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TheCharmer1 17-07-2020 09:51 AM

good technically but always looks lacking in pace and intensity. Good squad player as he offer's cover in multiple positions, but how long as he got left on his current deal? One more season?

AJ 17-07-2020 10:20 AM

The problem for Jairo and it seemed evident last night is that he doesn't seem sure where to play, he was all over the place last night chasing the ball and player. McCarthy who he replaced is more consistent in where he plays and what he does, which is more preferable to Roy than what JR does, imo

Ian Hart 17-07-2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieCPFC (Post 15307466)
I thought he did well when he came on last night, I think itís criminal heís not starting. The intelligence he has with just his movement off the ball is something we lack.

It is funny how people see things different ways. I'm a fan of his, and would have liked him to have more chances. But I was rath er disappointed in his performance last night

I appreciate he was only on for a short time, but that is part of my annoyance. Coming on with such a short time to go I would have expected him to bust a gut to be chasing every ball and closing players down. I saw none of that. What I saw (and I realise you saw it differently) was a player jogging around and putting in very little effort, despite him being the least tired player on the pitch.

I, personally, would doubt he did anything last night to persuade the management he should be starting

Jasper 17-07-2020 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian Hart (Post 15307748)
It is funny how people see things different ways. I'm a fan of his, and would have liked him to have more chances. But I was rath er disappointed in his performance last night

I appreciate he was only on for a short time, but that is part of my annoyance. Coming on with such a short time to go I would have expected him to bust a gut to be chasing every ball and closing players down. I saw none of that. What I saw (and I realise you saw it differently) was a player jogging around and putting in very little effort, despite him being the least tired player on the pitch.

I, personally, would doubt he did anything last night to persuade the management he should be starting

Fair point. The midfield is lacking dynamism and creativity and we haven't had that since Cabaye and Loftus-Cheek left. Ideally we need to add that in the summer.

Maybe Jairo will work well alongside players like that but at the moment he doesn't offer anything too different from the other CMs and probably isn't the solution to the problems.

Panther 17-07-2020 12:30 PM

The problem is surely that no-one seems to know what his best position is. FdB wanted him as the left side of a defensive three (or so I assume) and we know how well that went. He could be a LB but does not attack in the same way as PvA; he could be a CB but doesn’t look up to much in the air; he could be a midfielder but isn’t really the creative type we’re crying out for, even if his passing is generally better than certain others. I don’t know what the answer is and am not sure that anyone at the club does either. (Ditto re Meyer M!)

glenn.f 17-07-2020 12:49 PM

He struggles to get up to speed in games from what i can see. Unless he starts games he's always going to fall a little short by the looks of it. I suppose the only bonus so far this season, is the fact that Roy is at least starting to trust him now, which has to be a positive at the least.

OneSize 17-07-2020 02:10 PM

Seems like the kinda guy that needs consecutive games to get into the swing of it. Was ok when started at left back, by the time PVA was back, he was twice as good.

Timbo 17-07-2020 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCharmer1 (Post 15307476)
good technically but always looks lacking in pace and intensity. Good squad player as he offer's cover in multiple positions, but how long as he got left on his current deal? One more season?

I agree entirely, not sure I see this tremendous off the ball movement mentioned elsewhere and I dont think he is physically fit enough for EPL, but any player needs game time to gain match sharpness and feel part of the team, not just a bit part player

Stavros 69 17-07-2020 02:21 PM

He does look a headless chicken quite a lot when he comes on. Chases after every ball like an U12’s player.

switchboard 17-07-2020 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stavros 69 (Post 15307926)
He does look a headless chicken quite a lot when he comes on. Chases after every ball like an U12ís player.

Probably because he comes on only when we are losing and we need another holding midfielder.

philsick 17-07-2020 05:21 PM

jairo was poor when he came on last night and i'm a fan, but in fairness the game was gone, his teamate and friend had just been stretchered off and schlupp wasn't even pretending to do anything in midfield ,so it was luka and jairo trying to control a confident utd midfield 3 and luka was even worse.

TheMexicanHorse 17-07-2020 05:21 PM

Interesting

Turns out Riedewald isn’t the second coming of Frank Rijkaard, which is what some of our “fAns” would have you believe as an agenda again roy because he didn’t play the kid..

There is a reason why he ended up at palace...not good enough I’m afraid.

