I didn't see game and he generally looks slow and lethargic to me . However just read a report on the match and it suggests he had a decent if not spectacular game .

He was given the chance to build up his match fitness with 90 minutes in south London in the U23 clash, and he put in a solid shift in the middle of the park, making some important challenges, and bursting forward from midfield when he could.
On one occasion in the second half, he single-handedly drove Palace forward after winning the ball in his own half, before taking on several opponents and laying the ball off, only for the attack to break down soon after.

I do like his commentary aswell however there is a distinction that rather than saying he needs to be clairvoyant, it’s easy to suggest someone should have done something different in hindsight, Bright does this alot. He does give some great intel of what a player needs to be doing and I like his style but this is my one criticism. It’s more a defence of Rieldewald than remark about Bright, all Im saying that the tackle wasn’t a big deal, there has to opposition to these kinds of comments otherwise then BBS echo will generate till the point people will have vains popping out of their hands. I felt Rieldewald played ok today, he is no Payet downtooling or not putting in effort as some would like to suggest.

Haha yeah. Pride before fall.

It's actually "Riedewald", although it's difficult to spell so I can understand how you got it wrong. ;)

Might be best stick to Jairo and Luka in future, it's easier :p

Personally I've always got a soft spot for technically good footballers and Riedewald does fit that bill but you need more than that to make it at the highest level. Just reading Ayew's comments recently was so refreshing, as he realised he needed to change his attitude and its not only noticeable but is getting him the rewards.

I’m sure he’d rather be at home eating cake!

Atleast Im having a crack at it.

I commited Murphy’s Law haha : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law

Putting diacritics and even writing in different alphabets is one of the few things that's easier on a phone than on a computer. You hold down the letter on the screen and a little menu pops up with different diacritic etc. variants and you pick one. To type in say Cyrillic you set up the Cyrillic keyboard in settings and then a swipe on the space bar changes alphabets. On the computer you have to fartarse around with another application, find the character you want and copy and paste it to your destination, or else remember some arcane combination of modifier keys and the secondary keypad keys.

Did we really need a 86 page thread to come with the conclusion he isn’t EPL?

Because he's being paid to play, wants to prove himself, I imagine this is the lack of effort in training that's not getting him anywhere near the 1st xi

I really don't understand why people come out with these sorts of comments. Anyone with even a minuscule amount of footballing knowledge, know's it's not this simple.

Serves us right for offering stupid ******* contracts

Your last sentence answers your first. Poor old workshop has been infected by Brighton Trollitis, in other words a bad case of the penistones.

Serves us right for making stupid ******* managerial appointments.

Sam told Parish to get Chris Wilder, Sean Dyche interviewed for the job, yet he went and got Frank de Boer...

Sean Dyche turned us down.

I'm not sure about that. I had the impression he wanted to join us but we wanted to go down a different route.

Dyche would have been perfect for us, but happy with we got Roy

Football.London, via BBC Sport:

'Bundesliga side Paderborn could be willing to make a second attempt to sign Crystal Palace midfielder Jairo Riedewald, 23, in January after failing with a loan move in the summer.'

https://www.football.london/crystal-...leeds-16888476

The source quote from that is from the day the window closed.
i.e. they haven't said they'll go back in January at all.

I read it another way and wonder why his attitude was poor before. Ayew is playing so well now it is hard to believe that he let himself and the club down before this change of heart

He worked really hard for most of last season too, particularly in the second half of it.

The way he made Wilf's goal, our 4th, at Leicester showed that.

That's so unfair and not how life works. Most of us can get stuck in a rut sometimes and it can be very hard to change your mindset. His point was not only about football but his home life as well.

Not only that but the level these guys train and play at is something we can only imagine. Yes they are playing the game we love and get paid a fortune but the amount of effort needed to get as fit as they are is enormous and very painful.

Full on Brexit 442 football, most boring team in the league :sleepy: no thanks.

Well said, one of the worst teams to visit selhurst in our return, even de boers team dominated them at their ground,

I think the sun has fried your brain

Ok, so Roy is also wrong then because if he’s anything like you seem to think he is, he’s be starting for us right ? He hardly makes the bench. We’ve been paying him a fat salary for doing fvck all. He can’t be arsed to try and improve or go on loan to get some game time. He’s a lazy fvcker that adds nothing to our squad. Roy clearly agrees.

But you want to keep him.

Wow

Now you're just making stuff up.

1) please point me towards where I said he's good enough to start - which is what I assume you mean by "anything like you seem to think he is"

2) please also point me towards where I said I wanted to keep him

All I said was that anyone with any sense knows, it's not as simple as just "getting rid" of a player

Why ? We and other teams get rid of players all the time, why is he so different ?

No answers to my two questions?

The facts are that we, and other teams don't cancel players contracts "all the time". Unless you can provide me with a list of players who's contracts we've been cancelling on a regular basis?

