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exiledeagle 09-09-2019 06:16 PM

I didn't see game and he generally looks slow and lethargic to me . However just read a report on the match and it suggests he had a decent if not spectacular game .

He was given the chance to build up his match fitness with 90 minutes in south London in the U23 clash, and he put in a solid shift in the middle of the park, making some important challenges, and bursting forward from midfield when he could.
On one occasion in the second half, he single-handedly drove Palace forward after winning the ball in his own half, before taking on several opponents and laying the ball off, only for the attack to break down soon after.

MFBias 09-09-2019 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostrils (Post 14911710)
All about opinions I suppose, but I quite enjoy his commentary. It's not in any way polished, but he does add insights that you wouldn't usually get. And in fairness, you're a hard task master if you expect him to be a clairvoyant.

I do like his commentary aswell however there is a distinction that rather than saying he needs to be clairvoyant, itís easy to suggest someone should have done something different in hindsight, Bright does this alot. He does give some great intel of what a player needs to be doing and I like his style but this is my one criticism. Itís more a defence of Rieldewald than remark about Bright, all Im saying that the tackle wasnít a big deal, there has to opposition to these kinds of comments otherwise then BBS echo will generate till the point people will have vains popping out of their hands. I felt Rieldewald played ok today, he is no Payet downtooling or not putting in effort as some would like to suggest.

MFBias 09-09-2019 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Rhino (Post 14911761)
It's actually "Milivojević", although it's difficult to spell so I can understand how you got it wrong. ;)

Haha yeah. Pride before fall.

Billy Rhino 09-09-2019 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MFBias (Post 14911773)
I do like his commentary aswell however there is a distinction that rather than saying he needs to be clairvoyant, itís easy to suggest someone should have done something different in hindsight, Bright does this alot. He does give some great intel of what a player needs to be doing and I like his style but this is my one criticism. Itís more a defence of Rieldewald than remark about Bright, all Im saying that the tackle wasnít a big deal, there has to opposition to these kinds of comments otherwise then BBS echo will generate till the point people will have vains popping out of their hands. I felt Rieldewald played ok today, he is no Payet downtooling or not putting in effort as some would like to suggest.

It's actually "Riedewald", although it's difficult to spell so I can understand how you got it wrong. ;)

Might be best stick to Jairo and Luka in future, it's easier :p

Billy Rhino 09-09-2019 07:07 PM

Personally I've always got a soft spot for technically good footballers and Riedewald does fit that bill but you need more than that to make it at the highest level. Just reading Ayew's comments recently was so refreshing, as he realised he needed to change his attitude and its not only noticeable but is getting him the rewards.

Tim 09-09-2019 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 14911669)
Why would he apply himself in a U 23 game though. He s a dutch international and basically frozen out of the 1 st team. He s being asked to play in a meanningless game on his birthday to top it off.

Iím sure heíd rather be at home eating cake!

MFBias 09-09-2019 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Rhino (Post 14911781)
It's actually "Riedewald", although it's difficult to spell so I can understand how you got it wrong. ;)

Might be best stick to Jairo and Luka in future, it's easier :p

Atleast Im having a crack at it.

I commited Murphy’s Law haha : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law

chateauferret 09-09-2019 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Rhino (Post 14911781)
It's actually "Riedewald", although it's difficult to spell so I can understand how you got it wrong. ;)

Might be best stick to Jairo and Luka in future, it's easier :p

Putting diacritics and even writing in different alphabets is one of the few things that's easier on a phone than on a computer. You hold down the letter on the screen and a little menu pops up with different diacritic etc. variants and you pick one. To type in say Cyrillic you set up the Cyrillic keyboard in settings and then a swipe on the space bar changes alphabets. On the computer you have to fartarse around with another application, find the character you want and copy and paste it to your destination, or else remember some arcane combination of modifier keys and the secondary keypad keys.

TheMexicanHorse 10-09-2019 06:08 AM

Did we really need a 86 page thread to come with the conclusion he isn’t EPL?

aashman12 10-09-2019 06:46 AM

Because he's being paid to play, wants to prove himself, I imagine this is the lack of effort in training that's not getting him anywhere near the 1st xi

mcmean 10-09-2019 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 14911668)
Get rid

Period

I really don't understand why people come out with these sorts of comments. Anyone with even a minuscule amount of footballing knowledge, know's it's not this simple.

cpfcfan1 10-09-2019 07:18 AM

Serves us right for offering stupid ******* contracts

Maidstoned Eagle 10-09-2019 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mcmean (Post 14911967)
I really don't understand why people come out with these sorts of comments. Anyone with even a minuscule amount of footballing knowledge, know's it's not this simple.