Gregz41 17-07-2020 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMexicanHorse (Post 15308110)
Interesting

Turns out Riedewald isnít the second coming of Frank Rijkaard, which is what some of our ďfAnsĒ would have you believe as an agenda again roy because he didnít play the kid..

There is a reason why he ended up at palace...not good enough Iím afraid.

Find me a quote. Utter bollocks.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 18-07-2020 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian Hart (Post 15307748)
It is funny how people see things different ways. I'm a fan of his, and would have liked him to have more chances. But I was rath er disappointed in his performance last night

I appreciate he was only on for a short time, but that is part of my annoyance. Coming on with such a short time to go I would have expected him to bust a gut to be chasing every ball and closing players down. I saw none of that. What I saw (and I realise you saw it differently) was a player jogging around and putting in very little effort, despite him being the least tired player on the pitch.

I, personally, would doubt he did anything last night to persuade the management he should be starting

This is what I always see. Him floating about never really getting close enough to opponents and just moving about doing very little as the grown ups play the game around him.

His passing is good at times but nothing particularly special. I certainly haven't seen him open up a defence and I'm not sure I've ever seen really create a chance. A lot of posters are suddenly demanding he starts to add creativity but I have never seen any real creativity from him at all.

He also has a habit of not closing down shots enough.

I don't mind if he gets a chance or two more but I certainly don't understand the recent clamour for him to be in our team ahead of others.

Sometimes when things aren't going well people a lot of people seem to just want any change, whether there is any evidence that change will improve things or not.

Hedgehog 18-07-2020 02:14 AM

I wonder if he is trying too hard? I also wonder if it under Royís orders to be left, right and center, or he is just doing it out of frustration. All very odd.

CP-RJW 18-10-2020 04:45 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ekns_vTW...pg&name=medium

GB2506 18-10-2020 05:01 PM

One of the very few bright notes from today. IF, he is dropped by RH when McCarthy is back I will genuinely give up until Roy is gone. The only player in the side that when he gets on the ball creates time and space for himself and can play an incisive forward pass. The ball for Bats disallowed goal with the outside of his boot was beautiful.

cpfcfan1 18-10-2020 05:01 PM

The only thing we can thank fdb for

Gregz41 18-10-2020 06:41 PM

Looked good today. Pass to Bats was superb.

danpalace07 18-10-2020 06:41 PM

The one positive today (Jeff as well I guess, so two). How has it taken 3 years to get him in? Hodgson and his fans would have you believe we just can't not have two workhorses in the middle - bullshit.

Philipw 18-10-2020 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CP-RJW (Post 15463143)

Brilliant ...

CpfcLoz 18-10-2020 06:46 PM

the thing is hes played well when hes been picked then gets replaced when one of Roys favourites is fit. then luka would have a shocker and get picked again no matter what! everyone should get the same opportunity to impress but Roy is just so frustrating sometimes!

Since 1968 18-10-2020 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregz41 (Post 15463639)
Looked good today. Pass to Bats was superb.

If he was good, why did we only create one chance?

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 18-10-2020 06:54 PM

Definitely encouraging.

BillyTKid 18-10-2020 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Since 1968 (Post 15463660)
If he was good, why did we only create one chance?

How many did Mcarthur create?

Gregz41 18-10-2020 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Since 1968 (Post 15463660)
If he was good, why did we only create one chance?

Setup was too negative. We barely crossed the halfway line as a team. He produced the most creative moment from our entire team. Definitely not at fault today for that shower. Blame lies entirely at Roy.

SA Eagle 18-10-2020 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by danpalace07 (Post 15463644)
The one positive today (Jeff as well I guess, so two). How has it taken 3 years to get him in? Hodgson and his fans would have you believe we just can't not have two workhorses in the middle - bullshit.

He played well, BUT the midfield (and generally as team) didn't impose ourselves on their midfield so you can see why Hodgson could say it didn't work. I'd still like to see him in the team as I think there should be a place for him, but the question is what formation and alongside who?

andyf5000 18-10-2020 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregz41 (Post 15463639)
Looked good today. Pass to Bats was superb.


This [emoji115]🏼

andyf5000 18-10-2020 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Since 1968 (Post 15463660)
If he was good, why did we only create one chance?