I was there and the goal also showed why Maguire is not worth 40, let alone 80m.

But still lost. Dyche is old school to a certain extent and learnt his trade in the lower leagues as a player. When we were linked with Dyche many felt an appointment like Dyche was beneath us. (Same could be said for Ashley Barnes when we were linked 18 months back)
They (Burnley) may not necessarily be expansive in their approach but they've built a model that works and despite you saying they're dour, they still scored 15 more goals than us last season and they will almost certainly score more than us again this term. We are hardly playing progressive football under Roy and have lacked creative players in the middle for a long time.
Dyche probably has a similar mindset to Parish where he has to focus on one season at a time without laying too many foundations long term but with the tight constraints given to him that's probably more understandable. Would I want him potentially, what I didn't like was seeing our fans thinking we were billy big bollocks and we are too good for him.

I’d love Dyche here. He gets a lot out of a limited team. He makes average players better.

I didn’t say anything about cancelling contracts, I just said ‘get rid’. Maybe I should have added ‘asap’

Contracts should be more watertight on service given. If I tossed my job off and didn’t put any effort in, I’d get binned

Clearly not what he said. Not even close.

Focuses on quality long balls. Would suit Tekers...

i thought he worked hard last year without the end product. hes always had a good attitude. thats very harsh, did you even watch the games Ayew played last year? nonsense.

I think he is a pragmatist. He works with what he has. I love the way his teams defend... he gets a tune out of Woods and ***** Barnes. He plays to the players strengths. He has got Burnley up... kept them up and established them as a prem team. All with a shitty squad

What Dyche has done on his budget is amazing. On top of that he has brought through some young players over the years, all of which generally get sold. I am not a fan of his, but he would make a decent Palace manager, imo.

Although I agree with the principal he's currently got approx. 150 weeks left on his contract x £55,000 week = £8,250,000 we would have to pay him to get rid.

No easy way out of that.

******* hell. The world has gone mad.

I mean he's been at Burnley for 7 years now? He is working with what he has, but he's built his squad how he wants them to play.

Lost due to a shit pass from a shit player and Scott dann having a 50p head, was **** all to do with dyche

Doncaster Rovers took highly-rated Crystal Palace youngster Kian Flanagan in on trial to assess him ahead of potential interest in the January transfer window.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...lanagan-815289

So ........................ Jairo?

And I killed a man for his giro today
Wasn't very gay, I didn't mind
I was a money man anyway
Killed a man for his giro today

And I killed a man for his giro today
Wasn't very gay, I didn't mind
I was a money man anyway
Killed a man for his giro today

Doncaster is probably the calibre of club interested at this point.

Well, it's him in the photo...

Ah, didn't click on it, so had wondered the relevance. :p

(not that that's a reason not to post on a thread on the BBS)

Have we told Doncaster that Riedewald is Kian Flanagan ?

ssshh ;)

Jordon Dutch, anyone?!

What a waste of a career.

Thought he did quite well today in difficult circumstances. Also had been wondering how he would possibly do at left back. I think he gave a pretty good account of himself and on that showing shouldn't be written off, he can definitely still make it here.

Yes awful game to be introduced into after 18 months whatever. Not exactly passing Dutch football and he seemed to be chasing a lot but hardly any match practice. Also looks like he spends too much time in De Hems in Chinatown eating bitteballen and drinking Oranjeboom. But wasn’t too bad.

Thought he did ok but Sarr managed to cross without too much trouble a couple of times. He did v v well with the ball however, set up a couple of attacks and never wasted possession...

He brought some calmness and passed well. He made a great first ball under pressure to create a breakaway attack that we lacked the quality to exploit. He'd do well at a club like Watford or Leicester, which is always looking for movement, technique and incisive passing and in which the entire team passes and moves well enough that even admittedly slower players like Jairo would have the time and passing options to shine within. It's Meyer / Camarasa MKII. May as well shift them all out really. They are good players and deserve match time somewhere where what they can offer has its place.

Played a lot at left back through the ranks at Ajax and at Dutch national teams

Now I want some bitteballen.

I thought he did well today too.

I don't think he has everything required to succeed at Premier League level, eg pace, but I hope I am wrong and wish him well

Found a place in Amsterdam that does vegan bitterballen recently. Happy days! :p

I think he's one of those players who, if he played for a top club dominating play and particularly in a slower division, Jairo would shine. We'd need to buy three or four new players ( and a new system ) to incorporate a player like him as a first team regular. We are so far away from having the kind of players required to dominate possession and allow a player like Jairo to shine that he is surplus to requirements unless we suffer extensive injuries, like now. Even then, we'd be better off with another pacy athlete with basic technical abilities since they fit into the only system the rest of our squad allows us to try. Its just like Meyer and Camarasa. Keeping them all on our books is a waste of money really. We're never going to move our club in the direction that can incorporate their kind.

