just fast, that is all. Nothing more, nothing less as far as i can see. He is not particularly strong and he isn't particularly skillfull but he is quick. We shall see, Dowie has been after him for a while so maybe he knows something we don't but this is a signing that suprises and disapoints me.

ChrissyN
01-09-2004, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by Rasheed Harkouk
Wayne is not a big striker, he is just fast, that is all. Nothing more, nothing less as far as i can see. He is not particularly strong and he isn't particularly skillfull but he is quick. We shall see, Dowie has been after him for a while so maybe he knows something we don't but this is a signing that suprises and disapoints me.

I'm sure he probably does know something we dont

After all, he was his manager at Oldham, and all a few of us have seen of him is a few matches, if that.

Good to see you're all giving him a chance though

Rasheed Harkouk
01-09-2004, 11:15 AM
I hope the guy does well i really do and i'll get behind anybody who's wearing a Palace shirt. I was disapointed because i don't think he can cut it at Championship level let alone the Premiership and he isn't a midfielder :rolleyes:
Never mind, come on Wayne and prove me wrong, skin the buggers.

AndyStreet
01-09-2004, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by glaziers fan
Really? Was he 26 like Andrews? Or was he a promising youth player? Let's hope Andrews is close to being the finished article, cos he'll be retiring in about 4 year's time. His best years are now.

Yes because all footballers retire at 30. Another wondrous pearl of wisdom from Glaziers Fan.

Gark Moldberg
01-09-2004, 11:23 AM
It's interesting that those of us who have seen him play seem more pessimistic about this than the rest. I can't say that I'm surprised that he has ended up here. I think it says an awful lot more about the manager's opinion of Gareth Williams than it does of the ability of Wayne Andrews.

Benzhiyi
01-09-2004, 11:26 AM
Maybe Dowie feels that he has the raw talent and that with a bit of coaching he can IMPROVE him into a Premiership player.

Think how much AJ, Butterfield and Hudson have improved since their first games at the club - who's to say Andrews won't do the same?

hernehilleagle
01-09-2004, 11:34 AM
I'm very pleased with this signing, good squad player

hernehilleagle
01-09-2004, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Benzhiyi
Maybe Dowie feels that he has the raw talent and that with a bit of coaching he can IMPROVE him into a Premiership player.

Think how much AJ, Butterfield and Hudson have improved since their first games at the club - who's to say Andrews won't do the same?

Totally agree :p

NRM the 2nd
01-09-2004, 11:51 AM
Well I remember last time in the prem, losing nearly every striker on the books to injury at the same time. Hopefully shouldn't be a problem this time round.

adrenalin john
01-09-2004, 11:53 AM
I trust in Dowie he is building a squad and it seems up front he wants two players for every scenario;

a speedy goal scorer first choice AJ second choice Andrews

a big powerful target man first Choice Torgelle second choice shipps

a creative in the hole midfielder/withdrawn striker/ link man first choice Kaiviedes second Dougie Freedman

and of course like most master chefs he also needs a dash of Italian influence so has Ventola.

Raoul Duke
01-09-2004, 12:16 PM
After reading several online profiles on Wayne Andrews it seems that the lad is:
very fast
left footed
has a decent cross.

Maybe Dowie wants to use him as left wing back up???

Barquoir
01-09-2004, 12:31 PM
just spoken to a die hard colchester fan, who didn't know it had happened, but was thinking something was up as andrews was left out of the squad that played hartlepool. He was gutted as this guy is the "star of the team, main asset is his pace as mentioned, but has the same characteristics as a certain aj as always gives 100%, good at winding up opposition players and fans and never stops running. He has scored 2 in three this season, but is purely a right footed striker, who has played on the right wing very occasionally, definitely not left footed though. Looks to me like a good squad player who will trouble defences late on as a sub bcos of his pace, my mate was well disappointed, i think a solid yet unexciting signing, but he'll give his all.

Shane
01-09-2004, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Barquoir
just spoken to a die hard colchester fan, who didn't know it had happened, but was thinking something was up as andrews was left out of the squad that played hartlepool. He was gutted as this guy is the "star of the team, main asset is his pace as mentioned, but has the same characteristics as a certain aj as always gives 100%, good at winding up opposition players and fans and never stops running. He has scored 2 in three this season, but is purely a right footed striker, who has played on the right wing very occasionally, definitely not left footed though. Looks to me like a good squad player who will trouble defences late on as a sub bcos of his pace, my mate was well disappointed, i think a solid yet unexciting signing, but he'll give his all.