Because Roy doesnít allow his team to get people forward because heís constantly focused on maintaining shape and getting men behind the ball. If we occasionally pressed in the opposition half or tried to overload certain areas by getting multiple men forward, we might create more chances and then go knows maybe even excite the fans.

El Aguila 18-10-2020 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by danpalace07 (Post 15463644)
The one positive today (Jeff as well I guess, so two). How has it taken 3 years to get him in? Hodgson and his fans would have you believe we just can't not have two workhorses in the middle - bullshit.

He hasnít always played like he did today.
Roy could have played Luka - he didnít.

Stavros 69 18-10-2020 09:25 PM

Certainly looks more mobile than before.

red&blue_moomin 18-10-2020 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by El Aguila (Post 15463915)
He hasnít always played like he did today.
Roy could have played Luka - he didnít.

It doesn't seem to have occurred to anyone that our coaching staff have improved Jairo. He got played right through pre-season. Hodgson said he'd done well and he would have been starting for us had he not gotten injured.

My personal feeling is that we might see Jairo and Luka playing together once Luka is back up to match fitness. That is likely to be the closest we get to the Cabaye, Luka duo from 2017.

cpfc4evandeva 18-10-2020 09:40 PM

I like him.

chateauferret 18-10-2020 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Since 1968 (Post 15463660)
If he was good, why did we only create one chance?

We don't want our players creating chances. They might forget to defend.

Pierre 18-10-2020 10:47 PM

Best Palace player out there today by a mile!

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 18-10-2020 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by red&blue_moomin (Post 15463947)
It doesn't seem to have occurred to anyone that our coaching staff have improved Jairo. He got played right through pre-season. Hodgson said he'd done well and he would have been starting for us had he not gotten injured.

My personal feeling is that we might see Jairo and Luka playing together once Luka is back up to match fitness. That is likely to be the closest we get to the Cabaye, Luka duo from 2017.

Will be interesting. Jairo also has at times seemed like someone who needs to believe in himself a bit more. A good performance today in his preferred position will hopefully really start to build him up.

Hedgehog 19-10-2020 12:56 AM

Saw a few Brighton players bounce off of him, which was good to see. Seems a lot more mobile at the same time. A good combination.

Skintagain 19-10-2020 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by andyf5000 (Post 15463901)
Because Roy doesnít allow his team to get people forward because heís constantly focused on maintaining shape and getting men behind the ball. If we occasionally pressed in the opposition half or tried to overload certain areas by getting multiple men forward, we might create more chances and then go knows maybe even excite the fans.

The pressing is pathetic, we don't really do it. Zaha doesn't, Bats doesn't, Ayew works hard without the ball but its not organised as the midfield immediately drops into a deep line of 4. With only Ayew doing it its totally ineffective and just wears him out.

ForzaPalace 19-10-2020 06:00 AM

Great player. Another one wasted here though. Will be out of the picture as soon as McCarthy is fit and we’ll sell him and wonder what could have been. Just like Campana, Camarasa etc.

glaziers fan 19-10-2020 06:06 AM

I think he’s really kicked on. He looks more robust and a complete midfielder. Very impressive performance. If he keeps it up he shouldn’t lose his place all season. Think his best partner would be McCarthy.

Happy Arthur 19-10-2020 06:12 AM

He can't like playing for us. He plays well then gets dropped.

Sharkba1t 19-10-2020 06:39 AM

He looked good yesterday, neat and tidy passing in tight areas and didn’t give the ball away. The pass to Bats was a thing of beauty. I really hope he doesn’t get dropped.

glaziers fan 19-10-2020 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by red&blue_moomin (Post 15463947)
It doesn't seem to have occurred to anyone that our coaching staff have improved Jairo. He got played right through pre-season. Hodgson said he'd done well and he would have been starting for us had he not gotten injured.

My personal feeling is that we might see Jairo and Luka playing together once Luka is back up to match fitness. That is likely to be the closest we get to the Cabaye, Luka duo from 2017.

I agree. When Milivojevic is up to speed and fully fit that should be our centre mid.

Bungalow 19-10-2020 07:33 AM

He cannot possibly be dropped after his performance yesterday. It was the one positive to come out of the game.

Gregz41 19-10-2020 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bungalow (Post 15464246)
He cannot possibly be dropped after his performance yesterday. It was the one positive to come out of the game.

