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Percy Dalton 18-07-2022 05:41 PM

The article is headed

"Debt-zombie Barcelona can only be saved by the European Super League
Catalan giants have more riding on attempts to revive the ESL than anyone given the way they have gambled with their financial future"

This was published in the Telegraph written by Sam Wallace on the 16th. Sorry cannot get the link due to blockingbut google it. Makes interesting reading.

thereichstuff 18-07-2022 05:48 PM

It hasnít gone away.

PeterH 18-07-2022 05:49 PM

One issue that could cause a problem is playing time.

If we are starting to shift players between countries to get valuable experience - perhaps to find the next Messi - you fear that there would be some insistence in getting the lads in the first team and on the pitch. Our ncurrent modal is finding some of the best talent in the 19-23 year age range with games under their belts and easing them into the team.

How do raw 18/19 year olds with no European football experience fit into that. And if they play in our development teams, how does that impact the acadamy products and others that we have recently been recruiting. Some players will lose out to accomodate the potential influx.

If there is an insistence on them playing that will rub managers, coaches and even DF and MB up the wrong way.

PeterH 18-07-2022 06:00 PM

While we abhor the idea of an ESL, at least that closed shop one that was proposed, I think there is a fair argument about looking at UEFA's role in a great number of areas.

Even their ideas of expansion don't solve anything and just create more games. A lot of their FFP rules are a joke, as are their allowance of PSG and Man City - albeit they turned a blind eye as to how and why Real Madrid and Barcelona got into such a state - and thought it perfectly fair for them to sweep up all the talent and have the best years of Messi and Ronaldo.

I think there is more than a fair argument that UEFA are not fit for purpose (the same as FIFA).

Saying all of that, I would be opening champagne bottle if one or both of Real Madrid and/or Barcelona went bust. Despite all their problems, they still find money to re-build stadiums and try and buy players like Mbappe. They are still overspending, and it is galling that they are whining about how unfair it all is.

Juventus and the Milan brothers are another example. Wages, wages, wages - all very clever have Ronaldo, Sanchez, Lukaku etc.. No-one wants to touch some of these players now. Ronaldo will be finishing his career playing in Saudi.

red&blue_moomin 19-07-2022 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by eagleDAN (Post 16543865)
Every time I read an interview with him there's a always a worrying little quote or expression and a little part of me that dies.


Aside from all the flowery spiel ( most of it apparently straight out of the 'Neil Warnock guide to what to say when joining a new club' handbook ) saying stuff like "football clubs are undervalued" suggests that he just doesn't seem to get the fundamentals:

They are never 'undervalued' by us the fans; if anything we do just the opposite. But this is an emotional valuation and he doesnt do that. Hes a money man. 100%

I simply hate the idea of palace being packaged up into a worldwide group of clubs and I fear that's where this all ends.

I wish he'd just disappear.

Should we get rid of Steve then? He's been saying the club has been far below it's potential for decades. Which is a nice way of saying undervalued...... Every owner in the prem is a money man now. Steve included. The prem is a huge business now as are the clubs in it.

LesPaul 19-07-2022 01:21 PM

Socialists on here always moaning. If Textor turns us into a massive club with world class talent on a conveyor belt you'll soon drop your holier than thou rhetoric.

Stellavista 19-07-2022 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LesPaul (Post 16545013)
Socialists on here always moaning. If Textor turns us into a massive club with world class talent on a conveyor belt you'll soon drop your holier than thou rhetoric.

'Socialists'.
Don't be an arse.

eagleDAN 19-07-2022 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by red&blue_moomin (Post 16544441)
Should we get rid of Steve then? He's been saying the club has been far below it's potential for decades. Which is a nice way of saying undervalued...... Every owner in the prem is a money man now. Steve included. The prem is a huge business now as are the clubs in it.

sort of, its about motives.

But potential is part of any financial valuation - he wouldn't invest in a business that's reached its full potential. it would be valued at the peak and could only go down.
That's why the likes of Chelsea still need to fix the rules to reduce risk of failure - to create the headroom to expand further. Textor cant afford that size of club.
Textor's comments makes me feel that his gamble is that Football is about the make the next big leap ( Euro leagues? no relegation ?) and if he can get a bit of that pie ( albeit a palace sized bit ) hes coining it. Sod the integrity of the sport or clubs involved.

And therefore i'm not sure that Steve's use of potential is quite the same - i think he feels the club can be more successful in winning things by harnessing the potential of the location - 'sleeping giant' and all that stuff weve heard for decades. Of course, he'll make money too - but hes got an affinity with the club & area that Textor wont .


Thats the difference as i see it.

Nth Kent Eagle 19-07-2022 02:34 PM

I think most of us who stood on the terraces against Burnley on that Friday night think there is untapped potential unfortunately it won't be realised until more fans can get in to see the games. That will require sales promotion, building of local support etc which won't happen until we have spare capacity.

thereichstuff 19-07-2022 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LesPaul (Post 16545013)
Socialists on here always moaning. If Textor turns us into a massive club with world class talent on a conveyor belt you'll soon drop your holier than thou rhetoric.

Oh **** off. It doesnít sit comfortably with me ok.

LesPaul 19-07-2022 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stellavista (Post 16545104)
'Socialists'.
Don't be an arse.

They are socialists though. Its not a dig I'm just pointing out that in order to improve we need to do things like this.

LesPaul 19-07-2022 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thereichstuff (Post 16545133)
Oh **** off. It doesnít sit comfortably with me ok.

Then watch citizen smith:D

eagleDAN 19-07-2022 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LesPaul (Post 16545013)
Socialists on here always moaning. If Textor turns us into a massive club with world class talent on a conveyor belt you'll soon drop your holier than thou rhetoric.

Quite how youve jumped to that conclusion only you will know.
but.....
im not a socialist.
and i genuinely dont want us to be a 'massive club' if ManUtd is that model.

But, you feel free to go cream your pants at the thought. I suspect you already have.

Wookiee_Time 19-07-2022 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LesPaul (Post 16545144)
They are socialists though. Its not a dig I'm just pointing out that in order to improve we need to do things like this.

Capitalism is destroying football.

ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-o 19-07-2022 06:05 PM

And we're off...a nice old political bun fight on GPD. :(

thereichstuff 19-07-2022 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-o (Post 16545432)
And we're off...a nice old political bun fight on GPD. :(

Doesnít take much.

jamesc_24 19-07-2022 06:45 PM

I see Botafogo have signed once of West Brom Perria (sp) from Saudi Arabia. He was mustard for one season then disappeared!

Penstone Eagle 19-07-2022 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-o (Post 16545432)
And we're off...a nice old political bun fight on GPD. :(

It'll turn into a pun fight soon

Palace Yankee 19-07-2022 07:13 PM

A half-baked one at that.

STOCKTON 26-08-2022 02:18 PM

We're beginning to see his game-plan springing into life through loan activity this week.

The loan of Plange to Molenbeek suits Textor, and no-one else. It's a huge step down for Plange, who was on our bench only this season and is a very good Championship player. Loan deals should be of benefit to the player and not using players as a pawn within a wider, long-term business goal...It could disrupt and confuse our tight, cohesive squad too.

At a time when the club is doing so well from its fiercely local, community-focused model, Textor's vision of multi-club globalism does seem confusing and at odds with our south London and proud vision.


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