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Originally Posted by Vince Hilaire's Afro
(Post 15939524)
My point is that the Americans invested in our club and seem to have pretty much let SP get on with it. The 'denigrated' squad they've financed has secured multiple comfortable finishes in the PL, and also financed the upheaval of said squad.
You seem to have an opinion that the performance and intention of 'American investors' in English football are all the same, whereas I am preferring to solely look at our beloved, benevolent uncle Sams in isolation.
I am very happy with their contribution, even if it's not as good as the ones you prefer that they have seemingly cockblocked from our club.
Once again, thank you, Americans
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I never said I saw all Americans as 'all the same' or that I wanted them 'cockblocked'. Please, you clearly want to compete against my point but let's not Straw Man. That is done when someone realizes they are losing a debate, especially one they started and has insisted on continuing.
I originally stated that I feel, generally, that Americans have been harmful to the 'soul' of our sport. As I have stated before, if you wish to disagree with that generalization, then have the courage to do so explicitly. Say that Americans, in general, have been good for football and make a case.
But please don't think you have the right to disagree with my larger point, refuse to agree to 'call it a draw,' as I offered, keep arguing with me and, all the while, also deciding to exclude discussing ( or defending ) the recent, appalling behaviour of American investors within the Premier League. That's not right.
I say American investors are harming the game. My POV isn't affected by any positive examples of American investment that may exist, if the bulk of what they do is harmful. If the attempted EPL breakaway ( spearheaded by Americans ) and what it would have done to the entire football pyramid isn't enough to justify my original opinion then all I can say is you are at odds with the sentiment of most football fans.
Sorry, but you started this. I tried to walk away and you persisted. So I'm not now going to let you separate and jettison the more indisputable parts of my original opinion to try to insist you are right. I didn't want this little competition you started and so now you need to either state that Americans are a universal good for football or stop trying to justify pursuing and disputing my original post the way you have done. Remember, I offered to just call it a 'draw' but that wasn't good enough for you.
So which is it? Are Americans a universal good for football or will you finally leave me alone? Please don't continue to tell me I'm wrong while ignoring the most fundamental part of my argument.
Not that you make a much better point by your weak insistence that 'our' Americans have been benevolent and our saviours. ( as if that means ALL Americans are above reproach ) Our squad HAS been allowed to denigrate, particularly in midfield. It was Zaha, our defense and Roy who did far more to keep us up than the Americans. They have not dragged us up by our bootstraps, as any analysis of our spending for three years has shown. Roy kept us up despite the investment the Yanks sanctioned, not because of it.
So, no, I won't be thanking the Americans for buying into our club and then starving Roy of the ability to keep us up -outside of playing the painful and limited version of Royball he had no choice but to employ for our survival.
Similarly, I won't thank Americans ( or the Sheiks or Oligarchs either ) for the general state of the greed in our game -much of it created by the ruthless business mindset of Americans.
If others want to be halfway to chanting 'USA! USA! USA!' then that's their business. But, please, either stop arguing with my opinion or have the honesty to argue with the much more indisputable aspects of my original post -that Americans have been instrumental in ruining the spirit of football.
I'm inviting you again to call this a draw. I don't need you to agree with me and I never wanted this debate. But unless you want to end it here, then you will need to at least attempt to defend what has been going on in football this last year, based mainly on American influence. You can't separate that aspect from my original post, unless you simply want to disagree for the sake of it?