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Icarus
11-10-2004, 04:31 PM
Its early days I know and just after our 1st win though I for one am rueing the fact that Gera could and IMO should be playing for us rather than the baggies. Kolkka has been showing steady signs of improvement though Gera already looks like he's been playing over here for years looking very comfortable and now started to chip in with a couple of goals too. For £1.5M it's looking like good business for the baggies and btw he's only 25.

eagles #1
11-10-2004, 04:32 PM
yea id have to say Gera so far. but come on Kolkka make me eat my words! :p

skorpie
11-10-2004, 04:43 PM
Kollka is on the left while Gera is on the right so I would say Wayne....

Seriously, Kollka is getting better with each match and and can run for 90 minutes while I think Gera gets tired around the 70th so at the moment Kollka is the right choice.

Gera is a genius which means he can be world class on one match and crap on the other (not talking about him getting injured a lot and his build) but he is getting better and fitter with each match.His workrate and enthusiasm is amazing now he can play in England and I think 2 or 3 months from now (if he can be regular starter) the answer will be Gera without doubt (if he doesn't get injured - which happens a lot :( )

martin.cpfc
11-10-2004, 04:49 PM
Has to be Gera so far, hope Kolkka is better in the long-term.

NO1FAN
11-10-2004, 04:54 PM
We've got Kollka and haven't got Gera. End of story as far as I'm concerned.

Trist
11-10-2004, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by NO1FAN
We've got Kollka and haven't got Gera. End of story as far as I'm concerned.
Well said!

Icarus
11-10-2004, 05:12 PM
I am sorry I thought BBS was an area that you could share your thoughts and views and generate discussion with ppl with a common interest - thats what i'd say if i was a pacifist though i'm not. NO1 fan your a NO1 w@nk£^

pedro
11-10-2004, 05:48 PM
Gera looks great value whilst Kollka at present is a serious disappointment but that's football. Ask a Brum fan who they would prefer, Clinton or AJ.

Ardent Eagle Forever
11-10-2004, 05:50 PM
We'll get Gera next year when the baggies go down again. However, Kolka is steadily improving. Was brilliant against Fulham, so he'll do for now,

sjmac
11-10-2004, 06:03 PM
Gera has been playing on the right for WBA. Hasn't he? Hard to compare the signing of Kolka to that of Gera if they play in different positions.

Read in the paper that Gera had a drug addiction when he was a kid and had all sorts of problems. Gera was on trial with us for a while, and i know there are the stories about WBA meeting him at the airport, but IMO i think ID saw something he didn't like. Or something that put him off. Thats not to say we didn't want him, but we maybe didn't want him enough.

He is playing well so far this season, but if we are talking about players we nearly signed, then i think Cahill is the one that gets to me the most. Going on his performances for Everton, i think he would bring to our team exactly what we ae lacking.

skorpie
11-10-2004, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by sjmac

Read in the paper that Gera had a drug addiction when he was a kid and had all sorts of problems. Gera was on trial with us for a while, and i know there are the stories about WBA meeting him at the airport, but IMO i think ID saw something he didn't like. Or something that put him off. Thats not to say we didn't want him, but we maybe didn't want him enough.


Gera was NOT on trial with you, telling the truth he hadn't even been to England before the day he had the fitness tests done at WBA and signed 2 days later.

Braders
11-10-2004, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by NO1FAN
We've got Kollka and haven't got Gera. End of story as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed.:rolleyes:

Sussex Eagle
11-10-2004, 06:29 PM
I like Joonas. Don't really care what the competition have.

Brett
11-10-2004, 07:47 PM
Kolkka. He's improved a lot in the past two games. He's getting to grips with the pace of English football and the rest of the side are picking him out more. He looks a lot quicker now and his first touch is exceptional.

He's our player, he's a 'Palace' type player and he wants to be here. Lets not insult him with spurious comment.

kolinkins
11-10-2004, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Brett
Kolkka. He's improved a lot in the past two games. He's getting to grips with the pace of English football and the rest of the side are picking him out more. He looks a lot quicker now and his first touch is exceptional.

He's our player, he's a 'Palace' type player and he wants to be here. Lets not insult him with spurious comment.

And thats the bottom line.

