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Grim Reaper 19-08-2021 04:50 PM

1991/92 season - game by game
 
I know the plan was to start this thread on August 24th in line with when the 91-92 season started but I see the 90-91 thread has already started with the pre-season chatter from summer 91.

As it is the season had started for everyone else bar ourselves and Leeds. Our game was rescheduled for October 1st as Palace's introduction of executive boxes at the Whitehorse Lane end overran and weren't complete in time for the opening day on August 17th.

Our second fixture scheduled for midweek (Spurs away?) was also then postponed meaning that by the time Palace would actually kick a ball, they'd already be two games behind the rest of the league.

This will go down in history as Palace's biggest missed opportunity. The 1990-91 season saw our team peak but given two more of the team would go on to become full England internationals in 1991-92, in addition to Wright, Salako and Thomas, all of whom had done well on the England summer tour of Australasia, there was no real reason why the great run had to halt in May 1991.

Three top flight professionals were linked with Palace in summer 1991 - Gary Charles (Forest and England) Rod Wallace (who made the move from Southampton to Leeds for £1.6M) and Mark Wallace (who left Rangers for Liverpool for £1.25M)

Signing Charles + one other would have been a great summer. As it is we did things on the cheap signing Chris Coleman (£275,000) from Swansea who was unproven but would go onto become a very good signing all be it not straight away and journeyman Lee Sinnott who was never up to the required standard.

Pub Idol 19-08-2021 05:57 PM

Tulip replacing Fly Virgin felt like a bad omen straight of the bat!

stumpy feelers 19-08-2021 05:57 PM

We were linked heavily with Mark Walters this summer, could've made a big difference to the outcome of this season. As you say a massive opportunity missed. Definitely a sliding doors moment. I rember listening on BBC World service to the Man City game in a bar in ibiza. Feeling really disappointed we'd lost. As a youngster I just expected us to beat most teams at that time. After this season my expectations somewhat changed...

jimos_uk 19-08-2021 05:59 PM

I was young then, but I don't remember us being linked to those players - I loved Rod Wallace!

It has been years since I have even thought of Lee Sinnott (from Bradford, right?), but just seem to remember him having a really oddly shaped head, like a cereal box.

art malice 19-08-2021 06:07 PM

Well the Leeds game on October 1 was massive. I’ll never forget it. I had forgotten, however, that it was rescheduled. How different things might have been if it had gone ahead as originally planned

Bipe 19-08-2021 06:24 PM

I will refrain from talking about the first game itself until we have Bubbs' official scrapbook entries to declare the runners and riders.

As for the build up to it...I was frustrated by the postponements as it never feels good to be having to win your games to catch up with those who have already played. That said, I went into the season with a sense that the exploits of the previous year could not realistically be repeated, I didn't share Grim's optimism that an opportunity to progress was there. During the second half of 1990/91 our form had faltered a little and the goals had started to dry up, we were playing more like a mid-table team at times and that's really how I viewed our prospects for the new season. It turned out like that in the end, although not in the way you might expect with another storming start, a nightmare middle phase to the season and then a good recovery in the final couple of months. We were an excellent team, a shit team and a decent team across three phases of the season rather than your typically 'consistently inconsistent' mid table outfit.

I was probably more interested in seeing how far our star players could progress as individuals (while still playing for Palace of course). England had gone on a low key tour of the Antipodes over summer 1991, in which our boys had made a good showing. In particular John Salako had emerged from the games with credit in the bank having put in some good performances on the wing. Graham Taylor was certainly keen on picking players from all and sundry clubs, so I was hoping for him to push more firmly into the England first team reckoning in the year ahead.

bubbs11 19-08-2021 09:16 PM

I think I was quite naively confident about the coming season. My reasoning was that every season Coppell had managed us - 6 by that stage - we had gone a notch up the ladder. There was never a backward step or even consolidation. I think in my head, I thought we’d eventually win the league, I really did. I know it sounds crazy now, but I believed in the manager that much. At that stage he’d performed miracles and taken a side destined for the drop to the third tier, to the third best team in the land. There seemed to be no glitch in his methods. But as the great man said himself, we didn’t realise it at the time - we thought we’d just go again, when in actual fact we’d hit the glass ceiling already.

I remember Howard Wilkinson interviewed on Football Focus on the first day of the league season, complaining about our game having to be postponed. The interviewer said something like, ‘Do you think Palace should be punished?’ and Wilkinson spat out, ‘Well something needs to be done!’ Always remembered that as was watching with friends and we found his annoyance OTT and amusing, and that phrase then became part of our repertoire of impressions we’d throw out on a night out.


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PemboExpress 19-08-2021 09:42 PM

I remember going into the season full of optimism, but cursing the fact we had not signed Rod Wallace. I really did think at the time that if we had of done, we could have kicked on and challenged for the title with the momentum we had behind us the previous 3 seasons.

I must admit I had totally forgotten about our first 2 games being rearranged, but I do remember Mr Potato head Wilkinson mentioning we should have been punished now that Bubbs has mentioned it.

jaspercpfc 19-08-2021 10:18 PM

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Genuine question, where did fans realistically expect us to finish that season (We kicked off with basically the same squad) I distinctly remember Greavsie saying we were one of the "dark horses" for the title in Match magazine.

Coleman, Sinnott were the only notable additions.

Barber, Garry Thompson & Tony Witter were the main departures.
Will try and get involved in this thread a little more in the conning months, now my house renovations have eased.

I'm sure people will make comparisons with the additions Leeds made that summer (they finished 4th in 1990/1991) which propelled them into the new campaign - Dorigo, Rod Wallace & Hodge for a combined fee of about 3.7m.

As mentioned on the other thread, we kicked off the season a week later than everyone else due to improvements and the new boxes arrived in the WH lane end.

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jaspercpfc 19-08-2021 10:20 PM

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jaspercpfc 19-08-2021 10:22 PM

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I purchased about 100+ official press photos at an auction many years ago from that season, will dig them out.
Also have various recordings of JP & co from Capital Gold Sport which I need to dust down.

jaspercpfc 19-08-2021 10:31 PM

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Sir Steve

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Leeds at home October 91'

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jaspercpfc 19-08-2021 11:03 PM

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Season ticket booklet

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Season ticket prices (taken from the Wimbledon home game)

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art malice 20-08-2021 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15954737)
I think I was quite naively confident about the coming season. My reasoning was that every season Coppell had managed us - 6 by that stage - we had gone a notch up the ladder. There was never a backward step or even consolidation. I think in my head, I thought we’d eventually win the league, I really did. I know it sounds crazy now, but I believed in the manager that much. At that stage he’d performed miracles and taken a side destined for the drop to the third tier, to the third best team in the land. There seemed to be no glitch in his methods. But as the great man said himself, we didn’t realise it at the time - we thought we’d just go again, when in actual fact we’d hit the glass ceiling already.