Your last sentence answers your first. Poor old workshop has been infected by Brighton Trollitis, in other words a bad case of the penistones.

Stan the man 10-09-2019 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cpfcfan1 (Post 14911978)
Serves us right for offering stupid ******* contracts

Serves us right for making stupid ******* managerial appointments.

Sam told Parish to get Chris Wilder, Sean Dyche interviewed for the job, yet he went and got Frank de Boer...

costello 10-09-2019 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan the man (Post 14912118)
Serves us right for making stupid ******* managerial appointments.



Sam told Parish to get Chris Wilder, Sean Dyche interviewed for the job, yet he went and got Frank de Boer...


Sean Dyche turned us down.

Danny boy 10-09-2019 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by costello (Post 14912153)
Sean Dyche turned us down.

I'm not sure about that. I had the impression he wanted to join us but we wanted to go down a different route.

cpfcfan1 10-09-2019 10:44 AM

Dyche would have been perfect for us, but happy with we got Roy

MAW 10-09-2019 03:27 PM

Football.London, via BBC Sport:

'Bundesliga side Paderborn could be willing to make a second attempt to sign Crystal Palace midfielder Jairo Riedewald, 23, in January after failing with a loan move in the summer.'

https://www.football.london/crystal-...leeds-16888476

cockles 10-09-2019 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MAW (Post 14912402)
Football.London, via BBC Sport:

'Bundesliga side Paderborn could be willing to make a second attempt to sign Crystal Palace midfielder Jairo Riedewald, 23, in January after failing with a loan move in the summer.'

https://www.football.london/crystal-...leeds-16888476

The source quote from that is from the day the window closed.
i.e. they haven't said they'll go back in January at all.

Timbo 10-09-2019 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Rhino (Post 14911791)
Personally I've always got a soft spot for technically good footballers and Riedewald does fit that bill but you need more than that to make it at the highest level. Just reading Ayew's comments recently was so refreshing, as he realised he needed to change his attitude and its not only noticeable but is getting him the rewards.

I read it another way and wonder why his attitude was poor before. Ayew is playing so well now it is hard to believe that he let himself and the club down before this change of heart

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 10-09-2019 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 14912430)
I read it another way and wonder why his attitude was poor before. Ayew is playing so well now it is hard to believe that he let himself and the club down before this change of heart

He worked really hard for most of last season too, particularly in the second half of it.

The way he made Wilf's goal, our 4th, at Leicester showed that.

Billy Rhino 10-09-2019 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 14912430)
I read it another way and wonder why his attitude was poor before. Ayew is playing so well now it is hard to believe that he let himself and the club down before this change of heart

That's so unfair and not how life works. Most of us can get stuck in a rut sometimes and it can be very hard to change your mindset. His point was not only about football but his home life as well.

Not only that but the level these guys train and play at is something we can only imagine. Yes they are playing the game we love and get paid a fortune but the amount of effort needed to get as fit as they are is enormous and very painful.

CPFC_AwayDays 10-09-2019 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cpfcfan1 (Post 14912205)
Dyche would have been perfect for us, but happy with we got Roy

Full on Brexit 442 football, most boring team in the league :sleepy: no thanks.

aashman12 11-09-2019 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CPFC_AwayDays (Post 14912759)
Full on Brexit 442 football, most boring team in the league :sleepy: no thanks.

Well said, one of the worst teams to visit selhurst in our return, even de boers team dominated them at their ground,

Worksop Palace 11-09-2019 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Maidstoned Eagle (Post 14911990)
Your last sentence answers your first. Poor old workshop has been infected by Brighton Trollitis, in other words a bad case of the penistones.

I think the sun has fried your brain

Worksop Palace 11-09-2019 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mcmean (Post 14911967)
I really don't understand why people come out with these sorts of comments. Anyone with even a minuscule amount of footballing knowledge, know's it's not this simple.