Icarus
11-10-2004, 07:53 PM
"He's our player, he's a 'Palace' type player and he wants to be here. Lets not insult him with spurious comment"

Spurious comments? Don't be daft I'm just commenting that Gera has took to the premiership like a duck to water whilst Kolkka is taking his time and the issue is this is time we haven't got!

Brett
11-10-2004, 07:56 PM
Gera cost...?

And Kolkka...?

Sussex Eagle
11-10-2004, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by Brett
Kolkka. He's improved a lot in the past two games. He's getting to grips with the pace of English football and the rest of the side are picking him out more. He looks a lot quicker now and his first touch is exceptional.

He's our player, he's a 'Palace' type player and he wants to be here. Lets not insult him with spurious comment.

Good post! Another good thing about Kolkka is that he is able to keep possession when it's easier not to in a way that shows 'class' most of our squad lacks.

Icarus
11-10-2004, 07:57 PM
The cost of staying in the Prem?

Brett
11-10-2004, 08:00 PM
Jesus.

Icarus
11-10-2004, 08:03 PM
The point I'm trying to make is that is it worth staying in the Prem for shelling out an extra £1M? I and probs the majority would agree.

Brett
11-10-2004, 08:08 PM
I couldn't care less.

Numerous players have come into the Premiership and made an instant impact. 10 games down the line and they've been dropped and later fall into obscurity; some quicker than others.

On the other hand, many top drawer players have taken a season to settle and gone on to impress over a prolonged period. Thierry Henry is but one who springs to mind (and before someone is stupid enough to say it, I'm not comparing Joones to the Gooner).

Two different players, two very different football teams.

Too early to start writing off players or lauding unproven and lightweight foreigners.

SwampThing
11-10-2004, 08:09 PM
I don't see the point of this comparison. The signing of Kolkka wouldn't have had any bearing on Palace signing Gera.

You may as well ask "Gera or Hall - who would you rather have?"

hairylenny
11-10-2004, 08:18 PM
I haven't seen enough of Kolkka to comment but Gera is fantastic, he plays with an unbelievable enthusiasm and his work rate is fantastic. Once he is a bit stronger and more tactically aware he will be a top player.

Having seen him play, he is getting fitter by the game, in our last match against Bolton he was everywhere!

Just to add to that, when we play you watch him jump. I've never seen such an acrobatic player, his leap is amazing, he can beat players in the air who are much much taller than him.

Icarus
11-10-2004, 08:27 PM
Dowie was not intending to buy Gera to replace Wayne on the right he was intending to use him to play in a variety of positions including in an attacking midfielder role. Swampthing, yes this would have an effect on the purchase of Kolkka which is why we knew about Gera before Kolkka so you can't compare Kolkka and Gera to Gera and Hall (BTW Hall everytime for me)

MasterYoda
11-10-2004, 08:38 PM
Kolkka chose us. Gera chose WBA.

I know who I'd rather have

Micky Spilane
11-10-2004, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by MasterYoda
Kolkka chose us. Gera chose WBA.

I know who I'd rather have

You mean the one who wanted to play for us:rolleyes:

MasterYoda
11-10-2004, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by Micky Spilane
You mean the one who wanted to play for us:rolleyes: I did but why the :rolleyes:?

Boyandy
11-10-2004, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by Icarus
Dowie was not intending to buy Gera to replace Wayne on the right he was intending to use him to play in a variety of positions including in an attacking midfielder role. Swampthing, yes this would have an effect on the purchase of Kolkka which is why we knew about Gera before Kolkka so you can't compare Kolkka and Gera to Gera and Hall (BTW Hall everytime for me)

Prove it.

The whole point about the signing of Kolkka was that it was one of the few transfers that came out of nowhere - the first thing the majority of us knew about our interest was after he'd already signed.

The comparison between Hall and Gera is actually more valid because the transfer fees were both £1.5m. In terms of the money spent you may as well compare Gera v Kolkka, Lakis & Kiraly - because we paid very little in transfer fees for any of them.

Bobsta
11-10-2004, 09:39 PM
I think Kolkka is afantastic player,so much potential and the best left winger i have seen in recent years. In my eyes he is much betterthan julian gray purely coz of his work ethic, but he's quick, everytime he gets the ball he does something productive with it passes it into the troublearea to aj's feet or whipps in a cross, and he's not bad at cutting inside and having the odd shot aswell.