Sounds good to me.

At least he should be committed to the cause which is something that we will definitely be in need off.

Hard working players can often make up the gap in quality, given the right opportunity.

How about we give the guy a chance? He sounds like a decent squad player.
:p

Clapham Grand
01-09-2004, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by glaziers fan
Well how many chances has AJ + the strikers missed? Not that many! We have defended resolutely, and if we had more of an attacking threat, we would have conceded less and scored more. Routledge is the only player with assists so far!! That means that the left-winger Kolkka is not doing his bit, although admittedly we are only 4 games into the season and things will hopefully change. Torghelle + Ventola will make a big difference.

Kaviedes can't be used as a creative midfielder. We'd get murdered through the middle. Our style of play is through the wings and big centre-forward. Let's hope they start delivering more.

Fair point. Our wingers must start putting him some telling crosses. This will be helped by having a tall striker alongside AJ

rossi18
01-09-2004, 01:55 PM
Wayne Andrews has left Colchester to join Crystal Palace on a two-year deal for an undisclosed fee described as a "six-figure sum" by the Us.

what a waste of money

Big Fella
01-09-2004, 02:43 PM
I see him as a back up to AJ. If Aj got injured, we would have zero pace up front. Torghelle is strong but not quick, Ventola used to be quick, but don't know about now, Dougie has lost a couple of yards and Shipps..well. He reminds me a bit of Steven Kabba!

LP
01-09-2004, 02:54 PM
I suppose the idea behind a signing like this is that it gives us another option and if we do go down then this may be a useful player for us in the Championship next season. It makes me think that Black, Freedman and Shipperley's futures at the club are looking a bit uncertain.

Sussex Eagle
01-09-2004, 02:56 PM
I think chances are we only have 5 first team strikers in reality - Kaviedes will play in midfield, Shipps has 3 players who can probably do what he does better ahead of him, and may now got Rotherham or similar.

glaziers fan
01-09-2004, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Clapham Grand
Fair point. Our wingers must start putting him some telling crosses. This will be helped by having a tall striker alongside AJ

Thanks for not arguing with me out of spite, just because we have had arguments in the past! With Torghelle/Ventola next to AJ I'm sure we'll be more potent. It needs Kolkka to whip in some early crosses left-footed, like he did for Hughes' chance up at the Riverside, which was our best opportunity of the game. He's definitely got some ability:)

glaziers fan
01-09-2004, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Big Fella
I see him as a back up to AJ. If Aj got injured, we would have zero pace up front. Torghelle is strong but not quick, Ventola used to be quick, but don't know about now, Dougie has lost a couple of yards and Shipps..well. He reminds me a bit of Steven Kabba!

Torghelle is not slow.

Clapham Grand
01-09-2004, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by glaziers fan
Thanks for not arguing with me out of spite, just because we have had arguments in the past! With Torghelle/Ventola next to AJ I'm sure we'll be more potent. It needs Kolkka to whip in some early crosses left-footed, like he did for Hughes' chance up at the Riverside, which was our best opportunity of the game. He's definitely got some ability:)

LOL! Maybe one day we'll agree on Kollka's ability :p

Freddy Kurz
01-09-2004, 04:08 PM
Although Colchester may well have got the
better part of this deal in that they have
cashed in on a player whose contract was
running out and replaced him with a much
younger man, already a Welsh U21 intern-
ational and with much greater goal-scoring
potential in a lower League. But Dowie
has opted for a player he knows who has
proven pace and experience at many levels
including non-League, who, quite late in
his career has begun scoring goals at a
good rate. It is likely he will be used as a
sub to be brought on late in a game to
replace one of our regular strikers.
Welcome Wayne and good luck to Gareth
who I hope will take with both hands the
chance to prove his many detractors at
Selhurst Park wrong!

Stellavista
01-09-2004, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
Although Colchester may well have got the
better part of this deal in that they have
cashed in on a player whose contract was
running out and replaced him with a much
younger man, already a Welsh U21 intern-
ational and with much greater goal-scoring
potential in a lower League. But Dowie
has opted for a player he knows who has
proven pace and experience at many levels
including non-League, who, quite late in
his career has begun scoring goals at a
good rate. It is likely he will be used as a
sub to be brought on late in a game to
replace one of our regular strikers.
Welcome Wayne and good luck to Gareth
who I hope will take with both hands the
chance to prove his many detractors at
Selhurst Park wrong!