Ok, so Roy is also wrong then because if heís anything like you seem to think he is, heís be starting for us right ? He hardly makes the bench. Weíve been paying him a fat salary for doing fvck all. He canít be arsed to try and improve or go on loan to get some game time. Heís a lazy fvcker that adds nothing to our squad. Roy clearly agrees.

But you want to keep him.

Wow

mcmean 11-09-2019 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 14912822)
Ok, so Roy is also wrong then because if he’s anything like you seem to think he is, he’s be starting for us right ? He hardly makes the bench. We’ve been paying him a fat salary for doing fvck all. He can’t be arsed to try and improve or go on loan to get some game time. He’s a lazy fvcker that adds nothing to our squad. Roy clearly agrees.

But you want to keep him.

Wow

Now you're just making stuff up.

1) please point me towards where I said he's good enough to start - which is what I assume you mean by "anything like you seem to think he is"

2) please also point me towards where I said I wanted to keep him

All I said was that anyone with any sense knows, it's not as simple as just "getting rid" of a player

Worksop Palace 11-09-2019 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mcmean (Post 14912826)
Now you're just making stuff up.

1) please point me towards where I said he's good enough to start - which is what I assume you mean by "anything like you seem to think he is"

2) please also point me towards where I said I wanted to keep him

All I said was that anyone with any sense knows, it's not as simple as just "getting rid" of a player

Why ? We and other teams get rid of players all the time, why is he so different ?

mcmean 11-09-2019 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 14912828)
Why ? We and other teams get rid of players all the time, why is he so different ?

No answers to my two questions?

The facts are that we, and other teams don't cancel players contracts "all the time". Unless you can provide me with a list of players who's contracts we've been cancelling on a regular basis?

Littlecaesar 11-09-2019 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddie McGoldrick's tash (Post 14912748)
He worked really hard for most of last season too, particularly in the second half of it.

The way he made Wilf's goal, our 4th, at Leicester showed that.

I was there and the goal also showed why Maguire is not worth 40, let alone 80m.

jaspercpfc 11-09-2019 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by aashman12 (Post 14912817)
Well said, one of the worst teams to visit selhurst in our return, even de boers team dominated them at their ground,

But still lost. Dyche is old school to a certain extent and learnt his trade in the lower leagues as a player. When we were linked with Dyche many felt an appointment like Dyche was beneath us. (Same could be said for Ashley Barnes when we were linked 18 months back)
They (Burnley) may not necessarily be expansive in their approach but they've built a model that works and despite you saying they're dour, they still scored 15 more goals than us last season and they will almost certainly score more than us again this term. We are hardly playing progressive football under Roy and have lacked creative players in the middle for a long time.
Dyche probably has a similar mindset to Parish where he has to focus on one season at a time without laying too many foundations long term but with the tight constraints given to him that's probably more understandable. Would I want him potentially, what I didn't like was seeing our fans thinking we were billy big bollocks and we are too good for him.

mushroom 11-09-2019 07:30 AM

Iíd love Dyche here. He gets a lot out of a limited team. He makes average players better.

Worksop Palace 11-09-2019 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mcmean (Post 14912829)
No answers to my two questions?

The facts are that we, and other teams don't cancel players contracts "all the time". Unless you can provide me with a list of players who's contracts we've been cancelling on a regular basis?

I didnít say anything about cancelling contracts, I just said Ďget ridí. Maybe I should have added Ďasapí

Contracts should be more watertight on service given. If I tossed my job off and didnít put any effort in, Iíd get binned

cockles 11-09-2019 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 14912822)

But you want to keep him.

Clearly not what he said. Not even close.

cockles 11-09-2019 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mushroom (Post 14912836)
Iíd love Dyche here. He gets a lot out of a limited team. He makes average players better.

Focuses on quality long balls. Would suit Tekers...

CpfcLoz 11-09-2019 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 14912430)
I read it another way and wonder why his attitude was poor before. Ayew is playing so well now it is hard to believe that he let himself and the club down before this change of heart

i thought he worked hard last year without the end product. hes always had a good attitude. thats very harsh, did you even watch the games Ayew played last year? nonsense.

mushroom 11-09-2019 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cockles (Post 14912859)
Focuses on quality long balls. Would suit Tekers...