I remember Howard Wilkinson interviewed on Football Focus on the first day of the league season, complaining about our game having to be postponed. The interviewer said something like, ‘Do you think Palace should be punished?’ and Wilkinson spat out, ‘Well something needs to be done!’ Always remembered that as was watching with friends and we found his annoyance OTT and amusing, and that phrase then became part of our repertoire of impressions we’d throw out on a night out.

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Did Wilkinson think they had a chance of winning the league that season? I wonder what odds they were? Not much smaller than ours I wouldn’t have thought.

N Herts Eagle 20-08-2021 01:53 AM

The problem was we had a first eleven that picked itself. The weakest link was Shaw at the time and the replacement by Bodin had failed. Where could we improve when you look at the team it on its day could hold itself against any team in the land. It was still developing as well. Like most fans I was looking forward to the season and everything looked set for another great experience.
We had issues though the strength in depth was not there. In those days this was not an issue long term injuries or loss of form were addressed by a raid into the transfer market. The Coleman signing was a bit like Collymore potential more than a starting place. I might need correcting but one issue was the reserves were not playing the best league. So achieving a run of form to push for a first team place was hard. Though rumours of David Whyte were he was excellent there was not much else. Lee Sinnott was cover for Eric who was still carrying the affects of the Keown tackle if iI recall correctly. A little like Gary Thompson he was not going to replace the two regulars. Could challenge Shaw maybe and so useful to have. It was a sensible but unspectacular addition.
All said and done did we need any was the side really going to be strengthened significantly unless at a great cost.

bubbs11 20-08-2021 04:17 AM

I remember the first two months of the season having a real siege mentality. It felt the football world and luck were trying to cut us down, yet we were fighting through the storm and still hanging on in there. Then Wright’s sudden departure and Salako’s injury happened within days of each other and bang…we just imploded. It felt like little old Palace had trod on far too many big toes, were trying to reach above their station and needed teaching a lesson by the big club fawning media - it really felt like that as the scandals and accusations came thick and fast until they got their way and we were done.

jaspercpfc, you asked where the fans genuinely felt we’d finish that season; well I clearly recall coming home from the Villa away game victorious - 3 wins from 4 - listening to Geoff Thomas being interviewed on 5Live. That was just four games in, and the interviewer basically talking about us winning the league and Geoff saying they believed it was on. It didn’t feel bizarre to me or any of my mates in the car listening on.

JJ 20-08-2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15955005)
jaspercpfc, you asked where the fans genuinely felt we’d finish that season; well I clearly recall coming home from the Villa away game victorious - 3 wins from 4 - listening to Geoff Thomas being interviewed on 5Live. That was just four games in, and the interviewer basically talking about us winning the league and Geoff saying they believed it was on. It didn’t feel bizarre to me or any of my mates in the car listening on.

I don't ever remember thinking we had a serious chance of actually winning it. I didn't even think that the year before when we were much closer, even though we were pretty much clear in 3rd for quite a while. That said, nor did I think there was any danger of being involved in a relegation scrap, not with the players we had. Even when Ian Wright left - gutted as I was about that - I wasn't worried about the wrong end of the table.

stevek 20-08-2021 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15954737)
I think I was quite naively confident about the coming season. My reasoning was that every season Coppell had managed us - 6 by that stage - we had gone a notch up the ladder. There was never a backward step or even consolidation. I think in my head, I thought we’d eventually win the league, I really did. I know it sounds crazy now, but I believed in the manager that much. At that stage he’d performed miracles and taken a side destined for the drop to the third tier, to the third best team in the land. There seemed to be no glitch in his methods. But as the great man said himself, we didn’t realise it at the time - we thought we’d just go again, when in actual fact we’d hit the glass ceiling already.

I felt exactly the same. What makes it all the more frustrating looking back is that 1991-92 was probably the best chance for a 'smaller' club to win the league. Leeds weren't that good - and weren't that much better than they had been the season before when they finished fourth one place behind us. Neither Liverpool nor Arsenal matched their form of recent seasons, and Manchester Utd hadn't yet hit the heights they would under Fergie - and Blackburn weren't yet the force they were briefly to become.

Bipe 20-08-2021 05:07 PM

Leeds were pretty relentless to be fair. They only lost 4 games out of 42 all season and in fact their loss to us in October was their only league defeat before 8 February - 1 defeat in 27 games.

jaspercpfc 20-08-2021 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15955701)
Leeds were pretty relentless to be fair. They only lost 4 games out of 42 all season and in fact their loss to us in October was their only league defeat before 8 February - 1 defeat in 27 games.

Weren't we the only team to pick up 4 points of them that campaign?

stevek 20-08-2021 05:24 PM

Yes, fair enough, but the competition was weaker. All three teams who finished above them the previous season had poorer seasons, and the teams who were to win in future years hadn't yet developed to their best.

Bipe 20-08-2021 05:57 PM

Yes agreed. After winning two league titles in three years Arsenal went backwards in the early 90s and were virtually a mid-table side by the time Wenger rocked up, although they did well in the cups. We didn't know it at the time but Liverpool's long period of dominance was well and truly over, Graeme Souness turned out to be a pretty disastrous managerial appointment. They did win the FA Cup in 1992 though.

Manchester United were the improving team and they started 91/92 like a train with 8 wins and 2 draws in their first 10 games. In fact they were favourites to lift the title for the first time since 1967 going in to the run-in but rather pleasingly they choked big time with 3 defeats in their last 4 games to hand Leeds the title.

Grim Reaper 20-08-2021 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jaspercpfc (Post 15955720)
Weren't we the only team to pick up 4 points of them that campaign?

Yup - that became a staple football quiz question the following season :p

Grim Reaper 20-08-2021 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stevek (Post 15955729)
Yes, fair enough, but the competition was weaker. All three teams who finished above them the previous season had poorer seasons, and the teams who were to win in future years hadn't yet developed to their best.

This is spot on. Much like when Leicester won the title, it wasn't that Leeds were truly great, they just timed a 'very good' season when everyone else was not at their peak.

Which is why I've always said, 1991-92 was Palace's chance to win it all.

Never forget, newly promoted Sheff Wednesday were two points of top spot with two games to go when they came to SE25 in April '92.

bubbs11 23-08-2021 11:10 PM

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bubbs11 23-08-2021 11:28 PM

A very frustrating afternoon. Stayed up in Manchester with my relatives and made the short trip by bus from the Old Trafford area to Maine Road. We played well but City got very lucky on the day and the ref basically handed them the match with two very dubious penalties - the second one was just a ridiculous decision. It was appropriate that we should start with a game feeling so hard done by, as that feeling seemed to pop up continually in the early part of the season.

So our first game of the season ends in defeat and as others had already played 3 games, we found ourselves bottom.

simon 23-08-2021 11:37 PM

My main memory of that game is that the away turnstiles opened really late for some reason. I'd been for a few pre-match beers with a City supporting friend, and was already struggling a bit by the time we'd walked to the ground. The gates weren't open and I had to wait for what seemd like an eternity before I could get in and relieve the pressure.

