He looks like a ******* pussy to me. You could see that when he ducked out of a header after 30 minutes against Huddersfield

Kelly was far worse

The way it is going is he worth trying at LB? I havent seen enough of him to know but I am sure I read somewhere that he can play there? We certainly need to replace PvA.

I think he played there in the Europa Final last season...

...when he gifted Man U their opener.

How much did we pay for Kai Kai?

£10m for a prospect seems like a poor gamble

From a throw in. Only the most unforgiving of football fans would hold that against him.

No one would pay more than £1m for Kai Ka at the mo. There's a reason for the price differential.

You wont get a young prospect for much cheaper than that! Though i do agree the money could have been better spent elsewhere, assuming money available was the issue, and not just incompetence.

In fairness I have hardly seen the bloke play but from what I read is he really any much better than some of the lower league prospects, who are much cheaper?

How much more than that £1m might Jairo be worth in January if he continues on his present career trajectory?

Maybe we overpaid?

Yep. Although I think Riedewald has potential and is technically good this was a vanity signing from the arrogant de Boer. That tosser must be laughing with his multi million pound pay off for ******* us over.

He wasn't 10m to begin with anyway.

Great one touch first time passing. Question marks over whether he can do the more ugly physical side of the game. Certainly at fault for the fourth goal.

No problem mate. Maybe in a perverse way it will help Roy to sort this mess out now he can see he is a workable squad of 14 to 16 players at best. Too many of the rest have no fight or character, or simply can't be arsed once we go behind. Need to get them out the club and replace with fighters. Maybe that in turn will help players like Riedewald. Big January coming up if we aren't marooned, you feel.

Or we could just keep buying older midfielders who also turn out to be shit. He's young the technical ability and potential is why we signed him. That's something SP wants. If the club can take wilf who was spindly as hell and bulk him up then the same can be done with Jairo. We have cabaye and mcarthur out of contract in the summer, ledley and flamini are already gone mutch should be gone. IF the club can sort his strength out (given his age that's for sure) then we might have a ready made mutch replacement who can contribute by backing luka up.

I don't think I've seen enough of him to form an proper opinion. You can't really take anything from the De Boer games because, well of De Boer. Since then he's only played sporadically and not in a fixed position.

I didn't watch the game yesterday so I don't know if he was poor or not beyond what I have seen here.

My gut feeling is, though, is at his age he's no better or worse than the better players coming out of the Academy. He's in no way an automatic pick. In which case, why did we pay so much money for him when there were other positions that needed fixing?

If he was an Academy player, he'd be on the cusp of being loaned out to a Championship club but because we paid good money for him he seems to be getting a free pass? I dunno.

Wilf was always keen and eager, giving it a go. He also had speed.

But whilst I agree that Jairo could become physically stronger, it’s his mental attitude that I question more.

He was sometimes a rabbit in the headlights against Huddersfield, but one could write that off as nerves/lack of experience/first Prem match.

Yesterday was a Championship level match, a perfect opportunity for him to stand out.

He has age on his side and a great CV, so I believe we could still recoup his transfer fee in January and spend that money better. His agent can easily spin to other clubs that the guy hasn’t settled at Palace.

Wilf's strength is his strength

Or we could develop him. He's been used off the bench now which is appropriate let's not forget he had punch next to him not luka or cable or jimmy. He's clearly not a starter when we hoped he would be but we can clearly do something with him.

So is the consensus here that Parish should've got involved and prevented this signing, as its pretty clear he had nothing to do with it other than sign the cheque?

Amazing that there are still people who rate this guy as a player.

Amazing that the club use terms such as "due diligence" when making signings.
In any real business, heads would roll for a mistake like this.

When we are adrift in the Prem, lacking strikers and needing more mental strength, developing Jairo doesn’t seem a priority to me. We need emergency rescue.

If he played with passion but his skill was lacking, then one could argue he’d be useful in either league. So yes, he’d be one for the future we could develop. My gut says he isn’t.

