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cockneyrebel 08-09-2019 10:15 AM

Four day working week
 
75% of people support having a four day week. Labour is considering it as a policy.

I think it would be fantastic.

Anneseagles 08-09-2019 10:25 AM

As long at it is for all workers then I can see it being a popular policy. As someone who works in education not sure how this would work.

Nigel_Scarfer 08-09-2019 10:35 AM

As someone who is self employed, can I continue to work as many hours as I need to provide for my family and our future, or will "The State" intervene if I exceed the prescribed maximum?

Joe85 08-09-2019 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nigel_Scarfer (Post 14910480)
As someone who is self employed, can I continue to work as many hours as I need to provide for my family and our future, or will "The State" intervene if I exceed the prescribed maximum?



Does anyone stop you doing more than 5 now?

Yoda 08-09-2019 10:40 AM

I worked a 4 day week for a few years.

I felt I was working the same amount of hours (though some at home) and workload as colleagues receiving a 5 day salary. I put up with it because I appreciated the 3 day weekend, so the positive outweighed the negative.

I doubt this policy would work for many jobs, particularly those in customer service roles, catering, education etc. Someone has to be in the work place every day, so companies will seek to save money on the 4-day person’s salary if they have to pay for another person to replace them on the day they’re not at work.

cockneyrebel 08-09-2019 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 14910485)
I worked a 4 day week for a few years.

I felt I was working the same amount of hours (though some at home) and workload as colleagues receiving a 5 day salary. I put up with it because I appreciated the 3 day weekend, so the positive outweighed the negative.

I doubt this policy would work for many jobs, particularly those in customer service roles, catering, education etc. Someone has to be in the work place every day, so companies will seek to save money on the 4-day person’s salary if they have to pay for another person to replace them on the day they’re not at work.

But you could use the same logic to say therefore there should be 6 or 7 day week?

Anneseagles 08-09-2019 11:05 AM

If the Labour party are considering this as a policy then I would assume it will include all contracted workers.

WLYWLYAWYPWF 08-09-2019 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe85 (Post 14910483)
Does anyone stop you doing more than 5 now?

No he just wanted to let everyone know how hard he works. :D

Reps AJ 08-09-2019 11:18 AM

My salary stays the same for do I have to take a 20% pay cut?

Same salary for 4 days, where do I sign up?

Yoda 08-09-2019 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cockneyrebel (Post 14910493)
But you could use the same logic to say therefore there should be 6 or 7 day week?

Expand what you mean please?

If you’re running a school, ie normally a 5 day business, they can’t pay staff for just 4 days and shut on the Friday. So how will they fund having enough staff to cover a 5 day operation if they don’t shave a day’s salary off everyone who ‘drops’ down a day?

Maz 08-09-2019 11:34 AM

Same problem with many businesses. Fixed costs would make a four day week completely unviable ; effectively losing a fifth of output/income.

What would be the compelling reason to think this is a good idea?

NickP 08-09-2019 11:39 AM

I work a compressed working week with 4 nine hour days. But not all working patterns will fit that.

As far as the rest of the working population goes, there seems to be a theory that we are moving into a new stage of automation which will free up a lot of time from doing many tasks - so we can either let a lot of people languish and use food banks or rethink how we share out the profits of labour.

Bit simplistic to just announce a 4 day working week - there needs to be a whole lot of strategy behind it before it can work.

Stellavista 08-09-2019 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NickP (Post 14910531)
I work a compressed working week with 4 nine hour days. But not all working patterns will fit that.

As far as the rest of the working population goes, there seems to be a theory that we are moving into a new stage of automation which will free up a lot of time from doing many tasks - so we can either let a lot of people languish and use food banks or rethink how we share out the profits of labour.

Bit simplistic to just announce a 4 day working week - there needs to be a whole lot of strategy behind it before it can work.

Thanks, Nick, I was about to post something similar regarding shift patterns. I trust this is just the headline, and that Labour show they understand the complexities of today's work structures with a well-thought out policy.

Stellavista 08-09-2019 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 14910526)
Expand what you mean please?

If you’re running a school, ie normally a 5 day business, they can’t pay staff for just 4 days and shut on the Friday. So how will they fund having enough staff to cover a 5 day operation if they don’t shave a day’s salary off everyone who ‘drops’ down a day?

I dunno, school starts earlier and finishes later on the four days? Not sure I want bunches of Der Youth wandering around aimlessly for an extra day a week.

EagleSE24 08-09-2019 11:59 AM

I work a 4 day week. For 80% salary. Its been a year now and I’m quite enjoying it. I do it to look after my 2 yr old as my wife went back full time after mat leave. I’ll go back up to 5 days in time I think. Then revisit if we can pay off the mortgage.

cockneyrebel 08-09-2019 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 14910526)
Expand what you mean please?

If you’re running a school, ie normally a 5 day business, they can’t pay staff for just 4 days and shut on the Friday. So how will they fund having enough staff to cover a 5 day operation if they don’t shave a day’s salary off everyone who ‘drops’ down a day?

They will have to pay more.

But what I’m saying is that lots of business operate on a 7 day week basis as does the NHS. But you can still give people five day weeks, so why not 4.

MFBias 08-09-2019 12:19 PM

What follows is just my philosophical thought so I understand that people may take issue with it:

I completely for this the shorter working week. Work is an invented social construct. There is working for surviving or growing as a person but to spend most of your life doing a job that in the grand scheme of things isn't living. 3/4s of people’s days are spend travelling and working. Add in emails etc out of work, people are effectively chained around the ankle to their jobs. Is this the best way to live for the human race?


Part of the reason this country has an alcohol problem is that people work too hard which leads to a living for the weekend mentality. The extra day off would be great if it was spend on developing yourself or spending time with your family. We already lost Sunday as a day of rest in this country (due to shops being open etc the shift from Sunday being a day off rest with the family has been reduced to another potential working day. Shops open for business etc)

We have to be realistic. Population is on the increase and jobs will be come more and more automated. Simply humans wont need to work asmuch and there will be a massive over saturation of workers. It make take a hundred years or longer but we are still living in an industrial age, maybe future generations will look at us almost like the middle ages in our approach to work and how we develop ourselves.

MFBias 08-09-2019 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellavista (Post 14910555)
I dunno, school starts earlier and finishes later on the four days? Not sure I want bunches of Der Youth wandering around aimlessly for an extra day a week.

Kids needs shorter day rather than longer days. It’s been tested I think in finland to give kids shorter days and it has show they learn more.

School is glorified childcare really. Kids should be learning from school but by also learning from their parents and doing hobbies etc. How can a child learn from their parent if they are working all the time.

Yoda 08-09-2019 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cockneyrebel (Post 14910562)
They will have to pay more.

But what I’m saying is that lots of business operate on a 7 day week basis as does the NHS. But you can still give people five day weeks, so why not 4.

Where will the money come from to pay more....are you happy for your taxes to increase to cover this, and/or to pay more for products and services?

Businesses run a 7 day week if it is in their financial interest to do so. That doesn’t necessarily follow that they can easily absorb paying out more in salaries.

Sorry, I think you’re being far too simplistic to say ‘they’ll have to pay more’.

Happy Arthur 08-09-2019 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Maz (Post 14910527)

What would be the compelling reason to think this is a good idea?

A happy person does more work in 4 days than a miserable person in 5.


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