You are certainly correct, however I fear for his place though. I don't think Roy rates him as much as McCarthy. He's a much better footballer though.

SA Eagle 19-10-2020 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregz41 (Post 15464302)
You are certainly correct, however I fear for his place though. I don't think Roy rates him as much as McCarthy. He's a much better footballer though.

The risk to Jairo is that the central two of McArthur and Jairo didn't really work, coupled with the 442 formation (if that's really what it was considering Wilf was rarely central enough) not working yesterday. If Roy goes back to a central 3 he has historically preferred the box to box of McArthur and the strength of Schluup along side a 'ball winner' which often leaves Jairo as the odd one out.

Gregz41 19-10-2020 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SA Eagle (Post 15464312)
The risk to Jairo is that the central two of McArthur and Jairo didn't really work, coupled with the 442 formation (if that's really what it was considering Wilf was rarely central enough) not working yesterday. If Roy goes back to a central 3 he has historically preferred the box to box of McArthur and the strength of Schluup along side a 'ball winner' which often leaves Jairo as the odd one out.

Yeah, I would like to see something close to a 433 with Jairo and Luka applying the shield with Eze in front of him. Schlupp can provide lots of competition to Townsend.

Celestial Empire 19-10-2020 08:55 PM

Potter was keen to take Jairo to Swansea. Hope he enjoyed that performance. :)

Golf Boy 20-10-2020 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Arthur (Post 15464176)
He can't like playing for us. He plays well then gets dropped.

He must be on a wedge he canít get anywhere else, otherwise heíd have been off. The type of footballer that i like to watch. The best passer in the club by a mile.

Essexeagle 20-10-2020 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SA Eagle (Post 15463695)
He played well, BUT the midfield (and generally as team) didn't impose ourselves on their midfield so you can see why Hodgson could say it didn't work. I'd still like to see him in the team as I think there should be a place for him, but the question is what formation and alongside who?

Kind of, but they didn't really play through us in the middle. Most of their success came from going wide and attacking our full-backs because we always set up to defend narrow.

TouchyAndalou 20-10-2020 07:54 AM

He's our only midfielder with a bit of composure. Several times he received the ball and didn't immediately look to get rid of it. Instead he looked up and took a second to pick the right pass or move the ball forward himself before releasing a teammate. And he usually made the right decision. Hopefully he keeps his place in the side.

Martin H 20-10-2020 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TouchyAndalou (Post 15466110)
He's our only midfielder with a bit of composure. Several times he received the ball and didn't immediately look to get rid of it. Instead he looked up and took a second to pick the right pass or move the ball forward himself before releasing a teammate. And he usually made the right decision. Hopefully he keeps his place in the side.

Agree he should keep his place. It was a big match for him and I think he came out of it very well. There were a couple of moments that will be pointed out this week in the reviews that he needs to tighten up on but it was overall very good. Really pleased for him. I have always liked him but TBF I don't think he was worth a starting place until around his left back appearances and he has improved his game significantly. Certainly upped the tempo and impact. I watch the U23 streams whenever available and although you could see he was often the most capable player he didn't make that count. Then, I think he finally heard what was being asked of him and started to boss games and then his LB chance appeared and he took that well.

He has until Xmas to prove himself I reckon.

glaziers fan 20-10-2020 09:53 AM

It’s great news that he’s been given a chance ahead of Luka. Hope he continues to play well because he certainly has more talent and capability on the ball than the Maccas or Luka.

Happy Arthur 20-10-2020 09:54 AM

Jairo has been ready for a year. Really hope he gets a run.
Build your team around Jairo, Eze and Zaha.

Ticehurst 20-10-2020 10:00 AM

Totally agree happy Arthur..

dim 20-10-2020 10:04 AM

He's tremendously entertaining. In short supply.

Another Oxted Eagle 20-10-2020 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dim (Post 15466251)
He's tremendously entertaining. In short supply.

He is entertaining like watching a boxer who can punch but has a glass jaw !

Every time the ball was played to him in a tight area I feared hed get robbed but he seems to be a bit bulkier than last season and shielded the ball well. He also didnt play quick passes for the sake of playing quick passes which he was guilty of before.

He is entertaining and thats probably why Roy will drop him

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 20-10-2020 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Another Oxted Eagle (Post 15466257)
He is entertaining like watching a boxer who can punch but has a glass jaw !

