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Palestinian 12-08-2017 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by minch1 (Post 13776201)
Looked out of his depth and a weak link. Deleaney must be wondering why he was not in the reckoning based on that performance. Every time Rienwald got the ball Hennesey quaked in his boots.

Agree. While not the same type of player, he reminded me of Jeff Hughes who Peter Talor signed from Lincoln, a rabbit caught in the headlights. I suspect that he will grow into the team with a more experienced centre back next to him. Unfortunately for him Dann's form is so poor and isn't much help - play him next to a Sakho type centre back who plays well, marshals the defence and encourages, I suspect that he might be fine.

minch1 12-08-2017 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hudds Eagle (Post 13775992)
Leave it out. It was a pretty bad performance but nowhere near as bad as Ward and Dann who both look a shadow of their former selves and completely out of their depth.

Not out of their depth but being played out of position. Ward and Dan have given 110% at Palace. That shouldn't be forgotten. But you can't blame them for the Managers shambolic set up today or the hesitation of Rienwald who made Hennesey even less confident than Normal. It was quite noticeable that Hennesey's confidence soared playing with Mamadou Sakho and has plummeted today with Rienwald.

exiledeagle 12-08-2017 08:39 PM

Just saw second goal , he is obviously not use to defending a big forward .

Ov. 12-08-2017 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by exiledeagle (Post 13776261)
Just saw second goal , he is obviously not use to defending a big forward .

Should be alright against Firminho next week then.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 12-08-2017 10:25 PM

Let's hope he picks up and the whole team was poor today. But, as he is our only permanent signing of the summer so far and given his struggles today, it is a bit of a concern. Also, if we do end up going to a back 4, would he even make the team? We would have 4(!!) first team candidates for left back after having none for half of last season.

As our biggest signing of the summer it wasn't a great start.

Reg_Maudling 12-08-2017 10:28 PM

hope the performance was just down to first game nerves

PalaceSi 12-08-2017 10:35 PM

He's no good in the air, thats a bit of a weakness if you play at the back.

aj4england 12-08-2017 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PalaceSi (Post 13776541)
He's no good in the air, thats a bit of a weakness if you play at the back.

Agreed , questioned whether he was big enough for a centre back and got slated. Looked ok last week but worried about him with the intensity and of the premier . Was ponderous too often

Wright+Bright 12-08-2017 11:20 PM

It's his first proper game and he is young so will give him time . He seemed well off the pace today and was definitely at fault for their second.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 12-08-2017 11:21 PM

Yeah, I sit a bit of a way from the Holmesdale so didn't see it clearly at the time but after watching the goals back - he was very poor for the second. Ward's 'effort' to block the cross was quite awful too mind.

danpalace07 12-08-2017 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by minch1 (Post 13776201)
Looked out of his depth and a weak link. Deleaney must be wondering why he was not in the reckoning based on that performance. Every time Rienwald got the ball Hennesey quaked in his boots.

Reckon it's something to do with him being finished for maybe 18 months

give Jairo time especially in this wank system that leaves the 3 CB's exposed

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 12-08-2017 11:58 PM

Actually Jairo was awful on the 3rd goal too. Not strong enough.

Mr Palace 13-08-2017 08:11 AM

Just watched the goals and he was awful on the second and third. Schoolboy defending and he looks weak. But he can pass it a bit so that's all good.

Reg_Maudling 13-08-2017 08:30 AM

What was he doing on the third goal? Ian Wright blamed tomkins but he was trying to cover two runners
Riedevald left a huge gap on the left hand side and that was the reason for the goal
Also he did a very weak intercepting header very early on and Ince could have scored
Hope it was all just debut nerves but it was a poor and concerning performance and maybe he's not ready yet to be a regular starter

Mr Palace 13-08-2017 09:05 AM

He made an initial bad mistake for the third goal by not winning or even really contesting a goal kick. Mounie out muscled him and then Riedewald slowly jogged back before Mounie finished. His mistake for the second goal was as bad - no challenge at all and it wasn't as if Mounie did any great movement.