The match was ruined by the ending unfortunately.

PemboExpress 24-08-2021 12:08 AM

For the 2nd season running I missed the 1st game of the season to attend the Reading Music Festival.

https://www.readingfestival.com/history/reading-1991 - I think I vaguely recall seeing the band 4th on of 9 on the Friday, 1 month before they released a fairly seminal album!

Might have been watching Blur on the Saturday as we slid to a referee assisted defeat.

cockles 24-08-2021 12:41 AM

That loss at Man City was the most impressive performance I ever saw of Palace in defeat.
Brilliant football mostly.

Vince Hilaire's Afro 24-08-2021 01:04 AM

That away end really used to shake (literally) when the crowd got jumping, and you could see the ground below through the terracing :eek:

Bipe 24-08-2021 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PemboExpress (Post 15961839)
For the 2nd season running I missed the 1st game of the season to attend the Reading Music Festival.

https://www.readingfestival.com/history/reading-1991 - I think I vaguely recall seeing the band 4th on of 9 on the Friday, 1 month before they released a fairly seminal album!

Might have been watching Blur on the Saturday as we slid to a referee assisted defeat.

I was also at Reading, I hope it wasn't you who sold us that dodgy cider.

We had arrived straight from work on the Friday evening as dusk was settling. Having wandered around for a while trying to find a place to pitch our tent we eventually came across a decent sized plot which others seemed to have missed...only to discover the following morning that there was a good reason for that, people had been using it as an impromptu toilet facility due to the queues at the portaloos. We had also turned up without sleeping bags, romantically thinking that we would just be able to crash out under the stars but not realising that the nights can actually be ******* cold in late August. So a couple of sleepless nights with teeth chattering and a growing hangover, not a particularly comfortable or pleasant couple of days which put me off the joys of festival-going for life. Or indeed camping full stop, I like my creature comforts too much.

On the Saturday morning we purchased the aforementioned cannister of cider from a passing scoundrel and listened to the football updates while lounging around our tent. The classic 'and there's late drama at Maine Road' followed by the sinking feeling when we heard that we'd conceded a late penalty. The match reports said that we'd played well and didn't deserve to lose. Eventually the dodgy cider worked its magic on our digestive system but I couldn't face the portaloos so a rapid waddle into Reading town centre ensued, found the M&S and dived into the toilet whereupon the cider came back out again in liquid form, only slightly more cloudy than its original state.

I also saw Nirvana at Reading and thought little of them. Interesting to note that Mercury Rev were bottom of the bill on the Saturday, I had no recollection of that but became a fan in later years. I was there for Carter USM who delivered a fantastic set on the Saturday evening. Still makes me chuckle that two blokes with guitars and a backing track could become such big stars, albeit only for a few years. In truth the rest of the bill was weak and we didn't bother hanging around for the Sisters Of Mercy on the Sunday evening.

Taking a look at the league table and Arsenal who had been virtually invincible the previous season with only one defeat had got off to a shocking start, just the one point from three games.

Grim Reaper 24-08-2021 09:33 AM

Sheff Wed off to a slow start in what would be a great season for them.

Some bloke called Trevor Francis was in charge - wonder whatever happened to him!

stevek 24-08-2021 09:46 AM

I just checked something on the season on wikipedia and noticed that although, as you say, Wednesday had a great season, they also managed to suffer the biggest home (1-6 to Leeds) and away (7-1 to Arsenal) defeats of the season.

David Giles 24-08-2021 10:52 AM

Always thought that the Geoff Thomas header in that game was a really underrated goal. Sort of summed up what we were about: Gray and Thomas’ quality in midfield and then a fantastic front pair.

PemboExpress 24-08-2021 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15962444)
I was also at Reading, I hope it wasn't you who sold us that dodgy cider.

We had arrived straight from work on the Friday evening as dusk was settling. Having wandered around for a while trying to find a place to pitch our tent we eventually came across a decent sized plot which others seemed to have missed...only to discover the following morning that there was a good reason for that, people had been using it as an impromptu toilet facility due to the queues at the portaloos. We had also turned up without sleeping bags, romantically thinking that we would just be able to crash out under the stars but not realising that the nights can actually be ******* cold in late August. So a couple of sleepless nights with teeth chattering and a growing hangover, not a particularly comfortable or pleasant couple of days which put me off the joys of festival-going for life. Or indeed camping full stop, I like my creature comforts too much.

On the Saturday morning we purchased the aforementioned cannister of cider from a passing scoundrel and listened to the football updates while lounging around our tent. The classic 'and there's late drama at Maine Road' followed by the sinking feeling when we heard that we'd conceded a late penalty. The match reports said that we'd played well and didn't deserve to lose. Eventually the dodgy cider worked its magic on our digestive system but I couldn't face the portaloos so a rapid waddle into Reading town centre ensued, found the M&S and dived into the toilet whereupon the cider came back out again in liquid form, only slightly more cloudy than its original state.

I also saw Nirvana at Reading and thought little of them. Interesting to note that Mercury Rev were bottom of the bill on the Saturday, I had no recollection of that but became a fan in later years. I was there for Carter USM who delivered a fantastic set on the Saturday evening. Still makes me chuckle that two blokes with guitars and a backing track could become such big stars, albeit only for a few years. In truth the rest of the bill was weak and we didn't bother hanging around for the Sisters Of Mercy on the Sunday evening.

Taking a look at the league table and Arsenal who had been virtually invincible the previous season with only one defeat had got off to a shocking start, just the one point from three games.

Haha, I don't think we had any cider drinkers in our party!

I am not sure if it was that year or the year before, but I do remember us raiding the local supermarket before the event and buying 24 can bitter and lager packs bound by plastic. For some reason the silly woman on the check out priced the 24 cans up based on the price stuck on each 4 can section, meaning we paid the price for about 24 cans despite purchasing 144!

As for Reading, I remember enjoying the top 4 acts on the Friday, The Fall (not sure it was that year but the strong winds blew Mark E Smith's songlist or lyrics off his lecturn) the top 2 on the Saturday. Not sure how Ned's Atomic Dustbin were 2nd on the bill on the Sunday, but I remember enjoying The Family Cat and Kitchens of Distinction (2 of my favourite underground bands at the time) on the Sunday.

Me and my West Ham mate snuck off on the Sat around 4.55 to tune into Radio 5 to hear the results.

Happy days.

art malice 24-08-2021 04:06 PM

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Haha, I don't think we had any cider drinkers in our party!

I am not sure if it was that year or the year before, but I do remember us raiding the local supermarket before the event and buying 24 can bitter and lager packs bound by plastic. For some reason the silly woman on the check out priced the 24 cans up based on the price stuck on each 4 can section, meaning we paid the price for about 24 cans despite purchasing 144!