Every time the ball was played to him in a tight area I feared hed get robbed but he seems to be a bit bulkier than last season and shielded the ball well. He also didnt play quick passes for the sake of playing quick passes which he was guilty of before.

He is entertaining and thats probably why Roy will drop him

I don't think he will. Jairo hasn't shown the ability or that he is better than other options until now. If he continues to then I think he will keep his place.

Big Blue Eagle 20-10-2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddie McGoldrick's tash (Post 15466286)
I don't think he will. Jairo hasn't shown the ability or that he is better than other options until now. If he continues to then I think he will keep his place.

Agree - all the evidence from pre season was that JW was the chosen CM alongside one or other of the Macs (Luka is clearly out of favour a bit at the moment) but his late injury created the opportunity for both Macs to play, and play well initially.

Maidstoned Eagle 20-10-2020 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Arthur (Post 15466241)
Jairo has been ready for a year. Really hope he gets a run.
Build your team around Jairo, Eze and Zaha.

:p

Timbo 20-10-2020 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddie McGoldrick's tash (Post 15466286)
I don't think he will. Jairo hasn't shown the ability or that he is better than other options until now. If he continues to then I think he will keep his place.

I agree in spirit but our midfield of JR and JMac didnt win much ball and seemed pressured as a unit. In fairness maybe that is because we got less out of Schlupp who was constantly covering for Mitchell up against a lively Lamptey

AJ 20-10-2020 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TouchyAndalou (Post 15466110)
He's our only midfielder with a bit of composure. Several times he received the ball and didn't immediately look to get rid of it. Instead he looked up and took a second to pick the right pass or move the ball forward himself before releasing a teammate. And he usually made the right decision. Hopefully he keeps his place in the side.

Which speaks volumes about those around him as Jairo was a defender when we signed him.

GB2506 20-10-2020 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AJ (Post 15466344)
Which speaks volumes about those around him as Jairo was a defender when we signed him.

Heís always said his preferred and best position is CM

GB2506 20-10-2020 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 15466319)
I agree in spirit but our midfield of JR and JMac didnt win much ball and seemed pressured as a unit. In fairness maybe that is because we got less out of Schlupp who was constantly covering for Mitchell up against a lively Lamptey

They had 3 CM we had 2. Wasnít until about the 75th minute Roy changed it but Schlupp couldnít stay centrally as he kept having to help Mitchell out. I think McCarthy would be a better partner for JR out of all the other options.

Martin H 20-10-2020 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ (Post 15466344)
Which speaks volumes about those around him as Jairo was a defender when we signed him.

He had played left back centre back and in midfield for Ajax. It's in midfield that he considers himself best.

glaziers fan 20-10-2020 12:19 PM

Interview with Jairo in the Evening Standard, not sure if it's been mentioned. Yes, it was obvious Hodgson trusted Jairo for the first time in pre season. The concern was that after his hamstring injury he would drop below Luka again in the pecking order but Roy got it right and it was a deserved opportunity. He did enough in the Brighton game to get a run of 4 or 5 more games as a minimum. Jairo comes across well in the interview. A leader I reckon.

Hope we can find the right partner for him.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-a4572117.html

Gregz41 20-10-2020 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by glaziers fan (Post 15466414)
Interview with Jairo in the Evening Standard, not sure if it's been mentioned. Yes, it was obvious Hodgson trusted Jairo for the first time in pre season. The concern was that after his hamstring injury he would drop below Luka again in the pecking order but Roy got it right and it was a deserved opportunity. He did enough in the Brighton game to get a run of 4 or 5 more games as a minimum. Jairo comes across well in the interview. A leader I reckon.

Hope we can find the right partner for him.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-a4572117.html

He is saying the right things and it is refreshing to hear the desire to use the ball in a more creative way. He's technically much better than Mcarthur/McCarthy/Milivojevic. Would like to see him in a three man midfield with Eze and one other.

Golf Boy 20-10-2020 01:15 PM

He needs a couple of enforcers and to be let loose. We’d have to sacrifice one odd the front two or a winger though.

BringbackShipps 20-10-2020 01:36 PM

As someone that came through the Ajax academy I’d love to know what he makes of (and says) to his teammates when they sh*t themselves under pressure.