I think he is a pragmatist. He works with what he has. I love the way his teams defend... he gets a tune out of Woods and ***** Barnes. He plays to the players strengths. He has got Burnley up... kept them up and established them as a prem team. All with a shitty squad

AJ 11-09-2019 10:23 AM

What Dyche has done on his budget is amazing. On top of that he has brought through some young players over the years, all of which generally get sold. I am not a fan of his, but he would make a decent Palace manager, imo.

Billy Rhino 11-09-2019 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Worksop Palace (Post 14912839)
I didnít say anything about cancelling contracts, I just said Ďget ridí. Maybe I should have added Ďasapí

Contracts should be more watertight on service given. If I tossed my job off and didnít put any effort in, Iíd get binned

Although I agree with the principal he's currently got approx. 150 weeks left on his contract x £55,000 week = £8,250,000 we would have to pay him to get rid.

No easy way out of that.

sydnsteve 11-09-2019 12:11 PM

******* hell. The world has gone mad.

Dan A 11-09-2019 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mushroom (Post 14912953)
I think he is a pragmatist. He works with what he has. I love the way his teams defend... he gets a tune out of Woods and ***** Barnes. He plays to the players strengths. He has got Burnley up... kept them up and established them as a prem team. All with a shitty squad

I mean he's been at Burnley for 7 years now? He is working with what he has, but he's built his squad how he wants them to play.

aashman12 12-09-2019 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jaspercpfc (Post 14912834)
But still lost. Dyche is old school to a certain extent and learnt his trade in the lower leagues as a player. When we were linked with Dyche many felt an appointment like Dyche was beneath us. (Same could be said for Ashley Barnes when we were linked 18 months back)
They (Burnley) may not necessarily be expansive in their approach but they've built a model that works and despite you saying they're dour, they still scored 15 more goals than us last season and they will almost certainly score more than us again this term. We are hardly playing progressive football under Roy and have lacked creative players in the middle for a long time.
Dyche probably has a similar mindset to Parish where he has to focus on one season at a time without laying too many foundations long term but with the tight constraints given to him that's probably more understandable. Would I want him potentially, what I didn't like was seeing our fans thinking we were billy big bollocks and we are too good for him.

Lost due to a shit pass from a shit player and Scott dann having a 50p head, was **** all to do with dyche

regal_eagle 16-10-2019 11:38 AM

Doncaster Rovers took highly-rated Crystal Palace youngster Kian Flanagan in on trial to assess him ahead of potential interest in the January transfer window.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...lanagan-815289

Chillo 16-10-2019 03:24 PM

So ........................ Jairo?

addicted_eagle 16-10-2019 04:41 PM

And I killed a man for his giro today
Wasn't very gay, I didn't mind
I was a money man anyway
Killed a man for his giro today

addicted_eagle 16-10-2019 04:42 PM

And I killed a man for his giro today
Wasn't very gay, I didn't mind
I was a money man anyway
Killed a man for his giro today

CP-RJW 16-10-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chillo (Post 14945181)
So ........................ Jairo?

Doncaster is probably the calibre of club interested at this point.

regal_eagle 17-10-2019 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chillo (Post 14945181)
So ........................ Jairo?

Well, it's him in the photo...

Chillo 17-10-2019 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by regal_eagle (Post 14946163)
Well, it's him in the photo...

Ah, didn't click on it, so had wondered the relevance. :p

(not that that's a reason not to post on a thread on the BBS)

thefox 17-10-2019 03:04 PM

Have we told Doncaster that Riedewald is Kian Flanagan ?

cockles 17-10-2019 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thefox (Post 14946337)
Have we told Doncaster that Riedewald is Kian Flanagan ?

ssshh ;)

cappuccinoeagle 20-10-2019 09:55 PM

Jordon Dutch, anyone?!

BillyTKid 21-10-2019 10:23 AM

What a waste of a career.

TennesseeKing 07-12-2019 05:42 PM

Thought he did quite well today in difficult circumstances. Also had been wondering how he would possibly do at left back. I think he gave a pretty good account of himself and on that showing shouldn't be written off, he can definitely still make it here.

Old Joe Paxton 07-12-2019 05:49 PM

Yes awful game to be introduced into after 18 months whatever. Not exactly passing Dutch football and he seemed to be chasing a lot but hardly any match practice. Also looks like he spends too much time in De Hems in Chinatown eating bitteballen and drinking Oranjeboom. But wasn’t too bad.

sunshine lucas 07-12-2019 05:54 PM

Thought he did ok but Sarr managed to cross without too much trouble a couple of times. He did v v well with the ball however, set up a couple of attacks and never wasted possession...

