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andyocpfc 03-10-2019 09:18 AM

Scotland to be first UK country to ban smacking
 
I wonder if we'll follow suit with this and also ban smacking. Whilst I was brought up in an era where you got a whacked bum if you were bad, I've always considered the use of physical discipline archaic. You could argue that the children in my era (and beyond) were more respectful than the children of these day but should smacking really be necessary to teach your child a lesson?

I can't say I've ever hit my Daughter and nor would I. How can you teach a child that hitting is wrong, if you then go on to hit them. Double standards.


I expect a reply to an effect of 'my parents smacking me never did me any harm' no doubt.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-49908849

tsunamiman 03-10-2019 09:25 AM

I think there is a bit off difference between smacking to tell them to stop being annoying and smacking to prevent them from doing stuff that may cause them to harm themselves.

If a toddler runs out into the road then a smack (not a ridiculous one) may be the best course of action to prevent this happening again.

brighton_eagle 03-10-2019 09:27 AM

I also don't believe in smacking children. All you teach them by doing so is that violence is a legitimate way to achieve your goals.

However, I'm not certain it requires specific legislation to prevent it, and I'm not sure it's an area the state should be directly involved in.

andyocpfc 03-10-2019 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tsunamiman (Post 14933972)
I think there is a bit off difference between smacking to tell them to stop being annoying and smacking to prevent them from doing stuff that may cause them to harm themselves.

If a toddler runs out into the road then a smack (not a ridiculous one) may be the best course of action to prevent this happening again.

I kind of get your point, but there has to be other ways of educating a toddler than running into a road is wrong other than hitting them, albeit lightly. To have a long lasting mental affect on them if you did do that, then you would have to cause fright and pain and that's not right.

GreatGonzo 03-10-2019 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by brighton_eagle (Post 14933976)
I also don't believe in smacking children. All you teach them by doing so is that violence is a legitimate way to achieve your goals.

However, I'm not certain it requires specific legislation to prevent it, and I'm not sure it's an area the state should be directly involved in.

How does the negative impact on mental health, which is one of their main arguments, compare to the negative impact on mental health from Facebook?

Selhurst Celtic 03-10-2019 09:31 AM

Smacking your kids is a loss of control. Continued smacking of your kids can cause long term psychological problems, for everybody. I'm not sure if it needs legislation though, perhaps just more education.

GreatGonzo 03-10-2019 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Selhurst Celtic (Post 14933983)
Smacking your kids is a loss of control. Continued smacking of your kids can cause long term psychological problems, for everybody. I'm not sure if it needs legislation though, perhaps just more education.

I agree and there is a difference between smacking your child once or twice a year, and people who do it once or twice a day.

Am sure a conviction under this law showing up on a DBS check will preclude a lot of people from remaining in the jobs they do. Can we afford to lose doctors, nurses teachers etc etc because they used physical chastisement once or twice?

Think it is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

brighton_eagle 03-10-2019 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GreatGonzo (Post 14933982)
How does the negative impact on mental health, which is one of their main arguments, compare to the negative impact on mental health from Facebook?

Not sure why you are asking me that, but is the comparison with Facebook strictly relevant here? I'd suggest that's a different argument.

andyocpfc 03-10-2019 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GreatGonzo (Post 14933987)
I agree and there is a difference between smacking your child once or twice a year, and people who do it once or twice a day.

Am sure a conviction under this law showing up on a DBS check will preclude a lot of people from remaining in the jobs they do. Can we afford to lose doctors, nurses teachers etc etc because they used physical chastisement once or twice?

Think it is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

Do you advocate the use of smacking for discipline then, GG?

Latvian Eagle 03-10-2019 10:29 AM

Nevermind smacking, someone should have a word with the people over the road from us who both tend to scream at the top of their lungs at their kids, God knows what sort of psychological trauma those kids suffer. There is shouting at your kids then there is "Shut up you ******* little ****!" at really young kids.

Absolutely atrocious excuse for human beings.

Yoda 03-10-2019 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Latvian Eagle (Post 14934023)
Nevermind smacking, someone should have a word with the people over the road from us who both tend to scream at the top of their lungs at their kids, God knows what sort of psychological trauma those kids suffer. There is shouting at your kids then there is "Shut up you ******* little ****!" at really young kids.

Absolutely atrocious excuse for human beings.

The support services can’t do anything unless someone brings this to their attention. If it happens frequently, you should consider doing that. Bear in mind that worse could be happening that you can’t hear.

thefox 03-10-2019 11:09 AM

No Trainspotting 3 then.

GreatGonzo 03-10-2019 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by andyocpfc (Post 14934014)
Do you advocate the use of smacking for discipline then, GG?

I do not think that it should be made an outright criminal offence.

regal_eagle 03-10-2019 11:53 AM

Surprised that them of all nations would ban anything with Mac in it.

Selhurst Celtic 03-10-2019 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GreatGonzo (Post 14933987)
I agree and there is a difference between smacking your child once or twice a year, and people who do it once or twice a day.

There's also a difference between people who don't smack kids whatsoever & the two options you're giving above. I'm not sure why it appears that your "once or twice a year" reads like giving an abuser a pass, but I'm aware that written format doesn't always translate well.

art malice 03-10-2019 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thefox (Post 14934054)
No Trainspotting 3 then.

