Agreed, if Dave Hedgehog's reporter says he isn't that keen then loan him, potentially with an option to buy, and write off wages and fee against Ayew's fee, or just don't bother. As I keep banging on, he would be a "fringe" player like Riedewald anyway. JR younger and more potential.

? Riedewald has played as our DM for nearly every match in preseason he's done very well. Granted the oppo was all lower league but he's done well this preseason.

This is true but he only got so many minutes because Luka was late back and presuming Kouyate arrives he will drop further down the pecking order for that role.

It'd be great for his development to play in the Championship. Trouble is he might not get back in the Premium again after. It's the main reason a loan seemed the more likely option - easier to sell it to Jairo.

But we may not be able to afford/ get the players we want if it is only a loan. And presumably Swansea would raise the price for Ayew if we only loaned Jairo or may have no interest in a loan at all. The deal only works if they are happy with it too.

Whether Jairo agrees to it is of course another matter.

I'm not sure he should agree to this one. If he's got any sense, he'll say he wants to stay and fight for his place. He's young, paid well and on a longish contract. London to Swansea? F*ck that.

Not sure why people are bothered that he is leaving. Physically weak, average passing, not very quick... Is he particularly dynamic in any area?

Another poor player off the books is a good thing.

I think his passing is decent enough but I agree that I have doubts about his physicality (including pace) and he doesn't win the ball very much either. Personally would be happy to replace him with Kouyate.

Great passing, vision and ability to keep possession. At this stage of his development, not the most physical, and pace is only OK. Would like to keep him around.

You cannot keep buying your way out of trouble.

He is a good young player, on affordable wages, and is good to be available as a squad player . He could develop into a much better player with a full season under Roy.

RLC would not be the player he is now had he not 'gambled' on coming to us.

You need to give him time. 3 Caps for Holland, with experience of playing in Champions and Europa League. You cannot call him a poor player.

We just need to unlock his potential.

Some forget he is only 21 and last year was his first season outside Holland.

The Sun says he has refused to join Swansea and the Ayew deal is dead.

Great

Good, If we have to have another striker then I want us to concentrate on getting Antonio, Watkins or El Hadidi or any of the other promising 20 to 23 yr olds in La Liga and Serie A. If we are that short of cash we can't loan someone then we should be trying to flog one of Benteke, Wickham and Pape (though very harsh on Connor and Pape and Christian would be the obvious one that we could lose).

We are allowed several foreign loans why are we not attacking that instead of buying an average player from a relegated team.

Good news. I think Jairo will be a really good player for us in a year or so.

Well, quite.

Offer them Jordan Mutch instead?

Not a total surprise. Wonder what we will do next if it is true. Up our bid for Ayew, increasing cash offer?

Try to loan Abraham instead of him?

Issue for Jairo is that Kouyate has now signed and it sounds like Mayer is done, so he is probably behind 4 other players for a central spot right now.

I wonder if he would accept a loan deal to the right club? If the other central midfielders stay fit he will be behind Luka, Mayer, Kouyate and Jimmy now.

It's quite amazing, we finally get rid of all the deadwood and now we don't have any to sign someone from a Championship team.

Jimmy won't play in the middle he'll be either RM or LM. If we can't get RLC I'm dreading it but I'm concerned we'll see

MM CK LM JM which I think will be a huge waste of MM abilties as a deep lying playmaker, or maybe he'll prove me wrong and do great in a position he's never played in.

RLC MM LM JM would be a 'better' version of what we played last season.

second string
JS JP JR JW

It would mean the club could rotate and maybe we'll see less stupid injuries.

If we play a 4 I would imagine it would be Townsend (right), Luka, Mayer (central) and Schlupp/ Jimmy left? Although Luka and Kouyate central with Mayer on the left is also possible.

Unless Andros is used up top again of course... I could go on... many options. But either way, Jairo's chances of game time have certainly reduced now.