As for Reading, I remember enjoying the top 4 acts on the Friday, The Fall (not sure it was that year but the strong winds blew Mark E Smith's songlist or lyrics off his lecturn) the top 2 on the Saturday. Not sure how Ned's Atomic Dustbin were 2nd on the bill on the Sunday, but I remember enjoying The Family Cat and Kitchens of Distinction (2 of my favourite underground bands at the time) on the Sunday.

Me and my West Ham mate snuck off on the Sat around 4.55 to tune into Radio 5 to hear the results.

Happy days.

Family Cat and Kitchens of Distinction - cast-iron indie quality

Olympian2 24-08-2021 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by art malice (Post 15963065)
Family Cat and Kitchens of Distinction - cast-iron indie quality

Bloody love The Family Cat - Tom Verlaine-tastic!

PemboExpress 24-08-2021 04:52 PM

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Family Cat and Kitchens of Distinction - cast-iron indie quality

Yeah, still love Tell 'em were Surfing by TFC and Love is Hell and Strange Free World by KOD.:).

Can't remember what became of my TFC t shirt but just googled it and saw one advertised for £175!

Olympian2 24-08-2021 07:00 PM

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Yeah, still love Tell 'em were Surfing by TFC and Love is Hell and Strange Free World by KOD.:).

Can't remember what became of my TFC t shirt but just googled it and saw one advertised for £175!

I always get Kitchens of Distinction & New Fast Automatic Daffodils mixed up - not musically but often nominally! :p

Bipe 25-08-2021 12:29 PM

Let's get back into the top ten movers and shakers then. In fact it was a quiet week with only one new entry, although it was a fairly notable one:

Charly by The Prodigy - This was the ravers' first proper hit, peaking at number three. A commercially appealing mashup of the old public information cartoon starring the little boy and his cat Charley about stranger danger. I always preferred the old school Prodigy sound before Keith Flint came to the forefront. Interestingly, according to Wikipedia Kenny Everett provided Charley the cat's mewling voice in the original cartoons, I never knew that.

Footnote: At this time (Everything I Do) I Do It For You had already been at number one for two months but was still only halfway through its reign, staying at the top spot for 16 weeks through to early October. It's always fascinated me how records like this and Love Is All Around managed to maintain such sales momentum, outselling all opposition for weeks on end. Who was still buying the damned thing by the time it had been number one for more than say six weeks??

Vince Hilaire's Afro 25-08-2021 12:40 PM

It's a good point, Bipe. I'd heard that song about five times a day for months on the radio, who would ever need to buy it?

(When I was a kid though, I'd sometimes buy a record to help it move up the charts)

jaspercpfc 25-08-2021 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15965751)
Let's get back into the top ten movers and shakers then. In fact it was a quiet week with only one new entry, although it was a fairly notable one:

Charly by The Prodigy - This was the ravers' first proper hit, peaking at number three. A commercially appealing mashup of the old public information cartoon starring the little boy and his cat Charley about stranger danger. I always preferred the old school Prodigy sound before Keith Flint came to the forefront. Interestingly, according to Wikipedia Kenny Everett provided Charley the cat's mewling voice in the original cartoons, I never knew that.

Footnote: At this time (Everything I Do) I Do It For You had already been at number one for two months but was still only halfway through its reign, staying at the top spot for 16 weeks through to early October. It's always fascinated me how records like this and Love Is All Around managed to maintain such sales momentum, outselling all opposition for weeks on end. Who was still buying the damned thing by the time it had been number one for more than say six weeks??

:p:p
UK Top 10 from that week......
1 - (Everything I do) I do it for you - Bryan Adams
2 - I'm too sexy - Right Said Fred
3 - More than words - Exteme
4 - Move Any Mountain - The Shamen
5 - Set adrift on Memory Bliss - PM Dawn
6 - All 4 Love - Colour Me Badd
7 - Winter In July - Bomb The Bass
8 - Now That We've Found Love - Heavy D & The Boyz
9 - Enter Sandman - Metallica
10 = Summertime - DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
Other bits of news in August 1991

23 August – Growing confidence over economic recovery has helped boost the Conservative government's popularity, as they return to the top of the MORI poll with a two-point lead over Labour putting them on 42%.

30 August - Scottish runner Liz McColgan becomes the first British gold medalist at the World Athletics Championships in Tokyo, Japan.
Rioting breaks out on the Ely council estate in Cardiff.

Main fads at the time were hypercolour clothing - which were touchable, heat-sensitive outerwear that changed color with the heat of the body wearing them, or the hands touching them.
People were going mad for the Megadrive at this point too.
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Grim Reaper 25-08-2021 04:18 PM

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UK Top 10 from that week......
1 - (Everything I do) I do it for you - Bryan Adams
2 - I'm too sexy - Right Said Fred
3 - More than words - Exteme
4 - Move Any Mountain - The Shamen
5 - Set adrift on Memory Bliss - PM Dawn
6 - All 4 Love - Colour Me Badd
7 - Winter In July - Bomb The Bass
8 - Now That We've Found Love - Heavy D & The Boyz
9 - Enter Sandman - Metallica
10 = Summertime - DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
Other bits of news in August 1991

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Some great tunes in that Top 10. Was obsessed with Move Any Mountain - back in the days when to learn the lyrics meant stopping and rewinding the tape cassette again and again listening to each phrase and gradually write the lyrics on a piece of paper. Now you just Google lyrics and it's instant

"I will not fail or falter, I shall believe...." All those hours learning Move Any Mountain still paying off - I still remember the words

Bipe 25-08-2021 06:55 PM

Or as it was cruelly reinterpreted when news of 'one of The Shamen''s demise filtered through, 'I can drown drown, drown in a fountain'. Nonsensical anyway as he drowned in the ocean.

Grim Reaper 26-08-2021 12:43 AM

Wow - you're right, just checked - didn't even know that!

Grim Reaper 26-08-2021 12:47 AM

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Who was still buying the damned thing by the time it had been number one for more than say six weeks??

Exactly. I remember Karma Chameleon (6 weeks) Uptown Girl (5 weeks) and Two Tribes (9 weeks) and they seemed like entire eras just in the time they were number one in 83-84.

Bryan Adams's reign that summer was unreal and blew all those ones out of the water. Surely if you liked it you bought it in the first 6 weeks! And surely you'd heard it enough after week 12 that you knew you didn't want to own the single as you were sick of it by then! :eek:

bubbs11 27-08-2021 08:40 AM

PALACE 3. Bright. Gray. Wright
WIMBLEDON 2. Fashanu. Earle

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bubbs11 27-08-2021 09:01 AM

30 years to the day, a game that has gone down in Palace folklore and certainly up there as one of my most memorable Selhurst experiences. Just a crazy, crazy game, and really showed what a bloody strong and professional outfit we were. Wimbledon were no mugs, and to play an hour without your keeper and Salako in goal and win, was outstanding.