Having Punch beside him doesn’t exonerate poor effort. Indeed there was one incident when Punch fought well to win the ball, passed it to Jairo who just fired it back at him before he’d recovered his balance and still had City players snapping at him. Jairo should have taken responsibility to move the ball elsewhere, but lazily dumped the ball back on Punch to deal with.

We are just not the right club for him. We are a mess and constantly fighting fires. He obviously has a solid pedigree and played in a team that got the the Europa final. If he had gone somewhere like Southampton he would probably turn into a solid premier league player in a season or two.

The modern Southampton would not have signed this guy. They have scouts who can do their job.

Weak.Like an immature teenager....

Erm........

Whether he has the potential to develop or not, 9m€ for a young player from one of the weakest leagues in Europe was ridiculous. I asssume his purchase was a sweetener for FDB, at a point where Parish had not yet realised what a shocking management appointment he'd made.

He was supposed to be ready now with experience of playing in Europe. Him & PVA were a disgrace last night. Hopefully we can mug some Dutch team off in Jan & get some money back.

Questionable whether they would pay money for a technically good but raw, physically weak youngster when their academies are full of them?

Great assist for the 4th goal.

Apparently Ajax fans couldn't believed we stumped up so much money for him. Expect we will take a proper rinsing on any re-sale. We must be getting a reputation as a soft touch on transfer fees and wages. Maybe it's the only way we can attract players to our basket case of a club?

Yes, he is a work in progress, but I am hopeful he will prove very useful over time.

Incoming...

Absolute toilet, a signing who sums up the total disaster of a summer we had.

Brilliant at short one touch passing. Jury is out if he can mix it physically.

Funny how we all see and appreciate different things. I think he looks like he will be a class player and is already showing some good stuff. The mistake for the goal was a dumb mistake but he had an excellent first half.

I know we paid good money for him, but that's done now, so putting that aside can he be a success? It seems to me that he's only young and if he had come through our academy we would be raving about him and wanting him to be given opportunities. He's certainly got to get used to the physical nature and speed of the game over here, but I hope we stick with him because I think he's got something and will be a very good player in years to come.

I think there is a lot of potential there and it's harsh for him to be written off. I think he'll come good but he needs to improve physically.

Class?

He looks abosolute!y out of his depth

So far in the games I've seen he has shat his pants against Huddersfield, passed it straight into touch a few times v Burnley and done a Jeff Hughes impression against Bristol Ciry.

I can just about stretch to "potential" but "class" and "outstanding technical ability" on the evidence so far is la-la-land wishful thinking to an incredible degree.

Ducks out of headers.

Been watching Jairo very closely. He has an awareness of a Cabaye about him and is very good positional and off the ball. Roy will only play him when the mentioned is unavailable. Having all this at such a strong age is rare. I agree at the moment he is ducking out of things though, 2nd goal v Hudd was worst for me. Also he is struggling with the pace of English football.
As most of you should no this gets better with time, lots go through this, he’s 21 and if he gets to speed we could have a seriously valuable player on our hands in future IMO

I would like to think his aim should be to replace Cabaye next season.

He won't be around long enough. He probably asks his agent every day to find him a new club

He certainly doesn't look like a defender and more of a midfielder with a good pass on him.

You can't have a player who plays in central defence who can't get off the ground and head the ball!

Not sure what De Boer was thinking playing him there for the Huddersfield game. The English Premier League is a big more of a physical than playing for Ajax in the Dutch Eredivisie!

Ask Bristol City's players what they think about Jairo Riedewald having "class" and 'culture'. I'm sure they'd enjoy that.

Agree 100%, hope Roy has the vision to blood him in gradually, otherwise we do probably lose him.

His passes actually finds a teammate more often than not. I think he has great potential

As I said, it’s funny how differently we see things.

Genuinely made me LOL. Have you watched us defend corners lately? We have a whole bunch of defenders and keeper that don’t jump and a DM that seems to have given up jumping altogether wherever he is. We don’t even have a striker left to jump. It’s a joke.