From our business so far I am also starting to wonder if we might go 433 at times. Luka, Kouyate and Mayer as a solid 3 and Wilf and Andros either side of a more traditional striker.

Roy has a history of 4411. Kouyate and Milivojevic i think will be in middle First choice. we may see Meyer behind Zaha.
As for Jairo would like him to stay.

He needs to be playing regularly like RLC & that’s not going to happen here next season. I think a move to the Championship would be best for him at this stage in his career.

If we want him to develop we should either play him or loan him to a club in a decent league where he will play.

That is not the Championship. I’d try to find a club in Germany

Why are you posting in code?

Looks curtains for his Palace career.

And I have to say that whilst I think he is a good passer I haven't seen enough pace or athleticism, enough bite or desire, or strength and aerial ability for his size to think he has anything else to his game. He's just a player who has had a decent footballing education. I think the Riedewald we see at 21 is the same Riedewald we will see at 31. I wanted it to work for him here, and he will be a good player for someone, but I back Roy in getting rid of him. Not least because he doesn't fit our style - he would be better suited to a passing team that plays tiki-taka. Good luck Jairo.

Hang on, has Andros Townsend gone?

I share your concern about Max Meyer playing left midfield as I don't think that's his position. I am really hoping Kouyate is just cover and that MM will be first choice in the middle, but we will see.

My bet is Meyer will be in the RLC role. Roy likes his players to be able to rotate, so expect wilf to drift out wide and meyer to drift inside just like RLC did and Jimmy does on the right with Wilf and Andros up top

Well if he likes players that can rotate expect to see a lot of Puncheon. I've never seen a player go round and round in circles as much as he does.

Presumably we could only afford this one if Jairo was a permanent swap.

If it's true that he hasn't agreed to the swap and the deal is dead, I think Jairo's done us a favour here.

Not convinced at all that Ayew is what we need.

Problem for Jairo is that he knows we are prepared to let him go ?

I do feel a little sorry for Jairo. He’s very talented and I’ve been saying this since we signed him. I watched him a bit at Ajax and he is brilliant. We’ve been calling out for a midfielder that can pass and retain the ball, he can do it. Give him time. Europa League final to being loaned out to Swansea (if that ends up happening for the Ayew deal) - either way I hope we keep him and give him a real chance in the next couple of seasons. He could easily turn into one of our more talented players.

If we do it properly Jairo in time could become the backup for Max. With Kouyate the backup for Luka.

Isn't it worse - sold to Swansea? It does keep changing I know. I would prefer a Loan but pretty sure the consensus is a sale.

I hope its a loan instead of perm - cracking player with great potential

From what i have been told Jairo will not be leaving permanent, more than likely a free loan, offset against purchase keeps in FFP as selling club reduce our buying price.

PHIL BARBER the Messiah has spoken. :D

Go forth into the streets and announce that JR shall remain a Palace player :lux:


#bellend

Just go away PHIL you troll

put me on ignore but you can't because you love it.

I thought you'd put yourself on ignore by announcing you were f*cking off?

Most people have cottoned on your act now and enjoy it when you make a fool of yourself. Not to mention your delusions of grandeur.

Grrrrrr Madam stop it you know you love it really

We need PHILBARBER.

Debatable.

Is he more reliable than PHIL BARBER?

Lets debate.

Good idea.

PS in PMs.

PPS not with me.

PHIL BARBER = tiresome moron.

Rather that Frebch cunit Barber the feckn green suited elephant. More intelligent than our one

Are you talking about Babar, oh intelligent one?

I agree 110%

Sure I saw Jairo on training photos today

That was Rakip.

Seen with Simon Jordan.

... pretty sure there was a deckchair in the background as well.

Good on Jairo I say, it looks even better to me that were keeping him with Meyer likely to bugger off on a free in three years time. We develop him at the same time and that will soften the blow. Obviously making the massive assumption that Meyer becomes an integral part of the team.

Difficult position for him to be in. Stay here playing a club he knows would prefer him to go and be unlikely to get much football, quite possibly not even making the bench or go and play in Championship. Can't be an easy decision for him.