I was in the Holmesdale that night and just remember it being one of those angst ridden enthralling evenings with a happy and pleasing ending. When Martyn got his marching orders I, like everyone else, thought we’d had it; especially when Salako donned the keepers jersey. But he was totally inspired and the save at the end, to push away a goal bound effort, just capped it all off. There was obviously a lot of nervousness every time Wimbledon attacked, but the defence did well to limit their shots on target and Salako was always on his toes, ready to react. It seemed he was born for that moment. :D

So despite the gods spitting in our cornflakes again, we managed to get the three points and were up and running.

Grim Reaper 27-08-2021 10:02 AM

The greatest night time game in Selhurst history. Crystanbul was a great last ten minutes but this is number 1.

0-1 and Martyn sent off

But then 2-1 up by half time and they had a man off as well

3-1 and Wimbledon down to 9 men!

Robbie Earle makes it 3-2 with Wimbledon's first proper effort on goal after about 86 minutes - up to then Salako had performed admirably but without having a proper save to make.

Absolute onslaught at the end.

Wimbledon about to equalise....but Salako makes a legit reaction save. Crowd goes wild

Hans Segers up in our box at a corner. Eddie gets the ball 80 yards from an empty Wimbledon goal. SHOOOOOOT!!!

Ref blows the whistle and we never get to see if Eddie would have been able to outpace the Wimbledon players and finish it off.

What

A

Game!

Grim Reaper 27-08-2021 10:12 AM

The drama didn't end for me there. Getting the train home that night back to Chatham, I was nearly home when the train stopped near a tiny village station.

Eventually the announcement came through

"Sorry for the delay, there is a man with a gun shooting at police and trains at Sole Street Station"

Not something you hear every day!

One lad walked up the train grinning and commented "Good, I hope he gets the bastards"

I was more concerned for my own well being to be honest - I naively thought the plan would be for the train to hurtle through the station and we all just ducked down to avoid a bullet.

The reality of course was that the train had to take a different route and go pretty much all the way back to London and then back down to the alternative Dartford-Gravesend route to get to Medway.

Think I got home at 2am which was bloody late, making it a super late night for folk down in Ramsgate and Margate.

Grim Reaper 27-08-2021 10:20 AM

8 minute highlights - well worth a watch

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hokhf

Grim Reaper 27-08-2021 10:25 AM

Love the way Salako bollocks the players right at the end just like a proper goalie would do

Aki Aki Aki 27-08-2021 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15969180)
8 minute highlights - well worth a watch

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hokhf

Thanks GR, that's a great watch. So many super memories from that era :p . Loved our kit as well.

Custard Pie 27-08-2021 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15969180)
8 minute highlights - well worth a watch

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hokhf

Brilliant. Different times, I know, but look at the power in midfield.
Andy Gray = beast!

Bipe 27-08-2021 10:49 AM

Andy Gray was an amazing player for us, absolutely loved him.

The game against Wimbledon the season before had also been a classic, ending up 4-3 to us.

Given what came to light a few years later, it's interesting to read that Hans Segers looked 'unusually shaky' in goal and he 'once again muffed a cross' for our winner. Maybe the betting gods were smiling on us that evening??

By the way the word 'muff' has criminally fallen out of fashion these days, in more ways than one! Memories of our pub quiz team the 'muff divers'.

Grim Reaper 27-08-2021 10:52 AM

Reminds me of the lads at Gatwick Airport on their jollies all wearing their custom printed Olympic Muff Diving Team T-shirts!

True - muff has just gone....although is still a common term in NFL if punters 'muff a punt'

eagle mart 27-08-2021 11:13 AM

I ballboy'd at the Sainsbury's end for that game - behind the goal.

AddoWolz 27-08-2021 11:51 AM

Was on the Holmedale that night , great game and an amazing atmosphere , my cousin came up from Ashford in Kent with a girlfriend for her first and possibly her only game ,remember him telling her it’s not always this good :supergrin::p

David Giles 27-08-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15969157)
The greatest night time game in Selhurst history. Crystanbul was a great last ten minutes but this is number 1.

0-1 and Martyn sent off

But then 2-1 up by half time and they had a man off as well

3-1 and Wimbledon down to 9 men!

Robbie Earle makes it 3-2 with Wimbledon's first proper effort on goal after about 86 minutes - up to then Salako had performed admirably but without having a proper save to make.

Absolute onslaught at the end.

Wimbledon about to equalise....but Salako makes a legit reaction save. Crowd goes wild

Hans Segers up in our box at a corner. Eddie gets the ball 80 yards from an empty Wimbledon goal. SHOOOOOOT!!!

Ref blows the whistle and we never get to see if Eddie would have been able to outpace the Wimbledon players and finish it off.

What

A

Game!

I mean Burnley ‘79 and Swindon ‘89 may have been better night time games??

Grim Reaper 27-08-2021 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by David Giles (Post 15969317)
I mean Burnley ‘79 and Swindon ‘89 may have been better night time games??

Better and more memorable occasions for sure but were they 'great games'

I listened to the commentary again of the Swindon game recently and we pretty much controlled the second half to see the tie out

This Wimbledon game as a standalone game is sensational.

JJ 27-08-2021 12:48 PM

Got me thinking about some other great night games. That Wimbledon game was great but so were:
Beating Chelsea the season before with IW's magnificent chip over Beasant;
Couple of years later some of those League Cup games (Grant Watts and co / ball sticking in the mud before crawling over the line);
Then a bit later still, beating Liverpool 2-1 in the LC Semi.
On reflection though - and I was at them all - the drama of an outfield player going in goal is always really great, in the same way it is when a goalie goes up for a corner.

November85 27-08-2021 03:32 PM

Swindon in the play off semi final will always be my favourite. I was only 11 so can't remember it that clearly, but in my memory there's never been a better atmosphere at Selhurst.

art malice 27-08-2021 05:13 PM

I was there for the Wimbledon game. Poor attendance.

MENTALLY TOUGH 27-08-2021 05:27 PM

Looking back at the period, its fair to say from 89-91, the games against Millwall & Wimbledon were the most entertaining you can have seen during that period. Football snobs may have turned there noses up, but it was great "direct" football. Yes the Cup Semi Final had drama and shock factor, but for the sheer end to end madness those South London derbies were great during those few years.

bubbs11 27-08-2021 05:31 PM

Andy Gray really stands out watching the footage of the night again. When he was on his game he was one of the best midfielders in the country. Love the bit where he takes the ball from Geoff and plays a lovely ball forward, and also the bit for Wimbledon’s second red and Gray is waving him off before the ref has even gone to his pocket. :D

Grim Reaper 27-08-2021 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ (Post 15969372)
On reflection though - and I was at them all - the drama of an outfield player going in goal is always really great, in the same way it is when a goalie goes up for a corner.

And Palace v Wimbledon had BOTH - which I assume is the last (and maybe ONLY) time it ever happened in a Palace game. In fact, Salako in goal I think might be the last outfield player in goal full stop for Palace.