Re Jairo, he isn’t playing CB and has only played there in that first game and so I don’t think we even know how good he is there. My comments are based on his performances so far in midfield which is where I think it’s more likely where he will play.

Maybe Roy needs to get them jumping up and down to increase leg strength?!

We always seem to struggle at defending set pieces although Tony Pulis seemed to be able to sort that out.

As for Jairo i think he has a lot of potential as a midfielder and great passer of the ball. Maybe he needs to get on the weights though to build up his strength?!

I bet he can’t wait to leave. Walked into a shit storm. Gone by the start of next season

Riedewald will be a regular for us next season. Give him a chance.

I am with you on this one

The foaming cleanser maybe? In fairness, he was a DeBoer buy.

Second time you've got that wrong. He cost 9mil and yes, 1mil does make a difference.

I agree, he's a tidy player, there is a player in him for sure.

How many of them would be a regular in an Ajax side?

I suppose that depends if he fancies playing in the C'Ship ?

Kai Kai will not make it as a Premier League player. Too slow and weak on the ball, makes mistakes in passing regularly. He has a song with the fans despite having done nothing at all in his brief cup appearances. He's 22 and hasn't broken through. If we aren't relegated he will go for nowt.

Reidewald is 19 and looks like he could handle it if he continues his development path.

This is key. He's still so young and he will get better. You can't expect him to come in a look like a ten-year pro.

He's 21 but the point is spot on. Takes time to adapt to a new league.

Interesting thread. Really hard to predict what'll happen with Jairo - could develop physically, learn the dark arts of the defensive midfielder and become the new de Jong, could equally fade into obscurity and end up going back to Holland on a free in a few years.

Suppose it depends a lot on his personality and desire. Doesn't look good at the moment but hopefully he just needs a bit more confidence and familiarity with the competitiveness of this league.

I stand corrected, I thought he was 19. Still he is streets ahead of Sully Kai Kai. Don't get me wrong, I want us to produce a team of youth superstars but players like Wilf are once a generation, good players who can hack it are once every 10 years. We only had the surge of players come through a 15 years ago because we had to play so many of them in the Championship, and we spent a lot of time struggling. Mullins, Routledge, VicMo etc so they really had a chance to develop but it was definitely at our expense.

By staying up Jairo won't be leaving, and he's a junior player, I don't expect him to grip the rest of the team by the neck and drag them through a shit second half. If the others had put in the necessary effort to play as an aggressive unit I'm sure he would've too. From what I've seen I think he'll come good.

He's looked awful in at least a couple of our games this season but I do think he has the raw attributes to become a good player.

Agree with others who say he could become a decent DM. I don't think he'll ever succeed as a CB in this country due to his lack of height.

He and TFM looked very good when they came on versus Chelsea and performed their roles perfectly. We can’t expect players this young (and inexperienced) to be the leaders that the team so badly needs. Same goes for RLC.

That was Delaney last year!

He'll be gone in January. Just a hunch but doesn't look like he's settled in and we'll need gaps in the 25.

So basically against cloggers. He's been playing in the UK for 3 months he's going to take time to get used to the pace of the game in the UK plus the fact that most teams in the UK play with monster athletes who can't pass a ball for shit but will rough up the opposition and make it difficult. We should know we have a lot of them almost an entire 2nd 11 of them (it only works for so long until teams suss you out then pull your pants down on the regular) and they are to a man ******* shit.

How can you judge a young players performance when he's been playing with a useless bunch of gutless wonders? I'd be coating our senior pros some of whom have a habit of going crying to daddy when someone gives them some home truths. Four managers now and the same large bunch of players have been shite bar the 8 match run before Sakho got injured.

What a waste...

Yep Palace will cash their Jairo in January

More deadwood that we’re now stuck with. We’re desperate for a clearout of squad fillers that just aren’t going to contribute anything.

Just imagine how he's feeling aswell. He plays for u23s and is wasting his time. Should of stayed at Ajax.