Yup. I won't ignore him because he makes such a fool of himself one cannot help but laugh.

Probably is. I expect that wood-headed-church-organ-voiced manager who signed him stuck him on a salary way more than he was worth. I spoke with an Ajax fan on holiday just after we signed him and he was laughing at how much we paid.

I think the situation now for him and the clubs is now, 'awks'.

Sat on bench, big money too i think and he is not wanted.

Unless there is an injury not sure how he is going to breakthrough.

Its a bit of a shame really.

Still can't be too upset, He earns no doubt more in a week than I do in a year

These scenarios have worked out before. Remember when Brighton had a bid accepted for Garvan and he turned it down to stay and then went on to have a great season for us in 2012/13. It’s gonna be hard for him though. Definitely think he should try get a loan deal

I doubt he is "not wanted". I'm sure we will make use of him in some capacity, but just he is not integral to our plans so will spend much of the season on the bench.

Let's hope this has all rattled his cage in a positive way and he uses it as motivation. He's not a finished article, but only he can do anything about becoming one.

Which is why he should go out on loan somewhere, be it Swansea or somewhere else. It doesn't help his development to sit on the bench and play in the U23s

With Luka and Meyer not quite match fit I do think he will get a decent run in the first team over the next few weeks, if he does well he might push out Macca or Kouyate, or at the very least, force Roy to rotate.

Seems hopeful but this guy is far more likely to stick with us longer term then Meyer and he does have talent. Need to make sure we don't marginalise him at the very least.

I just dont understand why we don't loan him out?
I'm not saying we're as big as Chelsea etc but we are a premier league team
We have managed to bag one of the best talents from Ajax on the cheap; ok he hasn't managed to break into the first team and now he's got more people ahead of him.
He's got a decent amount of time on his contract, why don't we just loan him out and get someone else to develop our asset. Seems all too simple to me.

We actually have an Ajax wunderkid and a Schalke wunderkid in our team along with our very own wunderkid.

I'd be using Jairo in the cups and as a squad rotation player. If we improve the second team and I think we are then that side should be able to progress a few rounds in the cups with a sprinkling of first team players.

Well thats not gone well then has it: if reports correct the club have tried to push him out to 'Div2' and Wales...

Burnt bridges?

Honestly because we need the squad cover. It might be risky but Roy really needs to start using his subs to blood players a little bit also it might help reduce injuries a bit due to not stretching the first team 11 until it snaps.

I refer the honourable gentleman to Carter's post about Garvan.

Can someone help me out as to what Jairo has done in a Palace shirt to justify the faith some on here have in him? I just don’t see it.

He’s had 1 half decent game against City. What else?

I don’t think he’s a bad player but I just don’t think that he’s suited to the Premier League. He doesn’t look to be quick enough.

I'd imagine that if we don't sell him by Weds, it's a last day loan on thursday.

This really. nothing against the bloke and he may well turn out ok. But he has plenty ahead of him now and really done nothing to warrant being a starter at this level at the moment.

But was anyone suggesting he should be a starter? No different to Williams, Kirby, Kai Kai etc who people repeatedly want to see. None of them have done enough (or anything) at this level to warrant a place but people still want it.

I think a loan would be good for Riedewald, but even if not, I haven't seen enough to say he can't be a squad player.

He may have a few more infront of him. We don't know if the new players will come good or be as bad as fans of their old clubs say they are.
Luka hasn't had a pre-season. Puncheon has lost it.

Players can still be Loaned,to the Football League,until 31st of August.

I really feel JR has been silly not taking an opportunity to kick start his career at Swansea as playing on a regular basis would have enhanced his profile, he does not have a future at Palace regardless what some may think. He could well develop into a good ball playing CB in time, but will be fortunate to get into the midfield unless its in an emergency, his only chance that i can see will eventually be in Central defence but he is far from ready to step up any time soon, so the move would have helped his development.