MAW 20-10-2020 01:40 PM

Let's hope he is incentivised to add to his three Netherlands caps.

scro 20-10-2020 01:47 PM

I have nothing against him but it goes to how how starved of decent passers we have been that everyone is creaming their knickers about him now. To think Jairo is now the messiah and some people didn't rate cabaye!

andyf5000 20-10-2020 01:58 PM

Jairo is composed on the ball and can play a forward pass which among our current crop of midfielders makes him stand out. Iíd like to see him alongside McCarthy who offers more bite than MacArthur whoís been a great servant but should probably start on the bench.

Golf Boy 20-10-2020 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scro (Post 15466629)
I have nothing against him but it goes to how how starved of decent passers we have been that everyone is creaming their knickers about him now. To think Jairo is now the messiah and some people didn't rate cabaye!

He passes as well as Cabaye did when he played for us.

Ticehurst 20-10-2020 02:10 PM

We've been crying out for a box to box midfielder for ages oh for an Andy gray ,Geoff Thomas ..we desperately need an engine in that midfield..

BillyTKid 20-10-2020 02:12 PM

Jairo isn’t as good a player as Cabaye but I think he is a better passer.

ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-o 20-10-2020 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ticehurst (Post 15466657)
We've been crying out for a box to box midfielder for ages oh for an Andy gray ,Geoff Thomas ..we desperately need an engine in that midfield..

I'm not sure he's in that mould at all.
I like him a lot..but he's slower than Andy and Geoff..and whilst he does get box to box it's not quite with the same dynamism that those two had.

He sees a pass well and can get out of tight situations well.
His engine is questionable but that may be down purely to lack of matches at first team level.

I think he should sit either just behind the front 2/3 or just in front of the back four. I think he could do either...but at the moment I think he would struggle if we ask him to be up and down for 90 mins.

Eagle Black 20-10-2020 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GB2506 (Post 15466376)
Heís always said his preferred and best position is CM

You watch Roy bring back McCarthy when he's fit.

Jairo looked real class and should remain in the side.

cpfcfan1 20-10-2020 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle Black (Post 15466827)
You watch Roy bring back McCarthy when he's fit.

Jairo looked real class and should remain in the side.

Wouldn't even surprise you to see jairo dropped for luka next game

winners 20-10-2020 04:37 PM

Interesting he states he has come back stronger and fitter this year. I think it shows and I still think he has work to do in that area. There is a place there for him, but he needs to work hard and earn it/deserve it.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 20-10-2020 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cpfcfan1 (Post 15466841)
Wouldn't even surprise you to see jairo dropped for luka next game

Would surprise me.

The Vicar 20-10-2020 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddie McGoldrick's tash (Post 15466876)
Would surprise me.

Ditto

16eagles 20-10-2020 09:36 PM

When his contract up?

The12thman 20-10-2020 10:11 PM

July Ď22

16eagles 20-10-2020 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The12thman (Post 15467165)
July Ď22

Ok thanks..I know thereís a few up. Vicente seems to be most urgent. We should be talking now as he will be able to speak with clubs 8-10 weeks.

orp pisshead1 21-10-2020 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cpfcfan1 (Post 15466841)
Wouldn't even surprise you to see jairo dropped for luka next game

Why ? Roy clearly trusts Jairo now & Iíd put McCarthy next to him but means dropping Macca:frown:

casinocolin 21-10-2020 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by orp pisshead1 (Post 15467237)
Why ? Roy clearly trusts Jairo now & Iíd put McCarthy next to him but means dropping Macca:frown:

That is the problem, I think Roy will play 2 out of McCarthy. Macca, Luka, so where will he fit in?

SA Eagle 21-10-2020 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddie McGoldrick's tash (Post 15466876)
Would surprise me.

I would be surprised if he dropped him while keeping the 4 in midfield; if he went back to a 3 in centre then it wouldn't be such a surprise to see a change in personnel accompany the change in formation.

Ticehurst 21-10-2020 10:14 AM

I like jairo alot and it's obvious he has been brought up the right way at Ajax ..but are we putting a bit to much pressure on him..it shows how poor we are when we have the ball ..how excited everyone is after one good showing from jairo. Saying that if we set up like we do giving the opposition 70%percent of the ball no matter if it's Brighton or Liverpool it's no wonder the players have no confidence when they see the ball..I thought this season our ball retention would improve..but it hasn't at all and again we look happy with two banks of four totally isolating the pair up front.. back to the point IMO jairo is a step forward but he needs someone in the whole(EZE) to link up with then we will have a link between the midfield through to the likes of bats,Zaha how Roy can not see this I don't know the gap between our two center midfield and the strikers is ridiculous

El Aguila 21-10-2020 10:20 AM

Thing is that the two strikers need to exploit that space. Space is a good thing for forwards, and bad for defenders.