Choose cuddles

Wolfnipplechips 03-10-2019 12:41 PM

Can we ban clackers too?

andyocpfc 03-10-2019 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GreatGonzo (Post 14934061)
I do not think that it should be made an outright criminal offence.

Under what circumstances do you think it's 'okay' to smack a child out of interest?(assuming you do from the way I've read it, but could be wrong)

big bad John 03-10-2019 03:58 PM

Banning smack in Glasgow. How will the locals deal with it?

chateauferret 03-10-2019 04:38 PM

My father was a violent bully who would go to prison toute suite if he did what he did in this day and age. However why isn't it just dealt with as assault? We already have the laws to handle this, don't we?

bubbs11 03-10-2019 05:34 PM

Banned?! This afternoon!?! Damn!!

I wish someone had told me yesterday, would’ve got ten years worth out in an evening on mine if I’d known. :sob:

The reality is my four year old doesn’t need the law....if I ever laid a finger on her she’d bite and scratch the feck out of me....that after Mrs Bubbs has clobbered me a few times with a rolling pin. Scottish women are not to be messed with.

andyocpfc 03-10-2019 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 14934365)
Banned?! This afternoon!?! Damn!!

I wish someone had told me yesterday, would’ve got ten years worth out in an evening on mine if I’d known. :sob:

The reality is my four year old doesn’t need the law....if I ever laid a finger on her she’d bite and scratch the feck out of me....that after Mrs Bubbs has clobbered me a few times with a rolling pin. Scottish women are not to be messed with.


All kids go through stages I think of lashing out in frustration. We’ve had biting and scratching in the last couple of years. My four year old has just started school and the current fad is kicking out when she doesn’t get her way, to which I reply with a “don’t do that, only donkey’s kick”. She now repeats it to me before I have a chance to say it now but it seems to work as she’s stopped.

Kids know how to ‘press your buttons’ but ultimately they learn from you. If you show acts of violence, they too think that it’s okay to do so (IMO anyway).

Salad_Burnet 03-10-2019 07:42 PM

Smacking children is OK if you're middle-class, in which case it's part of a loving intercourse between reluctant parent and wayward child. Working-class parents mostly do it because they enjoy it.

Timbo 03-10-2019 07:56 PM

There is a world of difference between an out of control parent thumping their child in anger compared to parents making an example by occasionally rapping the child mildly on the back of the legs or bare bottom

Timbo 03-10-2019 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Salad_Burnet (Post 14934454)
Smacking children is OK if you're middle-class, in which case it's part of a loving intercourse between reluctant parent and wayward child. Working-class parents mostly do it because they enjoy it.

Interesting...….You've always come across to me as a working class kind of bloke...

CP-RJW 03-10-2019 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 14934463)
There is a world of difference between an out of control parent thumping their child in anger compared to parents making an example by occasionally rapping the child mildly on the back of the legs or bare bottom

It’s really just a normal thing in lots of places that kids accept, and dare I say parents do without really being ‘out of control’. My girlfriends from one of the less developed provinces of China, her and everyone she knew got smacked or spanked by their parents. Same for friends I have from Antigua, Chile and Nigeria.

Completely unacceptable obviously, but if we want to change this then we do need to face the reality that it’s not just a load of rogue psycho parents, it’s a culturally and socially accepted norm in many places.

cross_eyed_ed 03-10-2019 10:24 PM

Common sense should prevail. There’s no need to criminalise this.

Timbo 03-10-2019 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CP-RJW (Post 14934521)
It’s really just a normal thing in lots of places that kids accept, and dare I say parents do without really being ‘out of control’. My girlfriends from one of the less developed provinces of China, her and everyone she knew got smacked or spanked by their parents. Same for friends I have from Antigua, Chile and Nigeria.

Completely unacceptable obviously, but if we want to change this then we do need to face the reality that it’s not just a load of rogue psycho parents, it’s a culturally and socially accepted norm in many places.

I am saying that the odd smack on the backside may well be acceptable, whether it is a culturally and socially accepted practice or not, and certainly should not be automatically punishable in law

Timbo 03-10-2019 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cross_eyed_ed (Post 14934550)
Common sense should prevail. There’s no need to criminalise this.

Agreed, as Chateau said there are existing laws to deal with assault

Worksop Palace 04-10-2019 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 14934463)
There is a world of difference between an out of control parent thumping their child in anger compared to parents making an example by occasionally rapping the child mildly on the back of the legs or bare bottom

Bare bottom ??

thefox 04-10-2019 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 14934466)
Interesting...….You've always come across to me as a working class kind of bloke...

I think you need a whoosh.

dogstar721 04-10-2019 06:45 AM

Spanking should only be lawful among consenting adults

Timbo 04-10-2019 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by thefox (Post 14934591)
I think you need a whoosh.

Hah, its possible :shy:.........but Salad is not known for his sparkling wit and sarcastic repartee :)

strawberry mivi 04-10-2019 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by thefox (Post 14934054)
No Trainspotting 3 then.

It took me over 24 hours to get this but - YAY :supergrin: Good Skillz

Riley 04-10-2019 02:47 PM

Our pubs will never recover from a smacking ban.

thefox 04-10-2019 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by strawberry mivi (Post 14934731)
It took me over 24 hours to get this but - YAY :supergrin: Good Skillz

:D

thefox 04-10-2019 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 14934685)
Hah, its possible :shy:.........but Salad is not known for his sparkling wit and sarcastic repartee :)

He has his moments.


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