What other ones have there been, before or since?

Grim Reaper 27-08-2021 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbs11 (Post 15969750)
Andy Gray really stands out watching the footage of the night again. When he was on his game he was one of the best midfielders in the country. Love the bit where he takes the ball from Geoff and plays a lovely ball forward, and also the bit for Wimbledon’s second red and Gray is waving him off before the ref has even gone to his pocket. :D

Gray was an absolute character - could run all day when he fancied it. Such a shame his attitude saw him nosedive and leave the club barely 100 days after his England call up

Even in the Millwall 4-3, Sheringham nearly made it 4-4 at the death and there's Gray, grinning away in the middle of the chaos while Teddy looks sick to the stomach. Lovely little clip is that.

bubbs11 27-08-2021 06:58 PM

One of my favourite memories of Gray was the home game against Everton early on in the 89/90 season when we’d just come up. We’d been hammered 9-0 by Liverpool, and it all felt very backs against the wall scrabbling for points. Everton came to Selhurst and were expected to win, but we beat them 2-1 with Pardew getting the winner.

Everton battered us at the end trying to dig out an equaliser. There was a particularly worrying attack in injury time where the ball was bouncing around our goal box, thankfully but unbeknown to us spectators, the ref saw an infringement or offside, but before he actually whistled to stop play, Gray caught the ball mid air, in anticipation. The ref duly blew his whistle and gave the decision our way, but for a moment everyone’s heart was in their mouths as it looked like Gray had just bizarrely handed them a penalty on a plate. This was not lost on the impish Andy whose cheeky wide grin was hilarious.

Grim Reaper 28-08-2021 12:51 AM

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Everton battered us at the end trying to dig out an equaliser. There was a particularly worrying attack in injury time where the ball was bouncing around our goal box, thankfully but unbeknown to us spectators, the ref saw an infringement or offside, but before he actually whistled to stop play, Gray caught the ball mid air, in anticipation. The ref duly blew his whistle and gave the decision our way, but for a moment everyone’s heart was in their mouths as it looked like Gray had just bizarrely handed them a penalty on a plate. This was not lost on the impish Andy whose cheeky wide grin was hilarious.

Classic Gray. :D

2-0 up at half time, but Everton got it back to 2-1 early in the second half and it just seemed like we defended for our lives for the rest of the game.

I can't remember everything other than I was genuinely hoarse by the end.

One of the games where the heart in the team was fully on display - and
those boys had hearts the size of dustbin lids back then

stevek 28-08-2021 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim Reaper (Post 15969768)
And Palace v Wimbledon had BOTH - which I assume is the last (and maybe ONLY) time it ever happened in a Palace game. In fact, Salako in goal I think might be the last outfield player in goal full stop for Palace.

What other ones have there been, before or since?

Before - Henry Hughton

After - Clint Hill (?) briefly under Warnock. Something like Speroni going off injured before half time, Clint covering until half time and then Jules coming back for the second half. But I may be misrembering.

Whilst on Warnock, against us Jagielka for Sheffield Utd.

ElwissAtMemphis 29-08-2021 06:49 PM

Nicky Chatterton replaced an injured Tony Burns at half-time in the final home game of the season against Lincoln in 1976/76 which is why Peter Caswell played in the decider at Wrexham 4 days later. He also played all of a pre-season Kent Cup match against Charlton in goal in 75/76 when Burns got injured in the warm up.

Bipe 30-08-2021 02:26 PM

New entries into the top ten for week ending 31 August 1991:

Gett Off by Prince and the New Power Generation - Prince was moving towards the end game in terms of being a continuous hit machine and the album from which this came, Diamonds and Pearls, was probably his last hurrah in terms of sales volumes. This is a typical pervy funk offering which introduced the voice of Rosie Gaines.

Sunshine On A Rainy Day by Zoe - One hit wonder, another of those tracks that you'll only hear on Absolute Radio 90s these days. Big shouty chorus but unmemorable really.

I'll Be Back by Arnee and the Terminators - A novelty cash in on the summer's big movie, Terminator 2. A complete pile of junk, I have a horrid feeling Steve Wright was somehow involved?

Happy Together by Jason Donovan - Another lame cover from Jason, it was becoming time for him to check out of his teen pop career and reinvent himself as a star of west end musicals. Dreadful stuff.

Grim Reaper 30-08-2021 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15975869)
New entries into the top ten for week ending 31 August 1991:

Gett Off by Prince and the New Power Generation - Prince was moving towards the end game in terms of being a continuous hit machine and the album from which this came, Diamonds and Pearls, was probably his last hurrah in terms of sales volumes. This is a typical pervy funk offering which introduced the voice of Rosie Gaines.

Sunshine On A Rainy Day by Zoe - One hit wonder, another of those tracks that you'll only hear on Absolute Radio 90s these days. Big shouty chorus but unmemorable really.

I'll Be Back by Arnee and the Terminators - A novelty cash in on the summer's big movie, Terminator 2. A complete pile of junk, I have a horrid feeling Steve Wright was somehow involved?

Happy Together by Jason Donovan - Another lame cover from Jason, it was becoming time for him to check out of his teen pop career and reinvent himself as a star of west end musicals. Dreadful stuff.

Love your memory jogging posts.

Prince - "23 positions in a one night stand" was one lyric. Jesus - think I'm struggling to make double figures total in the 30 years since. Those girls in the video!! :love::love: (Note - was 30 years ago - they might not be as hot as I remember if I watch it now)

Zoe - harmless catchy pop. Perfect for the time :p

The Arnee song - another one I recorded off the Top 40 and then would be embarrassed by when it came round on the tape years later. See also The Stonk from spring of this year for similar reaction. Funnily enough I remember Steve Wright for this as well. Used to have Radio 1 on where I worked and he played it every day but as to whether he was 'involved' I'm not sure. Maybe he simply gave it enough airplay to get sales started and into he charts like Jackie Brambles did with Cuddly Toy, Roachford a few years before (and for which I'll always lover her!)

No recollection of this Jason song. Funny how Rick Astley tried a post-SAW comeback around this time and failed (shame as Move Right Out was a good song.) Both had been A-List pop stars just two years before - both now faded. Nearly as quick to fade as most of the recent X Factor winners!

Bipe 30-08-2021 08:04 PM

I looked up Arnee and The Terminators - turns out the song was co-written and produced by one of Steve Wright's Radio 1 'posse', hence why he played the damn thing endlessly I suppose. So in a way we were both right. Or wrong.

I also watched the first minute of the Zoe video on Youtube for research purposes...confirmed my recollection that poor Zoe with her dyed blonde hair and black eyebrows didn't quite pull it off so to speak. Certainly no Cathy Dennis or Maxine from The KLF. I bet she is gutted about that. Also reminded me that the song is built on a shameless lift of the Soul II Soul patented shuffly drum loop.

bubbs11 30-08-2021 09:33 PM

PALACE 2. Thomas. Wright
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Bipe 31-08-2021 08:52 AM

This was one of the few games I attended in 1991/92 and I remember it quite vividly. Quite a hot sunny day, the Blades rocked up in their day-glo yellow kit which was quite a sight in the bright late summer sunshine.

