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kolinkins 23-01-2007 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by Adlerhorst
Lest we forget Shabbir and Shoaib should not be included for obvious reasons. I maintain that Pedro Martinez would have a very impressive average in test cricket if he were allowed to play.

An average of 33 is not acceptable for a non Warne leggie on sub continental pitches, Kumble doesn't even turn the ball and averages a damn site less than that.

Rana averages 58 with the ball in test cricket. Shahid Nazir i assume you have included as a joke. As for Rao Iftikar, as I said above, who?

Asif has looked very good and whilst he should have been banned for the drugs thing, i'll accept that he was stupid village kid (your words) and not hold it against him.

Gul, when he is not injured he has looked decent (last test last summer), but when is he not injured btw.

I'll admit that Kaneria isnt as doing as well as he should, but he still has 10 years in him and I am sure he will get better.

And Rana, Nazir and Rao are in there as back up - no a bad lot to fall back on.

With McGrath and Warne out the picture now, I think a 5 of Gul, Shoaib, Asif, Kaneria with Shabbir as back up is up there with the best.

But, Shoaib cant get fit, Asif will be re-banned, Gul wont stay fit, Shabbir will get done for his action again and until Kaneria converts to Islam, he'll be the nearly man of the team. So, we will be a mediocre/who line-up pretty soon.

Radders 23-01-2007 10:51 AM

Not a single post on Englands game today? I must be the only one watching even though I wish I wasn't watching!! The baby woke up at 530 so I watched from 530 till 930 when i left for work and it gradually got worse and worse!!!!!!

Back to the drawing board. :sob: :sob: :sob:

Godstone Eagle 23-01-2007 11:02 AM

England throwing away a game in Adelaide..sounds familiar!

kolinkins 23-01-2007 11:31 AM

Absolute tripe from England

Get Bopara in!

Steve in Phoenix 23-01-2007 11:38 AM

Thought Bopara was going to replace Joyce... but Joyce was the only batsman who performed..

Radders 23-01-2007 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Steve in Phoenix
Thought Bopara was going to replace Joyce... but Joyce was the only batsman who performed..
I don't think Joyce is good enough but he will retain his place in the team now. Bopara must play now though, get Bell out.

kolinkins 23-01-2007 12:18 PM

Strauss, Bell, Colly, Joyce and Vaughan playign together does not a one-day batting line-up make. That is 5 nudgers. A team should have 2 max.

And what will England do when Loye gets his technique found out?

England need Solanki and Bopara playing - 2 players who can nudge with the best of them, but who are also capable of more expansive shots.

kolinkins 23-01-2007 02:12 PM

Cracking article on bowling attackes here:

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/co...ry/277296.html

New LP 23-01-2007 02:40 PM

Interesting article, although I think Stuart Clarke has what it takes to be more than merely a support bowler.

rhiannapaul 23-01-2007 08:00 PM

england cricket is a bloody embarrasment

bunghole 23-01-2007 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by New LP
Interesting article, although I think Stuart Clarke has what it takes to be more than merely a support bowler.
Amen to that. :p

ozeagle 23-01-2007 10:22 PM

this has to be one of the shi ttest all time sides.

just awful. thank whoever that they managed to fall across the line in the first match.

talk about battle of the *******s....

speaking of which, if this Andrew Strauss isn't the most overrated English batsman for some time, i'll go heave. forget about failing at the top level, this guy is simply, a dud.

as for Bell. f eck me. hack.

the aussies must be trembling at the thought of England's line up for the next Ashes series.

all the talk about the English depth and they trawl out these retards.

FFS

Adlerhorst 23-01-2007 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ozeagle
this has to be one of the shi ttest all time sides.

just awful. thank whoever that they managed to fall across the line in the first match.

talk about battle of the *******s....

speaking of which, if this Andrew Strauss isn't the most overrated English batsman for some time, i'll go heave. forget about failing at the top level, this guy is simply, a dud.

as for Bell. f eck me. hack.

the aussies must be trembling at the thought of England's line up for the next Ashes series.

all the talk about the English depth and they trawl out these retards.

FFS

I don't completely disgaree, but suspect someone is a bit bitter about losing some cash - you were warned oz :)

ozeagle 23-01-2007 10:56 PM

on the contrary, i toolk the dud to outscore loye 1.94 BF.

to be fair the dud has averaged around 20 on this tour. half reasonable by english standards.

loye wouldn't get a game down the local park.

Adlerhorst 23-01-2007 10:57 PM

Agree about Loye.

ozeagle 23-01-2007 11:02 PM

and Strauss, come on?

failed at the highest level all summer (despite a couple of bad decisions)

av 24.7

av v oz 32

no good. end of.

Adlerhorst 23-01-2007 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by kolinkins
and until Kaneria converts to Islam, he'll be the nearly man of the team
Interested in this. Wasn't sure if it was in jest or not.

As for the rest of the post (unquoted) you seem to have developed an unhealthy (and for a follower of Pakistan, a highly unusual) sense of impending doom - your english side showing through perhaps ;)

kolinkins 24-01-2007 11:51 AM

It was in jest of course!!!!!

and I feel doom - unlike previous generations, I just cant see the talent coming through

New LP 24-01-2007 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by rhiannapaul
england cricket is a bloody embarrasment
Our one day game is that's for sure.

There is hope in the test arena even if we're a million miles from the Aussies at the moment.

2 things can happen, either heads will be buried in the sand or they'll be a big shake up and we'll bounce back. Knowing the suits at the ECB it'll be the former unfortunately.

Baloo 24-01-2007 12:59 PM

The paradox is, we know our one-day team is full of decent players. It's just that we're incapable of showing it on the pitch.

It MUST be something wrong with management and coaching, therefore. Fletcher has lost the touch, gone stale, overstayed his shelf life, whatever you want to call it - it's time for a change at the top.

And I would say it needs to happen BEFORE the World Cup. There is no chance we will achieve anything there other than total embarassment on the current form. At least with a sudden change at the top, we may have a honeymoon period of the players wanting to impress which may improve the current standards.


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