SOUTHGATE EAGLE 07-12-2019 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeKing (Post 15007770)
Thought he did quite well today in difficult circumstances. Also had been wondering how he would possibly do at left back. I think he gave a pretty good account of himself and on that showing shouldn't be written off, he can definitely still make it here.

He brought some calmness and passed well. He made a great first ball under pressure to create a breakaway attack that we lacked the quality to exploit. He'd do well at a club like Watford or Leicester, which is always looking for movement, technique and incisive passing and in which the entire team passes and moves well enough that even admittedly slower players like Jairo would have the time and passing options to shine within. It's Meyer / Camarasa MKII. May as well shift them all out really. They are good players and deserve match time somewhere where what they can offer has its place.

TC EAGLE 07-12-2019 05:54 PM

Played a lot at left back through the ranks at Ajax and at Dutch national teams

Sick Bucket 07-12-2019 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Joe Paxton (Post 15007789)
Yes awful game to be introduced into after 18 months whatever. Not exactly passing Dutch football and he seemed to be chasing a lot but hardly any match practice. Also looks like he spends too much time in De Hems in Chinatown eating bitteballen and drinking Oranjeboom. But wasnít too bad.

Now I want some bitteballen.

I thought he did well today too.

Timbo 07-12-2019 06:09 PM

I don't think he has everything required to succeed at Premier League level, eg pace, but I hope I am wrong and wish him well

eastend eagle 07-12-2019 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Joe Paxton (Post 15007789)
Yes awful game to be introduced into after 18 months whatever. Not exactly passing Dutch football and he seemed to be chasing a lot but hardly any match practice. Also looks like he spends too much time in De Hems in Chinatown eating bitteballen and drinking Oranjeboom. But wasnít too bad.

Found a place in Amsterdam that does vegan bitterballen recently. Happy days! :p

SOUTHGATE EAGLE 07-12-2019 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TC EAGLE (Post 15007814)
Played a lot at left back through the ranks at Ajax and at Dutch national teams

I think he's one of those players who, if he played for a top club dominating play and particularly in a slower division, Jairo would shine. We'd need to buy three or four new players ( and a new system ) to incorporate a player like him as a first team regular. We are so far away from having the kind of players required to dominate possession and allow a player like Jairo to shine that he is surplus to requirements unless we suffer extensive injuries, like now. Even then, we'd be better off with another pacy athlete with basic technical abilities since they fit into the only system the rest of our squad allows us to try. Its just like Meyer and Camarasa. Keeping them all on our books is a waste of money really. We're never going to move our club in the direction that can incorporate their kind.

Eagle's Away 07-12-2019 06:25 PM

I actually thought he played quite well at Watford today when forced to cover Schlupp at left back.

chateauferret 07-12-2019 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle's Away (Post 15007890)
I actually thought he played quite well at Watford today when forced to cover Schlupp at left back.

Yes, Sarr was their best player by miles and the only one who actually tried to play football. Got past Riedewald a few times but would have been the same with van Aanholt there I think. Rest of Jairo's game was fine.

Kai 07-12-2019 06:28 PM

Did well and looked quite composed

steeleye20 07-12-2019 06:32 PM

Quite a renewed 'baptism of fire' for Jairo.

Was he playing left back? I don't know but whatever, he did well and is clearly a class player.

Hopefully he will nail down a first team spot.

alexcpfc 07-12-2019 06:36 PM

Thought Jairo did extremely well considering heís been in the wilderness for last 2 years. He can pass the ball as well.

Sick Bucket 07-12-2019 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SOUTHGATE EAGLE (Post 15007875)
I think he's one of those players who, if he played for a top club dominating play and particularly in a slower division, Jairo would shine. We'd need to buy three or four new players ( and a new system ) to incorporate a player like him as a first team regular. We are so far away from having the kind of players required to dominate possession and allow a player like Jairo to shine that he is surplus to requirements unless we suffer extensive injuries, like now. Even then, we'd be better off with another pacy athlete with basic technical abilities...

I was with you until this comment, that's just a ridiculous thing to say 'basic technical abilities' I dunno how long you've been watching Palace but in my 40+ years this is one of the best technical sides we've ever had.