It wasn't apparent to me that Williams had many 'detractors' at Selhurst Park, he never got enough opportunities to work his way up to a really universal slagging. :cool:

radish
01-09-2004, 04:58 PM
It was a shame Williams never had a run in the team. He always looked pretty good in the glimpses I saw, but without playing regularly who can say how good he really was. But it never was going to happen in the Premiership. Probably best he's moved on.

Good luck to Wayne Andrews.

Big Fella
01-09-2004, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by glaziers fan
Torghelle is not slow.

But he's not that quick either. He couldn't outrun the Norwich defence. I would class him as a strong runner, bit like Shearer or Alan Smith. Aj and Andrews have out and out pace.

joe walker
01-09-2004, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by rossi18
what a waste of money [/B]

dont be so sure rossi, colchester may be exaggerating to make it look like they got the better deal, so as to not disappoint the CU fans.

Besides, a 6 figure sum could be from £999,999 to £100k, though i believe it would be closer to the latter.

I'm not surprised by not this transfer whatsoever, because I remember as soon as Dowie took over in December 2003 he told the fantastically accurate Croydon Advertiser he wanted to bring in lower league players such as paul murray and les pogliacomi (both oldham), matthew spring of luton and WAYNE ANDREWS. Even when we went up an article in the CA said there was interest in WA.

As for the others:

Matthew Spring- a desperately needed left winger, but went to leeds

Paul Murray- another midfielder, butleft oldham for top portuguese side beira mar

Les Pogliacomi- not needed any more at palace, still at oldham being praised for saving penalties week in week out on goals on sunday

jordanismygod
01-09-2004, 05:08 PM
I'd rather have Andrews on the bench than Shipps.

cpfc_spc1982
01-09-2004, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by jordanismygod
I'd rather have Andrews on the bench than Shipps.

not literally , but in my opinion there is always room for shipps on the bench.
possibly not as much now we have ventola if he proves to be an effective target man.

stushirts
01-09-2004, 05:28 PM
just seen him on sky sports new , he looks crap ! anyone who saw it will know what i mean . lol

davematt
01-09-2004, 05:36 PM
I'm sorry, but this is a backward signing. What are we doing paying a 6 figure sum for a player who has yet to play in the 1st Division, let alone the Premiership. This confims that this summer, we have sucked in the transfer market. Very dissapointed in Simon Jordan, Iain Dowie & Bob Dowie in failing to sign us any real quality, especially in midfield. Ventola & Sorondo seem to be the big name signings, but I can't see where there going to get into our team. I hope they all prove me wrong, but it has all been very un-inspiring. We could sign someone in January, but lets be honest, we could be as good as down by then.

Batsta
01-09-2004, 05:41 PM
The transfer window Is closed. We can't change the team. Lets get on with the task ahead.

Trolley
01-09-2004, 05:46 PM
I was in 'communicado' with a member of the 'Hierarchy' at our beloved club last Friday who informed my good self that 'Wayne Andrews' is a striker who is exceedingly fleet of foot.

He also stated that the laddie 'Drifted' out of the Professional ranks when he joined 'Chesham Utd' but of course returned to the 'Fold' when signing for Oldham and playing under 'Mr Dowie'.

Sussex Eagle
01-09-2004, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by davematt
I'm sorry, but this is a backward signing. What are we doing paying a 6 figure sum for a player who has yet to play in the 1st Division, let alone the Premiership. This confims that this summer, we have sucked in the transfer market. Very dissapointed in Simon Jordan, Iain Dowie & Bob Dowie in failing to sign us any real quality, especially in midfield. Ventola & Sorondo seem to be the big name signings, but I can't see where there going to get into our team. I hope they all prove me wrong, but it has all been very un-inspiring. We could sign someone in January, but lets be honest, we could be as good as down by then.

Fitz Hall hadn't played in Division 1 or Premiership until recently (less than ten premiership games at the tail-end of Southampton's season) - yet no-one seems to doubt he is a good signing.

Boycey
01-09-2004, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Trolley
I was in 'communicado' with a member of the 'Hierarchy' at our beloved club last Friday who informed my good self that 'Wayne Andrews' is a striker who is exceedingly fleet of foot.

