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Yoda 11-02-2019 06:30 PM

Well he’s got a blooming cheek extolling Parish to pay for a new stand given how they’ve pinched the Taxpayers Stadium.

It is indeed an old stand, can’t argue with that. But part of his problem seems to revolve around Hammers fans squeezing into more desirable rows, whilst also painting his fellow fans as faultless on this.

Not using their designated seats created crowding, so they should accept personal responsibility for that. He’d argue our stewards should have been prevented that...I can see his point, but I imagine it’s hard for stewards to keep firm control on this when all the away fans are standing. And maybe the stewards don’t want to spark grief with a notorious group of away fans, so they turn a blind eye to keep the peace?

sideburns7 11-02-2019 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CP-RJW (Post 14642844)
Only stand Iíve never been in, and never really want to be in. Sympathies with home fans, donít give a toss what away fans think.

Was at one time the stand to be in
When it was half seats half standing

JAS78 11-02-2019 06:56 PM

It’s a brilliant stand to watch football, the atmosphere in there can be pretty electric most weeks when the players are putting in a performance

However it rained Saturday which made the concourse before kickoff a very unpleasant experience, completely overcrowded and all the resulting queuing

Can someone remind me, is any of the £100M development money heading over to the Arthur?

BERT'S HEAD 11-02-2019 07:06 PM

If you could magic yourself from the street to your seat and the reverse at the end there would be no complaints from me. But bladders are a bastard.

Dorking .Eagle 11-02-2019 07:12 PM

The away fans have a disproportionate amount of space compared to the home section, so it's worse for home fans.

Problem is, away fans are more likely to expect to get food and drink, meaning more rammed concourse (regular home fans in the AW have lower expectations of such things so eat and drink before going in)

Biggest issue imo is the bloody gantry, esp. For the back 8 or so rows. It cuts off views of all high balls. The gantry will go when the new stand isbuilt, so 2023 then.

Fatboy 11-02-2019 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Maz (Post 14642845)
Iíve been in all four stands. But the Arthur is my firm favourite.

So good - even Birmingham away fans tried to get in there (long ago)
:p

NorthPalace23 11-02-2019 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips (Post 14642827)
Heís just salty because there wasnít 40 yards of running track in front of him.

West Ham Athletic.

Need a pair of binoculars at their stadium.

sideburns7 11-02-2019 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatboy (Post 14642914)
So good - even Birmingham away fans tried to get in there (long ago)
:p

They got into seats as that was standard practice and the gave it a go
But they didn't get into standing they tried

desperado 11-02-2019 07:22 PM

The stand is fifty years old this summer. Dubbed the six week wonder as the building of the stand was completed and fitted out in the time between winning promotion and playing the first ever First Division game against Manchester United on August 9

There was none of this pissing about and playing games away from home until the work was completed. My dad worked on the stand and visiting him one day during the summer I got to meet Arthur Wait who worked on the stand every day

I don't take any notice of any visiting fans who don't like it

Sick Bucket 11-02-2019 07:24 PM

**** em, don't come again you whinging mockney twat.

Brett 11-02-2019 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorking .Eagle (Post 14642909)
The away fans have a disproportionate amount of space compared to the home section, so it's worse for home fans.

Problem is, away fans are more likely to expect to get food and drink, meaning more rammed concourse (regular home fans in the AW have lower expectations of such things so eat and drink before going in)

Biggest issue imo is the bloody gantry, esp. For the back 8 or so rows. It cuts off views of all high balls. The gantry will go when the new stand isbuilt, so 2023 then.

Unless Peter Crouch is playing, do fans really need to see the ball whilst 50 feet in the air? Not being sarky, genuine question.

Sick Bucket 11-02-2019 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett (Post 14642931)
Unless Peter Crouch is playing, do fans really need to see the ball whilst 50 feet in the air? Not being sarky, genuine question.

It is a bit annoying to lose sight of the ball, you have to guess where it's going to reappear, would've been worse 30 years ago in the hoof ball era.

Dorking .Eagle 11-02-2019 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett (Post 14642931)
Unless Peter Crouch is playing, do fans really need to see the ball whilst 50 feet in the air? Not being sarky, genuine question.

You always had (have?) a good view - I believe you were right behind the old 'wall' just about halfway back.

You must be aware of the view in the back 7/8 rows, where you can barely see above the lino on the opposite side? The mega gantry caused that

http://i67.tinypic.com/af8oj8.jpg

Hence loads in the away end who don't want to put up with that squeeze into rows further forward.

Not saying it's not just as bad at the back of the lower tier at Everton (with multiple pillars thrown in) or the back row of the away end at Liverpool (like watching through a letterbox) but IMO those tickets should be discounted.

The original AW gantry (1969-2013) was only in the centre of the stand - not across the whole stand, so for the back rows, the majority of the view across the pitch wasn't affected

Golf Boy 11-02-2019 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by APR2 (Post 14642808)
http://www.kumb.com/article.php?id=4290

Life must be so much easier when you can get the taxpayer to buy a stadium for you!:jerkit:

Left before half time for safety reasons. **** off. If there are crowds of people in the aisles then it is because they aren`t where they are supposed to be. Making it out like it was Hillsborough.

The tourists must not know what has hit them though when they get put in there.

ebyeeckeagle 11-02-2019 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett (Post 14642931)
Unless Peter Crouch is playing, do fans really need to see the ball whilst 50 feet in the air? Not being sarky, genuine question.

Make it 10 yards high. Or a corner. I actually do like to see the flight of the ball, not just leaving a foot and hitting a head a bit later.

Tim 11-02-2019 07:40 PM

He’s pretty much spot on. It’s an embarrassment & not fit for purpose in the Premier League not to mention potentially dangerous. I’ve been going there since I was a kid & that entrance hasn’t changed one bit.

Brett 11-02-2019 07:45 PM

Had a better view than in the picture, yes. It's actually much worse now we were forced to move to the Main Stand (long story, but I can sympathise with West Ham Wayne's ineffective/incompetent stewarding claim).

Am fully aware of the restricted view, as the AW gangways enter blocks where the second wall is, and genuinely always felt that whilst it was not ideal, if I had to move back for whatever reason, that I could still view the whole game.

IMV the worst thing about the AW view was always to do with the shallow rake, in that in encourages persistent standing, so that every time the ball was anywhere other than five yards either side of the halfway line, everyone would stand for a clearer view (which is much easier on the legs when you are younger - particularly when our team was playing more direct stuff!).

sideburns7 11-02-2019 07:54 PM

It is not perfect but having been in the lower holmesdale any corner you have to stand
Selhurst is an old stadium
Can't really see any resolution unless you want a wonky warehouse

Dorking .Eagle 11-02-2019 08:08 PM

The potential solutions are :

Remove the gantry completely (this will happen when the new stand opens lol)

Lose maybe one third of the seats (will never happen)

Have roaming refreshment sellers to reduce number of people going to concourse (when I stood in the AW enclosure, a supermarket trolley full of tuck used to be pushed along the front)

Try and use the Sainsburys lorry goods entrance as overspill space (would mean Whitehorse end couldn't use Park Road turnstiles). CPFC already have use of this area because the away team bus parks here.

eagles #1 11-02-2019 08:13 PM

Thatís how it should be. Miserable for all away fans. Hope he had a shit day.


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