If you're a small Prem club like us you'll find yourself relegated pretty quickly if you try and play dominant possessive football, ask Fulham or half the teams in the Championship come to that.

Latvian Eagle 07-12-2019 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alexcpfc (Post 15007920)
Thought Jairo did extremely well considering he’s been in the wilderness for last 2 years. He can pass the ball as well.

Been in the Wilderness? He put himself there by lolloping around like he hasn't given a shit in the U23s and Pre season friendlies for the last 2 - 3 seasons. If he actually had put the effort in he might have played a bit more.

Malarkey 07-12-2019 06:44 PM

Looks to be able to pass to his teammates which separates him from the rest of them...

xmasape 07-12-2019 06:47 PM

I liked what I saw in him today. If he could just up his intensity a little think he could turn out to be quite a valuable asset.

cpfcfan1 07-12-2019 06:49 PM

What's his natural position?

SussexRed&Blue 07-12-2019 06:50 PM

Was good today at Left Back when he came on passed the ball well and linked the play well with Wilf etc.

As Hodgson said previously he is a good footballer.

You do wonder how much hunger for the game he has though to be a success.

Hopefully this is a new start for him. Was impressed by him when he played against Man City a season ago but seems to have drifted along a bit in the u23's.

Ardent Eagle Forever 07-12-2019 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cpfcfan1 (Post 15007940)
What's his natural position?

In the coffee shop in Amsterdam?;)

Norwich_Eagle 07-12-2019 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpfcfan1 (Post 15007940)
What's his natural position?

Central Midfield but he is quite versatile

Jordan555x 07-12-2019 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwich_Eagle (Post 15007949)
Central Midfield but he is quite versatile

Its actually Centre Back but we've deemed him too small to play there

Thefunkymonk 07-12-2019 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOUTHGATE EAGLE (Post 15007875)
I think he's one of those players who, if he played for a top club dominating play and particularly in a slower division, Jairo would shine. We'd need to buy three or four new players ( and a new system ) to incorporate a player like him as a first team regular. We are so far away from having the kind of players required to dominate possession and allow a player like Jairo to shine that he is surplus to requirements unless we suffer extensive injuries, like now. Even then, we'd be better off with another pacy athlete with basic technical abilities since they fit into the only system the rest of our squad allows us to try. Its just like Meyer and Camarasa. Keeping them all on our books is a waste of money really. We're never going to move our club in the direction that can incorporate their kind.

Yep. Him meyer and Camarasa are victims of the system roy plays. Shame because all 3 are talented

TennesseeKing 07-12-2019 07:02 PM

I can see Riedewald nailing down the left back slot if PVA and Schlupp are out for any length of time. I've always felt he only needs a run in the side and he'll start to show what he can do. I'm not surprised he struggled in the under 23's, he was probably depressed playing at a level below what he knows he's capable of. It's now on him to show us what he's got, prime opportunity if PVA and Schlupp are both out next game.

SOUTHGATE EAGLE 07-12-2019 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sick Bucket (Post 15007921)
I was with you until this comment, that's just a ridiculous thing to say 'basic technical abilities' I dunno how long you've been watching Palace but in my 40+ years this is one of the best technical sides we've ever had.

If you're a small Prem club like us you'll find yourself relegated pretty quickly if you try and play dominant possessive football, ask Fulham or half the teams in the Championship come to that.

We can't play through sides with passing. Look at the kind of goals we've scored all season and about the only goal we scored in which 4+ passes cut through a defence and a deliberate ball led to a finish was against Arsenal. I can't remember many goals that demonstrated the kind of technical enterprise that Watford showed in three or four moves that came within an ace of being a goal in today's match alone.

I'm not saying 'dominant' football. But an incisive passing move isn't too much to ask for, is it? I agree this is the best defence I can ever remember at Palace but one of the 'best technical sides' we've had? Are we really comparing what we have now with the slick football we played with Cabaye and RLC in the team, along with a fit Sakho? Today, we could barely string three passes together outside of our half and if this really is among our best technical sides we've put out, then that says a lot about us, considering Watford looked so much more accomplished in that department and are propping up the table.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 07-12-2019 07:41 PM

I've criticised him a lot but he put in a decent performance out of his favoured position today. Credit due.

newish eagle 07-12-2019 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddie McGoldrick's tash (Post 15008044)
I've criticised him a lot but he put in a decent performance out of his favoured position today. Credit due.