He also stated that the laddie 'Drifted' out of the Professional ranks when he joined 'Chesham Utd' but of course returned to the 'Fold' when signing for Oldham and playing under 'Mr Dowie'.

I take it that the 'Hierarchy' is someone high up at Palace? Well of course they'll tell you he's a good player you daft fool as they were planning to sign him. His record speaks for itself - its rubbish.

Personally I'd rather have Williams - such a shame he never got a chance to shine at the club.

Jim Cannon
01-09-2004, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Boycey
I take it that the 'Hierarchy' is someone high up at Palace? Well of course they'll tell you he's a good player you daft fool as they were planning to sign him. His record speaks for itself - its rubbish.

Personally I'd rather have Williams - such a shame he never got a chance to shine at the club.

Tend to agree with you here - I can't helping thinking......Andy Preece.

Trolley
01-09-2004, 06:04 PM
I am getting the distinct impression that the great and good are somewhat 'Underwhelmed' by Mr Dowie's acquisitions since our beloved team reached the hallowed land of the 'Premiership'.

Sussex Eagle
01-09-2004, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by henryhallandhisbasque
I think these sort of signings are good. Because in the wake of getting anybody more high-profile on a non-loan, then if..if we go down this season, we have a much better equipped squad to do well in the Championship and come back to the Prem a better and more experienced outfit.

You're sounding awfully chipper. Anyways, as long as the 6 figure sum is fairly low (what was with all the outrage at that, you lot weren't expecting us to pay less than 100k for a player, surely?), and Wayne scores one Premiership goal it will be a good deal as far as I'm concerned, as Williams would have never got a game barring real emergencies. 8 games in 4 years and 4 managers says a lot.

cpfc_spc1982
01-09-2004, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by stushirts
just seen him on sky sports new , he looks crap ! anyone who saw it will know what i mean . lol

great first touch, fooled everyone - looked like he would shoot first time.

Brod
01-09-2004, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by chav_hater
But anyone can see that the real quality and depth that you need in the Premier League is not there.

Hello,we aren't Chelski or Man U and we certainly don'thave their money.

If we get relegated (and I hope we don't), we'll have a much better squad and come straight back up.

nottsunieagle
01-09-2004, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Trolley
I am getting the distinct impression that the great and good are somewhat 'Underwhelmed' by Mr Dowie's acquisitions since our beloved team reached the hallowed land of the 'Premiership'.

i know, i really don't see why either. after we went up ppl felt we needed maybe 7 players to stand a chance. we've brought in 11 and ppl are complaining.

lets look at the facts. we havent been in the prem for 6 seasons. west brom came straight back up after spending wisely first time round and have been able to attract big name players. norwich may have been out of the prem for longer but went up as champs and so have been able to attract bigger names. we went up after a mercurial run but it was through the play-offs to prospective 'big-name' players like kily gonzalez naturally wouldn't necessarily want to be involved in a relegation scrap.

if after boxing day's defeat to millwall someone had said that in 9 months time we'd be in the premiership, attracting players like ventola, torghelle, kollka and one-size, we'd have all bitten their hands off.

we may go down, but we'll be in a far better shape than we were last year. let's keep perspective.

Freddy Kurz
01-09-2004, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Stellavista
It wasn't apparent to me that Williams had many 'detractors' at Selhurst Park, he never got enough opportunities to work his way up to a really universal slagging. :cool:

You really should do me the courtesy of reading
my post carefully before erecting your Aunt
Sally in order to knock it down. I mentioned
that Williams had many detractors not that
he ever received a "universal slagging". Having
been a consistent advocate of Gareth being
given a chance of a run in the first team squad
(at a time when most of our regular strikers
were out injured and suspended), I well remem-
ber those who always denied he should be
given that chance, by pointing out that he had
failed to impress any of our managers. That
was when we were in Division One. Since our
promotion to the Premier League, with the new
strikers now on our books, I thought he would
never get another chance of first team football
at this Club and for this reason have felt it
would be better for him to move on to advance
his career. As mentioned elsewhere I wish
him well at Colchester and hope he will one day
play for Wales at Senior level.