I agree. Doesn't mean he couldn't come good but I haven't seen any evidence he will either.

We may be willing to but that doesn't help us get the cash to buy the forward we want. So trying to sell/ part exchange him makes sense. If we can't do that we may consider a loan.

Agree.

Feel sorry for the lad coming in by way of FDB, but he is 1-2 seasons off being a potential starter in my eyes.

How many times did Roy make no substitutions rather than even bring him on off the bench for 5-20 mins ?

Selling him would be massively short sighted in my opinion. We still don't have squad depth and he certainly fills the criteria for that role as a minimum.

I think some people are a bit down on him because of the ludicrous fee we paid, with Ajax and their supporters laughing all the way to the bank. Not his fault. I think he's had a bit of a rough ride. The manager who bought him was hopelessly out of his depth from the off, and then quickly got the bullet. What must the lad have thought? But he knuckled down and has put in a couple of decent performances when called upon. I'm undecided on him, but he's certainly not the worst player we've ever bought, just hugely overpriced. I would loan him for a season, not sell him just yet. And, like Mutch, there's no reason from his point of view that he should leave.

He also was very good vs Burnley, and okay vs Spurs. A great performance, a good performance, and an okay performance in his only 3 chances in thr first team at CDM is promising for me, as he’s so young.

Most of the posts on here bad-mouthing Jairo, are from people who think Ayew is the answer to our prayers.
RH said he has had an opportunity to watch Jairo more in the friendlies and was actually pretty complimentary. Jairo has been well schooled in a famous academy, and needs time to mature, grow stronger and acquire more "player personality".
RH has said that his task for 2018/19 is survival, and that probably goes for (rebuild year) 2019/2020 too. Of course he is still controlling expectations, and everyone hopes for much more.
Jairo probably won't be a 'make or break' player for survival, so the management may have decided he should be sacrificed (since Swansea were so keen).
In the slightly longer term, we are likely to lose a whole bunch of core players - and that is when Jairo will have the opportunity to become a first-pick midfielder.

TBH, I'm not sure he has ever fully recovered from the torrid time he was given in that first match at home to Huddersfield. He was played as a centre-back, where he seemed hopelessly out of his depth, culminating in him not even leaving the ground when Huddersfield headed the second.

If he had been bought and played as a defensive midfielder(and for a more reasonable fee) rather than allegedly as a centre back, there might have been a bit more patience with him, and his own confidence might not have been shot to pieces right at the start

I’m pretty sure Ajax fans said not to play him at centre back, and this may be wrong, but he played at left back the season before we bought him? Either way, I put little value in where FDB thinks players should play tbh.

No one at all is "bad mouthing" him.

He also came on in centre mid as a sub a few times and made very little impact, and was pretty awful there against Bristol City in the cup, very weak turning his back on one of the shots they scored from. I didn't think he was particularly good against Burnley either. I would only class that one as OK.

I don't think we've seen enough to make a real judgement either way but Roy doesn't appear too keen to use him and appears willing to let him to go to get another target.

If everyone is fit and we sign the other player we are after (whoever that is now Ayew appears to be off the menu) then I'm not sure he would always make the bench.

Likely bench:
1. Keeper
2. Ward
3. Kelly/ Dann
4. Schlupp
5. Jimmy
6. Wickham/ Sorloth
7. New player who probably isn't Ayew

Putting my sentimental hat on, I've been pretty impressed with him in the pre-season games. I can't help but feel a little sorry for him.

In the Phenom's documentary, he cut somewhat of a lonely figure when he got to Palace.

Interesting that he is not on the bench today while Puncheon and Williams are.

Injured? A message that he won't be used? Or is the deal still a possibility?

Jairo Riedewald discussion
 

I like Jairo

See ya.

Maybe he is not in right frame of mind to play

No Ayew for Swansea today

That is definitely interesting.

The guy must be on a fortune.

?

After hardly playing for two years, no push for a transfer

And uour point?