In truth a very lucky win, Sheffield United were the better team for most of the game and we huffed and puffed without much impact before somehow pulling those two late goals out of the bag. It should be said that Glyn Hodges absolutely ran the show for them and was by far the best player on the pitch, capped off by a wonderful curling goal which I was directly in line with stood on the Holmesdale. As noted in the match report he played in a floating role behind the front two, very different to his limited appearances for us when he was shoved out on the wing in a very rigid formation. Clearly Dave Bassett was a manager he knew and trusted from his Wimbledon days so they thrived together.

As we mentioned on the 1990/91 thread last year, Hodges was definitely not a bad player, just a very bad fit for us and a somewhat baffling signing from Coppell. Looking at Wikipedia, I am reminded that he had a similarly brief and unhappy spell at Newcastle a few years prior to us, which Bassett again rescued him from when at Watford. Interestingly his transfer fee for the Blades was part-funded by their version of Lifeline, i.e. the fans stumped up the cash.

Bipe 31-08-2021 08:57 AM

Looking at the league table, we had two games in hand on most of the others due to our late start. A win in just one of them would put us right in and around the top sides, so the season was starting well again not withstanding that unlucky defeat to Man City in the opening game. Interesting to note that Man Utd and Leeds were the only two unbeaten teams after 5 games, stark contrast to the previous season when us, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs all remained unbeaten well into late autumn. Luton really struggling at the bottom, just 1 goal scored and 11 conceded in their opening 5 games (although weirdly 4 of those had been away from home).

JJ 31-08-2021 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15977147)
This was one of the few games I attended in 1991/92 and I remember it quite vividly. Quite a hot sunny day, the Blades rocked up in their day-glo yellow kit which was quite a sight in the bright late summer sunshine.

I think their day-glo yellow kit was the season before. As per the pictures above, they wore white in 91-92.

Bipe 31-08-2021 09:22 AM

I obviously didn't remember it as vividly as I thought then! Thanks for the correction.

Grim Reaper 31-08-2021 09:27 AM

Classic Palace of 1991 - not entirely convincing yet chalked up another 2-1 win, just as we'd done several times earlier in the year (note, I think it might have only been only three but as those three were all in a row in March, I've got it in my head every game was a 2-1 win in '91!)

Two things stand out to me from this game

1. That team always made you think it could come back. So much heart and no little skill. And this was a classic example. Sheer will was enough to get the win when we really didn't deserve it.

2. Sheffield's goalie caught the ball, dribbled it out of the area, then quickly retreated and picked it back up when Brighty chased him down. The ref was blind to this but Brighty knew the rules and clearly lost his shit and explained what the law of the game was. The ref acknowledged Brighty was right and Palace got a free kick on the edge of the box. Nothing came of it but I always loved Brighty for that - having the energy to pressure the goalie in the first place and then literally teaching the ref the law of the game to get us the free kick!

Polak 31-08-2021 09:27 AM

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I remember Howard Wilkinson interviewed on Football Focus on the first day of the league season, complaining about our game having to be postponed. The interviewer said something like, ‘Do you think Palace should be punished?’ and Wilkinson spat out, ‘Well something needs to be done!’ Always remembered that as was watching with friends and we found his annoyance OTT and amusing, and that phrase then became part of our repertoire of impressions we’d throw out on a night out.

I remember this and found it particularly annoying at the time and Jim Rosenthal was sucking up to him and saying that he agreed. Wilkinson said that if a player doesn't turn up for a tennis match, the other player wins and therefore Leeds should get the 3 points. What he didn't say was that Palace had asked the league for a low-key match for the 1st game of the season and instead got Leeds who had scummiest fans around and caused trouble all over the country and therefore, due to the building work, there was no option but to postpone. Should I really have held this grudge for 30 years?:supergrin::supergrin:

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Grim Reaper 31-08-2021 12:36 PM

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Should I really have held this grudge for 30 years?:supergrin::supergrin:

Absolutely. I applaud this grudge. :p

I feel ashamed that I didn't also hold this grudge in all honesty

Grim Reaper 31-08-2021 12:39 PM

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Sir SC notes.

I like the way Lord Coppell describes his column as a 'letter', almost as if he's hand writing from the Western Front in WW1. :D

bubbs11 31-08-2021 06:38 PM

I’m ashamed to say I have no recollection of this game at all. I know I was there as I never missed a home game for 10 years up to that point.

What I do clearly recall were the Vinny Jones comments prior to the game. As it turned out he was sold to Chelsea just before this match. But his comment calling us ‘horrible so and so’s that stamp on people’, was another weapon to be used against us by those who felt we needed bringing down a step or two. It was drip, drip, drip from the FA Cup Final replay onwards really. Denis Law’s disgraceful co commentary, backed up by Ian Green…the bloodied battles with Everton…it was all beginning to feel like a vendetta from the media and in hindsight, was building to a crescendo, coming to a head with the racism storm.

Grim Reaper 01-09-2021 12:39 AM

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was building to a crescendo, coming to a head with the racism storm.

There was a piece in 90 Minutes around this time titled 'Why Does Everyone hate Crystal Palace?'

I'm not saying the magazine was biased against Palace (quote the opposite in fact, I think half the staff were Palace fans including the editor) and I also know it was a feature that ran for at least a few weeks as Nick Hornby makes reference to the week Arsenal were the featured 'hated team' at the end of Fever Pitch. Just the fact that 'little' Palace were in that conversation 15 months after having been the underdog heroes of that first Cup Final was a crazy turnaround.

As for the race row I guess as it was broadcast on or around 10th Sept (from memory) that the interviews had already been taped. At this point in time 30 years ago Channel 4 had the ticking bomb in their hands to really screw our club and none of us knew what was coming. That's almost eery!

Bipe 01-09-2021 10:26 AM

Vinny Jones also said around this time that Palace were the one team he didn't look forward to playing against, due to our physicality. Funnily enough I took his comments as something of a back-handed compliment, he was someone who thrived on his hard man image and he felt that the majority of opponents could be bullied to an extent. But here he was admitting that Palace were the exception to the rule, we were a team who stood up for ourselves and gave as good as they got. Given the context of who was making the comments I took them in a relatively positive way. Certainly when you think of the spine of our team - Young and Thorn, Thomas and Gray, Wright and Bright - the phrase 'taking no prisoners' springs readily to mind. We were absolutely a physical team but we weren't overly dirty, as our reasonably good disciplinary record during that era showed. I can't remember many red cards at all other than those which weren't really relevant to the narrative e.g. Nigel Martyn against Wimbledon.