Malakite
01-09-2004, 10:18 PM
I think its a huge loss that Gareth has gone.....next biggest mistake after we oxo-ed Kabba :(

Q2thaZ
01-09-2004, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Malakite
I think its a huge loss that Gareth has gone.....next biggest mistake after we oxo-ed Kabba :(

But why keep players that we're not playing - they're not pro's to spend they're lives growing older in the stiffs, fair play to Gareth for moving on in search of first team football - let's see if he proves Dowie wrong!

SKATE
02-09-2004, 08:23 AM
Errr......maybe Gareth wanted to go there?!

Gark Moldberg
02-09-2004, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
...As mentioned elsewhere I wish
him well at Colchester...

Absolutely, and it now gives me more incentive to wander round the corner to get tickets for their league cup game against West Brom.

arussell
02-09-2004, 11:51 AM
I hope Palace have had the sense to include a first option buy back clause and a sell on fee ?

Stellavista
02-09-2004, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
You really should do me the courtesy of reading
my post carefully before erecting your Aunt
Sally in order to knock it down. I mentioned
that Williams had many detractors not that
he ever received a "universal slagging".



Pot, Kettle, Black...

I didn't say he had received a universal slagging, just made the point that I hadn't come across 'many detractors' in my experience, only people who wanted to see him given a bit of a chance.
Clear enough?

Clapham Grand
02-09-2004, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by arussell
I hope Palace have had the sense to include a first option buy back clause and a sell on fee ?
that would mean we get money back when we buy him!:p

Scoot
02-09-2004, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by davematt
I'm sorry, but this is a backward signing. What are we doing paying a 6 figure sum for a player who has yet to play in the 1st Division, let alone the Premiership.

Sorry but how do you know that this is a backward signing?
He is only a few years older than Williams who as I said previously had 4 Managers overlook him. Dowie has worked with Wayne previously and is therefore in a much better position to appraise the two than us on the BBS.
For somebody that came from Div 2 Boyce at right back don't look too bad. Maybe Dowie knows that with the right service this guy is gonna be a hit.

Daddy Long
02-09-2004, 12:47 PM
He has pace. Therefore he is cover for AJ. Nothing more, nothing less at this stage.

Stellavista
02-09-2004, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Daddy Long
He has pace. Therefore he is cover for AJ. Nothing more, nothing less at this stage.

Will he be like Dyer, compass permanently tuned to the corner flags?

James Melody
02-09-2004, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by Trolley
I was in 'communicado' with a member of the 'Hierarchy' at our beloved club last Friday who informed my good self that 'Wayne Andrews' is a striker who is exceedingly fleet of foot.

He also stated that the laddie 'Drifted' out of the Professional ranks when he joined 'Chesham Utd' but of course returned to the 'Fold' when signing for Oldham and playing under 'Mr Dowie'.

What about his fishing skills Trolls?

:hi:

StevePlus
02-09-2004, 07:19 PM
I spoke to a colleague with good contacts at Watford. It appears that Wayne was overlooked at Watford for some time, despite looking good in the reserves - a bit like Williams was for Palace. Wayne moved around a lot to get a first team place, and has looked excellent at Colchester. He sounds very much like an AJ sort of player, never stops running. If he scores two in a game he has probably missed three chances as well.

Freddy Kurz
02-09-2004, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by Stellavista
Pot, Kettle, Black...

I didn't say he had received a universal slagging, just made the point that I hadn't come across 'many detractors' in my experience, only people who wanted to see him given a bit of a chance.
Clear enough?

My apologies Stellavista, see now that my
reply was based upon a misunderstanding.
However if you care to research into past
threads about Gareth, you will find that
whenever some of us advocated that he
be given a run in the first team squad,
there was always a persistent group on
here who opposed this, ridiculed those
who backed him and tried to suggest we
didn't know what we were talking about,
despite having watched him regularly in
the reserves and seen him score goals
galore at that level. This was all the
more galling in view of the fact that
those who opposed giving him a chance
had either never seen him, judged
him on the basis of odd brief 1st team
appearances as a sub or because a
succession of managers had never
rated him. Since most of these
managers refused to give Kabba a
chance either (before he left for
Sheffield Utd. and began scoring for
fun) this was hardly a valid point!

zonin2000
02-09-2004, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by Great Lombardi
I am hoping Andrews could turn out like another fast, raw striker bought from the lower leagues. Chris Armstrong, who almost kept us up.


No...

I'm trying to think of another striker that we once signed, who had been a non-league player in his early 20's. He was black, pacy, strong... A late developper.