Thing is he isn’t dead wood. He was one of most highly thought of young players in Europe. Issue is he’s young, prob best playing deep midelfied and we are in a scrap. Would definitely keep him.. could be ideal replacement for cabaye if he goes next season

How is he deadwood ?

Yeah, I am far closer to this than the other opinions. He looks like he has something about him but I have to assume that his disappearance from the front line means he isn't in contention right now. TBH I have no idea why Fosu-Mensah isn't playing either.

I don't understand why so many turn so quickly against players, especially the younger ones.

Would probably benefit from a spell on loan.

Will have to be in the championship as he needs to get used to English football. Not sure how well he’d handle the rough and tumble but if he can’t take it then he isn’t going to make it at Palace anyway.

:supergrin::supergrin:

Should be our left back

The championship is rougher than the premiership when it comes to scrapping and tussling.
I don't think Riedewald is dead wood and could be a good player for us in the future but I agree he would probably benefit from a spell out on loan there with the right sort of manager and set up trying to adjust.
Being Dutch would Jaap Stam take him at Reading?

Eh? Schlupp was excellent yesterday and was good the two games before that.

I would like to see him given opportunity but it looks like RH does not think he is good enough . Not sure I agree with your comment in that he was one of the most highly thought of players in Europe though - did he struggle to get regular starts for Ajax last season ?

Spending £9m on him yet starting our season with 2 keepers who are out of their depth at this level and 1 fit striker really emphasises what a disaster our transfer window was.

That’s fair.

What’s he contributing to our season? Therein lies your answer..

The powers that be at Palace didnt want JR or TFM

Riedewald and Fosu-Mensah will both get opportunities in the Christmas period when RH will need to rotate. Expect to see Sako reappear too.
Any sign of Darren Anderto... sorry, I mean Wickham ?? :rolleyes:

Excellent? Really?

Not aware enough of what's around him a lot of the time.

Left back position at this club is a weak one, and for too long.

Can’t send him on loan to another Prem team as he clearly isn’t ready, and I don’t see any other league in Europe which has a similar style to English football whilst being of a reasonable standard.

I thought Jairo was pretty poor in his last couple of matches, like a rabbit in the highlights for some time.

However, I agree that there were a number of extenuating circumstances during that period and I’d certainly give the guy more time to adjust and more chances.

It’s too early to describe him as ‘dead wood’ in my opinion...he could come in at Xmas and do well.

If he’s still out the squad come the end of the season, sell then. I’d only sell him in January if he’s not fighting for his place or wants to return to Holland.

TFM looks like a talented young player to me. Jairo just looks bang average. If he goes onto be one of Europe’s top players I’ll happily eat humble pie but I seriously doubt it.

'Deadwood' after 4 or 5 months......jeez :rolleyes:

You don't have to be one of Europe's top players to play for Palace though. So you're setting a bit of a ridiculously high bar there.

Roy was asked about him at the Stoke press conference. Good to see a reporter ask a decent question for once. Roy said there was no expected return date and reminded the reporter that the injury was a bad one (a ruptured ACL I think like Bolasie?). He did however add that the latest news was better than previous.

We should definitely keep him. He's clearly got a lot of technical ability. But I can see why Hodgson is opting for more experienced players at the moment. I think Riedewald will come good though.

Despite this, given the gaps in our squad this summer it wasn't a wise use of limited resources.

Schlupp has been alright recently but I've always thought this was a great shout. He done it for Ajax comfortably, people forget he's still very young so he will develop a lot more. He's four years younger than Zaha!

Not every one is a hit in their first season, especially when you are moving country to a different type of league and the manager that signed you is sacked after 4 games, and you are in a relegation scrap.

Looked very comfortable. Good battling performance, and steady distribution.

He has only just turned 21. Let that sink in. He will clearly become a very good player. If he had come through our academy everyone would be going mad for him.

He played well today. Looked a little slow at times but his passing was pretty good.

Very good today :p