Agreed, I thought he was really good in tough circumstances.

cockles 07-12-2019 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by steeleye20 (Post 15007910)
Quite a renewed 'baptism of fire' for Jairo.

Playing the team bottom of the league.... :confused:

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Originally Posted by steeleye20 (Post 15007910)
Was he playing left back? I don't know but whatever, he did well and is clearly a class player.

You ask what position he played, meaning you can't have watched him play, then say how clearly did well. :confused::confused:

wrightchipvcfc 07-12-2019 07:50 PM

I've not been his biggest fan but to be fair he done ok agaist a dangerous winger

Pub Idol 07-12-2019 07:51 PM

Good distribution today.

Terrace Bickle 07-12-2019 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan555x (Post 15007953)
Its actually Centre Back but we've deemed him too small to play there

You can NEVER have enough centre backs.

moosey 07-12-2019 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeKing (Post 15007966)
I can see Riedewald nailing down the left back slot if PVA and Schlupp are out for any length of time. I've always felt he only needs a run in the side and he'll start to show what he can do. I'm not surprised he struggled in the under 23's, he was probably depressed playing at a level below what he knows he's capable of. It's now on him to show us what he's got, prime opportunity if PVA and Schlupp are both out next game.

You're not kidding.
Play a blinder against Brighton and become an instant legend.

RobertCPFC 07-12-2019 08:41 PM

He did well, better than I expected.

xmasape 07-12-2019 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SOUTHGATE EAGLE (Post 15007971)

I'm not saying 'dominant' football. But an incisive passing move isn't too much to ask for, is it? I agree this is the best defence I can ever remember at Palace but one of the 'best technical sides' we've had? Are we really comparing what we have now with the slick football we played with Cabaye and RLC in the team, along with a fit Sakho?

Yes, we are better at passing and ball retention now than we've been in a very, very long time.

MasterYoda 07-12-2019 09:01 PM

I don't think our thinking Jairo is too small is the reason we don't use him as a centreback. It's his near refusal to head the f'in ball.

El Aguila 07-12-2019 09:01 PM

We are. Since about 1980, I reckon!

Hedgehog 07-12-2019 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterYoda (Post 15008165)
I don't think our thinking Jairo is too small is the reason we don't use him as a centreback. It's his near refusal to head the f'in ball.

There was me thinking he did well with a couple of headed clearances today... I must have had a low expectation threshold!

Green Bin 07-12-2019 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Malarkey (Post 15007934)
Looks to be able to pass to his teammates which separates him from the rest of them...

TBH the few times I've seen him play, this part of his game has always stood out....that's what you have to do to have played for Ajax

AJ 07-12-2019 09:13 PM

Very good distribution with the ball, not so natural defensively.

chateauferret 07-12-2019 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedgehog (Post 15008169)
There was thinking he did well with a couple of headed clearances today... I must have had a low expectation threshold!

He did a couple but he also f***ed one up soon after coming on. Bit rusty I guess.

Penstone Eagle 07-12-2019 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pub Idol (Post 15008074)
Good distribution today.

Out of place then.

cockles 07-12-2019 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chateauferret (Post 15008192)
He did a couple but he also f***ed one up soon after coming on. Bit rusty I guess.

He made a number of errors which could have been punished by conceded goals, but weren't. His first defensive header was really poor, later were better. As it went on he was generally better. Hopefully his confidence holds out as long as he's needed for us.

exiledeagle 07-12-2019 09:25 PM

Always wanted him to be a success here . However I didn't think he played well today in left back roll . He looked comfortable on ball when moving forward but really struggled against their wide player , not sure if he managed to block any crosses ? Think he looks better suited to midfield role , but he does seem to lack intensity in his play so not sure RH will play him there .

Hedgehog 07-12-2019 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chateauferret (Post 15008192)
He did a couple but he also f***ed one up soon after coming on. Bit rusty I guess.

Now you mention it, I recall that now - there was an iffy back pass too. I would say fully excusable though... talk about getting thrown in the deep end.

Mr Palace 07-12-2019 09:46 PM

Did better than we might have expected. We are very unlucky with these defensive injuries.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 07-12-2019 10:00 PM

I think he did well in the circumstances but certainly nothing that makes me think he is a genuine option to play there regularly. Hopefully either PVA or Jeff will be back for the Brighton game.


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