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bubbs11 30-05-2019 11:00 AM

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huf...00cfa19666528/

Esther McVey Says 'Parents Know Best' Over LGBT Lessons In Schools.

mushroom 30-05-2019 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 14776728)
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huf...00cfa19666528/



Esther McVey Says 'Parents Know Best' Over LGBT Lessons In Schools.


What a load of bullshine. That just means bigots raise bigots.

bubbs11 30-05-2019 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mushroom (Post 14776737)
What a load of bullshine. That just means bigots raise bigots.

Yep. And what’s worse is this vile creature is probably using this subject to try and boost her profile and Prime Ministerial chances.

dogstar721 30-05-2019 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 14776728)
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huf...00cfa19666528/

Esther McVey Says 'Parents Know Best' Over LGBT Lessons In Schools.

Esther McVey seeks votes, claiming parents know better than experts. Which parents Esther, the ones protesting or the ones who want their kids to be educated

ExiledStirling 30-05-2019 11:32 AM

Good to see to Nafir Afzal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazir_Afzal) who has acted as mediator in this, standing up for the teachers and the children.

He is critical of the lies and misrepresentation by the protesters who he says are led by outside agencies who have no direct reason to be involved other than to peddle their form of Islam. (My take on his Sky News interview)

Time for this to stop and the police to take action if need be, to protect the children and the staff. Extreme views must not be tolerated in this case, even if it is a politically sensitive to be seen to be taking on a protest that is predominately being led by Muslims.

dogstar721 30-05-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CP-RJW (Post 14773895)
To a certain amount of straight people who bully, abuse, attack, rape LGBTQ people, clearly it does matter. They’re the problem here. I imagine most LGBTQ people wish it didn’t matter, so they could live their lives without fear of these things happening.

Yet we as society keep pandering to the attitudes and prejudices that feed into those attacks. Somehow its ok to surround schools and protest, intimidating children and teachers, but not ok to teach children about facts of gender and sexuality.

Whether its Islam, Catholicism or Protestantism (or any other kind of religion) the role of the state is to educate children sufficiently to cope in society.

TopKnot 30-05-2019 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ExiledStirling (Post 14776828)
Good to see to Nafir Afzal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazir_Afzal) who has acted as mediator in this, standing up for the teachers and the children.

He is critical of the lies and misrepresentation by the protesters who he says are led by outside agencies who have no direct reason to be involved other than to peddle their form of Islam. (My take on his Sky News interview)

Time for this to stop and the police to take action if need be, to protect the children and the staff. Extreme views must not be tolerated in this case, even if it is a politically sensitive to be seen to be taking on a protest that is predominately being led by Muslims.

Yep. This needs to be shut down immediately, unbelievable that it is still being allowed to continue after 6 weeks plus. Must be so stressful for the teachers and kids.

Its not about parenting and ethics, its about lies, bigotry and political assertion. Someone needs to grow a pair and start making arrests.

CP-RJW 30-05-2019 12:30 PM

Sorta related: I found out today that LGBTQ people make up 24% of youth homelessness (keep in mind that only 4.1% of 16-24 year olds identify as LGBTQ). 69% of them because their family basically disowned them, and 62% have been victims of violence and aggression from their own family.

old git 30-05-2019 12:31 PM

Parents should be told if the children miss lessons they will need to find another school. It should concentrate minds as by all accounts it is a good school.

Golf Boy 30-05-2019 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CP-RJW (Post 14776887)
Sorta related: I found out today that LGBTQ people make up 24% of youth homelessness (keep in mind that only 4.1% of 16-24 year olds identify as LGBTQ). 69% of them because their family basically disowned them, and 62% have been victims of violence and aggression from their own family.

If true, that is a tragedy.

CP-RJW 30-05-2019 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Golf Boy (Post 14777024)
If true, that is a tragedy.

Source is the Albert Kennedy Trust, a charity serving LGBTQ young homeless people. The survey was carried out over 473 housing providers across 30 cities within England, Wales and Scotland and homeless youths between the ages of 16 and 26 were interviewed.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huf...00f94fe94cf6b/

Stan the man 30-05-2019 08:59 PM

Why does this crap have to be taught in schools. It's ******** weird, and i see no benefit to a child's education from it. 100% with the Muslims on this. Good for them, frankly.

ebyeeckeagle 30-05-2019 10:22 PM

Trying too hard.

CP-RJW 30-05-2019 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan the man (Post 14777292)
Why does this crap have to be taught in schools. It's ******** weird, and i see no benefit to a child's education from it. 100% with the Muslims on this. Good for them, frankly.

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adrenalin john 30-05-2019 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan the man (Post 14777292)
Why does this crap have to be taught in schools. It's ******** weird, and i see no benefit to a child's education from it. 100% with the Muslims on this. Good for them, frankly.

Do you think people in Syria are cowed by posters of thousands of brexit gammons on the March to Raqqa to join ISIS.

#brexitvalues

Hpalace 30-05-2019 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan the man (Post 14777292)
Why does this crap have to be taught in schools. It's ******** weird, and i see no benefit to a child's education from it. 100% with the Muslims on this. Good for them, frankly.

Could be handy to know when you are 7 why your mate’s dad is hugging his other dad or why your other mates mum looks like a man (cos she used to be) and is married to his dad. Also handy to know when your mate’s mum runs off and starts dating your other mate’s mum.

You know. Education. :D. The point of it. To teach.

Skintagain 31-05-2019 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ExiledStirling (Post 14776828)
Good to see to Nafir Afzal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazir_Afzal) who has acted as mediator in this, standing up for the teachers and the children.

He is critical of the lies and misrepresentation by the protesters who he says are led by outside agencies who have no direct reason to be involved other than to peddle their form of Islam. (My take on his Sky News interview)

Time for this to stop and the police to take action if need be, to protect the children and the staff. Extreme views must not be tolerated in this case, even if it is a politically sensitive to be seen to be taking on a protest that is predominately being led by Muslims.

Yes, its muzzy rights verus LGBTQIAYMCA....etc rights. Choose your equality and pick a side, its the teachers I feel sorry for, stuck in a lose lose situation.

Skintagain 31-05-2019 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CP-RJW (Post 14777358)

Don't nick my jokes.

weltklasse 31-05-2019 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Skintagain (Post 14777401)
Yes, its muzzy rights verus LGBTQIAYMCA....etc rights. Choose your equality and pick a side, its the teachers I feel sorry for, stuck in a lose lose situation.

top stupidity did you google it?

dogstar721 31-05-2019 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Skintagain (Post 14777401)
Yes, its muzzy rights verus LGBTQIAYMCA....etc rights. Choose your equality and pick a side, its the teachers I feel sorry for, stuck in a lose lose situation.

Actually its the rights of children that are affected, not LBGT+ or parents.

The question is whether or not the state has an obligation to educate children in issues regarding gender and sexuality as part of an educational curriculum. Given that the state does in fact instruct children in terms of common gender and sexuality, it seems reasonable to conclude that this presents only a very limited education, given that society is more complex.

As such, its reasonable for the state to expand its gender education to reflect the wider facts, or it would need to remove reference to a hetrosexual gender from its educational programs (in order to avoid teaching a false basis of gender to students which had no educational basis).

Pragmatically, that's impossible. I'm afraid these parents are just wrong, whether their Catholic, Muslim or Hindu. The role of education is to provide a factual understand of the world and skills necessary to function in modern society - not to pander to what pressure groups believe in.


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