Ticehurst 21-10-2020 10:53 AM

El aguila as I've said before Eze would be perfect for for michy he would thrive on the clever little balls into him in the box ..we should be building a progressive young team with the likes of jairo ,Exe..

Danny boy 21-10-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ticehurst (Post 15467426)
El aguila as I've said before Eze would be perfect for for michy he would thrive on the clever little balls into him in the box ..we should be building a progressive young team with the likes of jairo ,Exe..

Hodgson seems unwilling to play with an attacking midfielder for some reason. Surely the two defensive mids should be able to provide enough protection for the defence.

El Aguila 21-10-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ticehurst (Post 15467426)
El aguila as I've said before Eze would be perfect for for michy he would thrive on the clever little balls into him in the box ..we should be building a progressive young team with the likes of jairo ,Exe..

I would like to see us try either Eze or Jairo instead of Wilf, agreed. But you also need someone who can pass and win the ball in the double pivot, ie behind that player.....

Dave Hedgehog 21-10-2020 03:17 PM

I like Jairo but not sure how comfortable he would look in a midfield two long-term.

Would guess his best role is as a Busquets type, shielding the back four, reading through-balls and threading passes through to the wingers.

We've approached this season clearly intent on playing 4-4-2, but it increasingly looks like our best XI is more suited to a Barcelona/Guardiola-style 4-3-3:

Jairo
Jimmy#1 - Jimmy#2
Eze - Batshuayi - Zaha

That gives you proper wingers, Bats playing much higher up the pitch, Zaha and Eze in space, and midfield cover. More like how we played under Pulis, I guess.

GB2506 21-10-2020 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Hedgehog (Post 15467820)
I like Jairo but not sure how comfortable he would look in a midfield two long-term.

Would guess his best role is as a Busquets type, shielding the back four, reading through-balls and threading passes through to the wingers.

We've approached this season clearly intent on playing 4-4-2, but it increasingly looks like our best XI is more suited to a Barcelona/Guardiola-style 4-3-3:

Jairo
Jimmy#1 - Jimmy#2
Eze - Batshuayi - Zaha

That gives you proper wingers, Bats playing much higher up the pitch, Zaha and Eze in space, and midfield cover. More like how we played under Pulis, I guess.

100% agree that the players we have at our disposal are far better suited to a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. On the team you have listed I would swap McArthur for Schlupp otherwise that is 3 very defensive central midfielders, pretty much what we ended up playing with after lockdown and it didnít work. Need Schlupp in there as he offers a goal threat and drives forward from a central area. He also offers support for the left back which enables the left winger to focus more on their attacking duties. I would have McCarthy in there as the enforcer and Jairo as the deeper lying passer. That means McArthur and Townsend drop to the bench but they are brilliant subs to have.

Malarkey 24-10-2020 05:40 PM

It's pretty much confirmed that he is the player we thought we had in Meyer, and similarly with Cabaye (or at least his replacement).

I really hope he isn't injured, as he looked ridiculously composed. I started to feel uncomfortable with how relaxed a Palace player looked on the ball.

chateauferret 24-10-2020 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Malarkey (Post 15472391)
I started to feel uncomfortable with how relaxed a Palace player looked on the ball.

That's because you're used to watching Sakho and his regular FFS moments.

minch1 24-10-2020 05:54 PM

So good to see a midfield player getting into the box and showing composure.

Golf Boy 24-10-2020 05:54 PM

Jairo is the type of player i love to watch. Weighting a pass is an art.

glenn.f 24-10-2020 05:56 PM

Another impressive performance today and it was quite apparent that he looked a class above Luka today. Shame it looks like injury is going to curtail another run for the lad. But at least it appears Roy has complete trust in him now, with the only downside of that being that Jairos emergence this season is likely to hold back Eze for a bit longer.

Bangell 24-10-2020 06:01 PM

Classy again. Shouldn't be dropped again.


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