He will score soon, just wish palace passed the ball and involved him a little more often.

sjmac
11-10-2004, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by SwampThing
I don't see the point of this comparison. The signing of Kolkka wouldn't have had any bearing on Palace signing Gera.

You may as well ask "Gera or Hall - who would you rather have?"

Spot on.

Icarus
12-10-2004, 07:18 AM
Why do you most of you keep missing the valid point I'm trying to make?it is clearly obvious that Dowie wanted Gera as our attacking midfielder option before Kolkka and it was not an issue that he wanted both. It is not valid to compare Gera and Hall as they are totally different in their positions - one is defensive and one is attacking, Simple.

Brett
12-10-2004, 07:59 AM
Where is it obvious? You're the one missing the totally valid point that both are totally different players in totally different positions.

Ok, we'll pretend that this is Championship Manager land and Dowie wanted Gera (and it wasn't just poxy reporting)... :rolleyes: ... even if we had signed him, we would still have needed to bring in a wide left midfielder following Gray's departure.

Comprendez?

RDSdaEAGLE
12-10-2004, 09:42 AM
The only obvious thing is that most of this "Dowie wanted Gera" is based on what the media have said.

I've never heard Dowie even mention Gera.

Besides, I think Kolkka is a magnificent player. I'd rather he took time to adjust, than to impress us with 5 or 10 good performances and to burn out.

Boyandy
12-10-2004, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Icarus
Why do you most of you keep missing the valid point I'm trying to make?it is clearly obvious that Dowie wanted Gera as our attacking midfielder option before Kolkka and it was not an issue that he wanted both. It is not valid to compare Gera and Hall as they are totally different in their positions - one is defensive and one is attacking, Simple.

Maybe it's because you're missing the perfectly valid point we're trying to make!

I don't disagree that Gera would have been employed by Dowie as a playmaker if we'd have bought him (whether we were ever in for him is neither here nor there).

What I do disagree about is that Kolkka was bought because we missed out! If Gera was playing for Palace he'd be in the side at the expense of someone like Watson - not Kolkka.

Kolkka's a left winger - Gera isn't.

Boyandy
12-10-2004, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Icarus
it is clearly obvious that Dowie wanted Gera as our attacking midfielder option before Kolkka and it was not an issue that he wanted both.

Sorry to piss on your chips but you're wrong here as well.

We signed Kolkka a week before WBA signed Gera. If we were gazumped at the last minute for Gera as you'd like to believe then your comment above doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

You don't opt for plan B before you miss out on plan A!

Beanie
12-10-2004, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Icarus
I am sorry I thought BBS was an area that you could share your thoughts and views and generate discussion with ppl with a common interest - thats what i'd say if i was a pacifist though i'm not. NO1 fan your a NO1 w@nk£^
What did No1 Fan share if not his view? You may not agree - but at least he did it without being rude and insulting, which is more than can be said for your response!.

Nobody other than the press have ever implied ID was interetsed in Gera, this "hijacked at the airport" story to me sounds ridiculous, always has.

Clapham Grand
12-10-2004, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by NO1FAN
We've got Kollka and haven't got Gera. End of story as far as I'm concerned.

Exactly. What is the point of this thread?

Icarus
12-10-2004, 05:00 PM
Wow you guys can certainly attack albeit valid arguements though I have one disagreement - I believe if we had Gera we would not have signed Kolkka! If you see Gera play for WBA you would have noticed he drifts from the right side to the left and plays from both sides behind the front two and not always strictly from the right! Please let me state that I am not knocking Kolkka I agree wholeheartedly that he is making good progress albeit slower than Gera. I hope you guys are right about Gera suffering from burnout, I'd love it if in May 2005 someone rams this post down my throat!

Ps Beanie i take the point about free speech and I accept I was out of line, apols NO1FAN!

christopher
12-10-2004, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by skorpie


Seriously, Kollka is getting better with each match and and can run for 90 minutes while I think Gera gets tired around the 70th so at the moment Kollka is the right choice.



Yes he is. I was already quite a big Kolkka fan, but after his display against Fulham I am completely converted. The man is tireless and gets better every week.

christopher
12-10-2004, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Bobsta

He will score soon, just wish palace passed the ball and involved him a little more often.

Me too. The man is hungry for the ball.