Grim Reaper 01-09-2021 12:26 PM

I had a letter printed in 90 Minutes at the end of the previous season in response to the moaning fans in the previous week's issue re the 'outrageous decision' to award Palace the Fair Play award for the preceding month (was either March or April).

I pointed out it wasn't a 'decision' - it was based on the fact we got a single yellow card in 5 games! Hardly peak-Uruguay stuff!

Grim Reaper 01-09-2021 12:29 PM

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Vinny Jones also said around this time that Palace were the one team he didn't look forward to playing against, due to our physicality.

I think I heard similar from maybe Fash or Wise around that era talking about the one team Wimbledon were a tad wary of was Palace. I was immensely proud of that.

Thomas & Gray in the middle backed down from nobody and I mean NOBODY.

They way they handled so-called tough guy Steve McMahon at Villa Park always sticks out in my mind.

PemboExpress 02-09-2021 11:26 PM

The recent musical references on other threads has made me re-visit this page.

I do remember the Wimbledon and Sheff Utd games. The first was an incident packed cracker whereas the Sheff Utd one was a bit more of a slog.

These were the days when we never knew we were beaten though and Thomas and co dragged us through the mire those last 10 mins against Sheff Utd. It felt doubly nice putting one over Bassett.

It was very odd seeing Pembo in a Sheff Utd shirt though.

bubbs11 03-09-2021 10:41 PM

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bubbs11 03-09-2021 11:08 PM

This midweek game was probably the last match when all was still rosy in the garden that Coppell built. Coming home from the game I genuinely felt we had a chance of winning the title; a thought echoed by Geoff Thomas on BBC radio after the game. By the following Saturday morning, the race row news broke in the papers, shattering the club, and 7 years of a constant rise to the top of the rollercoaster, was about to take a sudden steep drop down.

I made the trip to Villa Park. I got lucky as I didn’t plan to go, but bumped into a mate in the local corner shop the day before, who told me he was going and asked if I fancied travelling up with him in another mates car. Remember us looking so strong on the night even if Villa gave us a few scares at the end. It looked like we’d taken the experience of the season before and added a bit more assurance to our game.

I was right behind Ian Wright’s early winner and he came over to where I was standing behind the goal to celebrate with an unusually for him, subdued celebration, and I’m sure he looked straight at me holding up one finger in celebration.

At the start of the season I had noted to friends that Wrighty wasn’t his normal excitable, enthusiastic self. I put that down at the time to him being more professional, older and wiser. When the Arsenal signing bombshell hit, I suddenly thought that maybe, mentally he was moving away from Palace already. He did say in his first book that in that summer, he knew Arsenal were after him and he begged Noades to let him go.

Anyway, by the end of the game, we all celebrated behind that goal, our latest victory. I remember having words with a Villa steward who was clearly put out that we’d beaten them and unusually for me I gave it the big headed sarcastic response, telling him not to worry as I felt Villa would just about stay up this season. He wasn’t happy. Wonder if he remembered that a year later and had a chuckle to himself.

art malice 04-09-2021 01:17 AM

Notts County going well, albeit with a negative goal difference. Was Warnock still there? Remember going there for the 3-2 but not sure that’s this season

bubbs11 04-09-2021 07:21 AM

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Notts County going well, albeit with a negative goal difference. Was Warnock still there? Remember going there for the 3-2 but not sure that’s this season

Yes it was, and Warnock was at the helm too. Funny thing was, that summer when Notts County went up, Ken Bates actually offered Warnock the Chelsea job after getting rid of John Hollins. Warnock was going to take it but the County chairman and players begged him to stay and he felt that loyalty towards them, so he did.

Remember reading about it in Neil’s autobiography, and in typically hard done by Warnock style, he said it was the worst decision he ever made, as County got relegated and he ended up getting shafted by the chairman and sacked the following season anyway.

Chelsea hired Bobby Campbell and Warnock’s big moment had passed him by. :)

Bipe 04-09-2021 11:58 AM

I was also at this game with it being midweek and not interfering with my Saturday playing commitments. I remember it pretty much as the match report summarises - we played really well first half and should have scored more, then absorbed some heavy Villa pressure in the second half.

I must have been close to Bubbs in the stand behind the goal because we were also very close to the celebrations when Wright scored. In contrast to his subdued celebration Geoff Thomas was in very exuberant mood, giving it a loud 'come ON lads!' to the fans. I believe this is quite well captured in the TV footage of the goal.

As a couple of footnotes: first the attendance, only 20,000, when was the last time Villa had a gate that low? And second, I believe (as has been pointed out to me before on here when I thought he'd been playing for us!) Paul Mortimer played for Villa in this game, shortly before he signed for Palace.

PemboExpress 04-09-2021 04:17 PM

I remember attending the Villa game. I took a half or whole's day holiday and got the train up (I am pretty sure it was the football special) and getting off at Witton to be frogmarched by West Midlands finest (erm) to the ground.

I remember how brilliant the Brazil kit looked under the lights (was this its first outing ?) and instantly being rewarded through Wrighty's early goal. I think I must have been near you Bubbs as I remember too Wrighty running to near where I was seated/standing. I seem to remember us being excellent that 1st half, especially Eddie and being gutted we hadn't added to our lead. I seem to recall us coming under a lot more pressure 2nd half but we had enough guile and know how to see it out. With 3 wins on the bounce we looked good to continue our upwardly momentum.

Again, we were frogmarched back to the train station and I don't recall saying a word let alone celebrating such was WMP's notoriety towards football fans at that time.

jaspercpfc 04-09-2021 09:43 PM

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By the following Saturday morning, the race row news broke in the papers, shattering the club, and 7 years of a constant rise to the top of the rollercoaster, was about to take a sudden steep drop down.

I was only young, but does anyone have a copy of the C4 documentary "GB United" I know it was conveniently edited, but I've never actively seen it for myself.

Bipe 06-09-2021 10:23 AM

New entries into the top ten for week ending 7 September 1991:

Insanity by Oceanic - This takes me back, a rave anthem of the time with a pulsating chorus and massively popular, it got to number three but was also the ninth best-selling single of the year, spending nine weeks in the top ten.

Love...Thy Will Be Done by Martika - One of Prince's proteges / playthings, he co-wrote and produced this moody number which was later ripped off by Texas for their comeback smash hit Say What You Want.

macstar 06-09-2021 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bipe (Post 15989372)
New entries into the top ten for week ending 7 September 1991:

Insanity by Oceanic - This takes me back, a rave anthem of the time with a pulsating chorus and massively popular, it got to number three but was also the ninth best-selling single of the year, spending nine weeks in the top ten.

Love...Thy Will Be Done by Martika - One of Prince's proteges / playthings, he co-wrote and produced this moody number which was later ripped off by Texas for their comeback smash hit Say What You Want.

Funnily enough Top of the Pops replays on BBC4 are at 1991 at the mo. (U may already know this!)

Martikas 'Toy Soldiers' was a great tune, and she was quite hot too!


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