I actually thought he played quite well at Watford today when forced to cover Schlupp at left back.

Yes, Sarr was their best player by miles and the only one who actually tried to play football. Got past Riedewald a few times but would have been the same with van Aanholt there I think. Rest of Jairo's game was fine.

Did well and looked quite composed

Quite a renewed 'baptism of fire' for Jairo.

Was he playing left back? I don't know but whatever, he did well and is clearly a class player.

Hopefully he will nail down a first team spot.

Thought Jairo did extremely well considering he’s been in the wilderness for last 2 years. He can pass the ball as well.

I was with you until this comment, that's just a ridiculous thing to say 'basic technical abilities' I dunno how long you've been watching Palace but in my 40+ years this is one of the best technical sides we've ever had.

If you're a small Prem club like us you'll find yourself relegated pretty quickly if you try and play dominant possessive football, ask Fulham or half the teams in the Championship come to that.

Been in the Wilderness? He put himself there by lolloping around like he hasn't given a shit in the U23s and Pre season friendlies for the last 2 - 3 seasons. If he actually had put the effort in he might have played a bit more.

Looks to be able to pass to his teammates which separates him from the rest of them...

I liked what I saw in him today. If he could just up his intensity a little think he could turn out to be quite a valuable asset.

What's his natural position?

Was good today at Left Back when he came on passed the ball well and linked the play well with Wilf etc.

As Hodgson said previously he is a good footballer.

You do wonder how much hunger for the game he has though to be a success.

Hopefully this is a new start for him. Was impressed by him when he played against Man City a season ago but seems to have drifted along a bit in the u23's.

In the coffee shop in Amsterdam?;)

Central Midfield but he is quite versatile

Its actually Centre Back but we've deemed him too small to play there

Yep. Him meyer and Camarasa are victims of the system roy plays. Shame because all 3 are talented

I can see Riedewald nailing down the left back slot if PVA and Schlupp are out for any length of time. I've always felt he only needs a run in the side and he'll start to show what he can do. I'm not surprised he struggled in the under 23's, he was probably depressed playing at a level below what he knows he's capable of. It's now on him to show us what he's got, prime opportunity if PVA and Schlupp are both out next game.

We can't play through sides with passing. Look at the kind of goals we've scored all season and about the only goal we scored in which 4+ passes cut through a defence and a deliberate ball led to a finish was against Arsenal. I can't remember many goals that demonstrated the kind of technical enterprise that Watford showed in three or four moves that came within an ace of being a goal in today's match alone.

I'm not saying 'dominant' football. But an incisive passing move isn't too much to ask for, is it? I agree this is the best defence I can ever remember at Palace but one of the 'best technical sides' we've had? Are we really comparing what we have now with the slick football we played with Cabaye and RLC in the team, along with a fit Sakho? Today, we could barely string three passes together outside of our half and if this really is among our best technical sides we've put out, then that says a lot about us, considering Watford looked so much more accomplished in that department and are propping up the table.

I've criticised him a lot but he put in a decent performance out of his favoured position today. Credit due.

Agreed, I thought he was really good in tough circumstances.

Playing the team bottom of the league.... :confused:

You ask what position he played, meaning you can't have watched him play, then say how clearly did well. :confused::confused:

I've not been his biggest fan but to be fair he done ok agaist a dangerous winger

Good distribution today.

You can NEVER have enough centre backs.

You're not kidding.
Play a blinder against Brighton and become an instant legend.

He did well, better than I expected.

Yes, we are better at passing and ball retention now than we've been in a very, very long time.

I don't think our thinking Jairo is too small is the reason we don't use him as a centreback. It's his near refusal to head the f'in ball.

We are. Since about 1980, I reckon!

There was me thinking he did well with a couple of headed clearances today... I must have had a low expectation threshold!

TBH the few times I've seen him play, this part of his game has always stood out....that's what you have to do to have played for Ajax

Very good distribution with the ball, not so natural defensively.

He did a couple but he also f***ed one up soon after coming on. Bit rusty I guess.

Out of place then.

He made a number of errors which could have been punished by conceded goals, but weren't. His first defensive header was really poor, later were better. As it went on he was generally better. Hopefully his confidence holds out as long as he's needed for us.

Always wanted him to be a success here . However I didn't think he played well today in left back roll . He looked comfortable on ball when moving forward but really struggled against their wide player , not sure if he managed to block any crosses ? Think he looks better suited to midfield role , but he does seem to lack intensity in his play so not sure RH will play him there .

Now you mention it, I recall that now - there was an iffy back pass too. I would say fully excusable though... talk about getting thrown in the deep end.

Did better than we might have expected. We are very unlucky with these defensive injuries.

I think he did well in the circumstances but certainly nothing that makes me think he is a genuine option to play there regularly. Hopefully either PVA or Jeff will be back for the Brighton game.