Icarus
12-10-2004, 05:11 PM
Seems awfully quiet I wonder what his celebration will be like he seems very quiet, probs a shake of the hand and a curtsey for the crowd? (Just kiddding guys!)

christopher
12-10-2004, 05:14 PM
:D

lordanton
12-10-2004, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by Icarus
I believe if we had Gera we would not have signed Kolkka!

:bash:

We signed Kolkka before the Gera deal (if there even was one) fell through!!!

Sorry to be angry, but MANY people have stated this!

Gosling
12-10-2004, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Icarus
If you see Gera play for WBA you would have noticed he drifts from the right side to the left and plays from both sides behind the front two and not always strictly from the right!

On that basis I'd rather have the specialist left-winger, thanks.

Icarus
13-10-2004, 07:12 AM
I KNOW we signed Kolkka b4 WBA signed Gera THAT IS BECAUSE WE LOST OUT ON GERA DEAL!

landeval
13-10-2004, 07:32 AM
Kolka
no one from Fradi

Chief Brody
13-10-2004, 07:54 AM
Shark! (That one is for you Sussex!!!!) ;)


































............. and then Joonas. :p

Boyandy
13-10-2004, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by Icarus
I KNOW we signed Kolkka b4 WBA signed Gera THAT IS BECAUSE WE LOST OUT ON GERA DEAL!

:rolleyes:

The `story` goes that we were interested in Gera but WBA got to him at the airport - thereby nipping in before we had the chance to speak to him. Bearing this in mind - I'm assuming that the deal (if there was one) was still an issue right up to just before he signed for West Brom.

We signed Kolkka a week before WBA signed Gera. Are you trying to suggest that we signed Kolkka because we missed out on Gera, but were still wanting to meet with him a week later just to say hello?

What part of this don't you understand?

st albans
13-10-2004, 08:10 AM
so far Gera, bu tpotentially i think Kolkka will be better, Gera looks a little on the lightweight side and will get muscled out of a lot of their games

cpfc_spc1982
13-10-2004, 10:19 AM
gera but kolkka has shown signs of improvment.

nottsunieagle
13-10-2004, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Icarus
If you see Gera play for WBA you would have noticed he drifts from the right side to the left and plays from both sides behind the front two and not always strictly from the right!

i'd rather keep the player who sticks to his own position. against fulham he was immense, the whole team was. gera may have been good for us but that is neither here nor there, frankly the team we have at the moment, and the style we are playing, means we do not need him.

Celestial Empire
13-10-2004, 10:55 AM
Interesting that even Megson said the other day, that Gera is fragile, doesn't look like it so far, but then the weather conditions have been near perfect for footy so far this season. (Megson is also dependent on the temperamental Koumas and the injury prone Kanu, then Norwich have the injury prone and unreliable Huckerby).
A bit strange then, that only Palace have had a striker "injury crisis" so far (Ships, Torghelle, Ventola all out of contention for several games).

ebyeeckeagle
13-10-2004, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by pedro
Gera looks great value whilst Kollka at present is a serious disappointment but that's football.

I just cant agree. I distrust writng off players too early, or conversely going over board on someone either at this stage.

Kollka however, looks good to me and I have every confidence he will continue to settle in and improve. Gera looks good too, but lets see by Xmas if he is still turning it on.

Dont quite see why we have to compare these two - not exactly mutally exclusive are they, completely different roles. And absolutely no evidence that we actually were close to getting or even wanting him.
Still, nice to see some flair players like Gera (and our own Kaviedes) being imported.

Zohar Returns
13-10-2004, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by hairylenny
when we play you watch him jump. I've never seen such an acrobatic player, his leap is amazing, he can beat players in the air who are much much taller than him.

Kolka was good in the air against Fulham. He consitantly beat his man in the air, even though he was clearly being marked by a taller player.

I think Kolka will be a great asset. I think we have got to trust Dowie's (whether Bob or Iain) judgement. And if Aki says he is class then that'll do for me ;)

Icarus
13-10-2004, 05:41 PM
I agree totally that we shouldn't write off players especially our own and I hope everyone realises that I'm not!


Originally posted by Celestial Empire
"A bit strange then, that only Palace have had a striker "injury crisis" so far (Ships, Torghelle, Ventola all out of contention for several games)."

On that point just who is AJ's partner or are we content in playing 4-5-1?