Come on guys, help me out, late 80s and early 90s...

vivideagle
02-09-2004, 09:26 PM
Was it Steve Galloway?

zonin2000
02-09-2004, 09:31 PM
Nah...

I seem to remember him coming off the bench to score twice in the cup final?

vivideagle
02-09-2004, 10:06 PM
Maybe another clue;)

Q2thaZ
02-09-2004, 10:16 PM
Think he went into TV presenting but not sure ;) :D

imashed
02-09-2004, 10:19 PM
lets hope he not going to try k keegan school of football, you score 5 we score 6 ithink not this is palace

Gooders
02-09-2004, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by zonin2000
No...

I'm trying to think of another striker that we once signed, who had been a non-league player in his early 20's. He was black, pacy, strong... A late developper.

Come on guys, help me out, late 80s and early 90s...

Was it that bloke who scored the hat-trick for QPR up at Old Trafford?

Denis something or other? :)

cadburyeagle
02-09-2004, 10:58 PM
Does he look like Serena Williams?

N Herts Eagle
02-09-2004, 10:59 PM
Think Williams will go on and be a star ...but right now he is going nowhere at Palace ...you look at the forwards he is highly unlikely to break into the first team...I do hope we have a sell on clause

arussell
02-09-2004, 11:28 PM
Oddly enough I'll be writing your definitive guide to Gareth Williams early next week. Look for it to appear soon :)

NZsparky
03-09-2004, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by zonin2000
No...

I'm trying to think of another striker that we once signed, who had been a non-league player in his early 20's. He was black, pacy, strong... A late developper.

Come on guys, help me out, late 80s and early 90s...
What Shirley Bassey??????

SKATE
03-09-2004, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by arussell
Oddly enough I'll be writing your definitive guide to Gareth Williams early next week. Look for it to appear soon :)

Not much point now is there !!

Stellavista
03-09-2004, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
My apologies Stellavista, see now that my
reply was based upon a misunderstanding.
However if you care to research into past
threads about Gareth, you will find that
whenever some of us advocated that he
be given a run in the first team squad,
there was always a persistent group on
here who opposed this, ridiculed those
who backed him and tried to suggest we
didn't know what we were talking about,
despite having watched him regularly in
the reserves and seen him score goals
galore at that level. This was all the
more galling in view of the fact that
those who opposed giving him a chance
had either never seen him, judged
him on the basis of odd brief 1st team
appearances as a sub or because a
succession of managers had never
rated him. Since most of these
managers refused to give Kabba a
chance either (before he left for
Sheffield Utd. and began scoring for
fun) this was hardly a valid point!

Ah, well, we both got there in the end, in agreeing that he's another player that never got the opportunity he deserved while at Palace. :hmph:

mexicaneagle
06-09-2004, 04:28 AM
I'm trying to think of another striker that we once signed, who had been a non-league player in his early 20's. He was black, pacy, strong... A late developper.

Come on guys, help me out, late 80s and early 90s...

Well, one comes to mind...

Bruce Dyer.

As a wit sitting next to me said versus Forest (0-1 loss), we could have time to go and get a hamburger before he got the ball under control.;)

gcwhite
06-09-2004, 05:27 AM
Brucie was 18 when we signed him from Watford so he doesn't fit the description.

Freddy Kurz
06-09-2004, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by gcwhite
Brucie was 18 when we signed him from Watford so he doesn't fit the description.

Think Noades broke the transfer-record for
a teen-age footballer at the time paying
Watford £1.25m for Dyer. Wondered why
mexicaneagle didn't mention Ian Wright
who more closely fits his description in
that he came from non-League Greenwich
Borough, and was in his early 20's but Ian's
ball-control was far better than that!

Rasheed Harkouk
06-09-2004, 09:21 AM
Colchester fans are bemoaning his loss, they miss the lack of pace they now have. We apparently wanted to do a straight swap but Colchester were having none of it. The deal was also concluded 15 mins before the deadline shut at midnight on the 31st.

cpfc_spc1982
22-09-2004, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by Rasheed Harkouk
Colchester fans are bemoaning his loss, they miss the lack of pace they now have. We apparently wanted to do a straight swap but Colchester were having none of it. The deal was also concluded 15 mins before the deadline shut at midnight on the 31st.

fagan looks quick and not short of ability.