A 19 and 20 year in the back three together when they haven't had time to practice together is managerial madness.

Mr Palace 13-08-2017 09:10 AM

He made an initial bad mistake for the third goal by not winning or even really contesting a goal kick. Mounie out muscled him and then Riedewald slowly jogged back before Mounie finished. His mistake for the second goal was as bad - no challenge at all and it wasn't as if Mounie did any great movement.

A 19 and 20 year in the back three together when they haven't had time to practice together is managerial madness.

Simmo the Elder 13-08-2017 09:10 AM

He should have been the sweeper / spare centre half in the middle behind two markers (of a three), but even then on yesterdays showing that would have been a gamble. Franco Baresi got away with it but he had world class man markers along side him and you could also pass back to the keeper back then (for them to pick it up).

Playing him as a left sided centre half looks crackers, especially in the English prem.

I could not see him being in a back four and it would have been interesting to have seen him at Merstham on Tuesday night. I saw Charlton u23s v Wimbledon u23s in the summer at Merstham and the back fours in those teams looked physically stronger than him.

From what I saw yesterday it is a system which asks far too much of some players who through no fault of their won cannot play those roles but ultimately sees too much risky passing taking place in areas of the pitch (defensive third) where even the big boys don't muck about in and which will also see our key offensive players tire in the last 20 mins of a game (due to the increased workloads : wing backs and Wilf) instead of the opposition

Simmo the Elder 13-08-2017 09:10 AM

He should have been the sweeper / spare centre half in the middle behind two markers (of a three), but even then on yesterdays showing that would have been a gamble. Franco Baresi got away with it but he had world class man markers along side him and you could also pass back to the keeper back then (for them to pick it up).

Playing him as a left sided centre half looks crackers, especially in the English prem.

I could not see him being in a back four and it would have been interesting to have seen him at Merstham on Tuesday night. I saw Charlton u23s v Wimbledon u23s in the summer at Merstham and the back fours in those teams looked physically stronger than him.

From what I saw yesterday it is a system which asks far too much of some players who through no fault of their won cannot play those roles but ultimately sees too much risky passing taking place in areas of the pitch (defensive third) where even the big boys don't muck about in and which will also see our key offensive players tire in the last 20 mins of a game (due to the increased workloads : wing backs and Wilf) instead of the opposition

Danny boy 13-08-2017 11:01 AM

It looks like it might be a year too soon to be a regular starter as a CB in the PL with his lack of physically and weakness in the air. Time to sign Sakho imo and have Riedewald on the bench even if we do play 3 at the back.

Bobby Smith 13-08-2017 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Simmo the Elder (Post 13776960)
He should have been the sweeper / spare centre half in the middle behind two markers (of a three), but even then on yesterdays showing that would have been a gamble. Franco Baresi got away with it but he had world class man markers along side him and you could also pass back to the keeper back then (for them to pick it up).

Playing him as a left sided centre half looks crackers, especially in the English prem.

I could not see him being in a back four and it would have been interesting to have seen him at Merstham on Tuesday night. I saw Charlton u23s v Wimbledon u23s in the summer at Merstham and the back fours in those teams looked physically stronger than him.

From what I saw yesterday it is a system which asks far too much of some players who through no fault of their won cannot play those roles but ultimately sees too much risky passing taking place in areas of the pitch (defensive third) where even the big boys don't muck about in and which will also see our key offensive players tire in the last 20 mins of a game (due to the increased workloads : wing backs and Wilf) instead of the opposition

Good post. Technically I was expecting much more. He didn't really seem to know how to defend, eg he didn't seem to know whether to go with or leave players. And his distribution seemed to be woeful, eg he always seemed to go in the inside and inherently played the recipient into trouble.

Can't help feeling disappointed.


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