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CP-RJW 08-02-2020 07:14 PM

Shocking management

PemboExpress 08-02-2020 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Glazier69 (Post 15099214)
PVA has been shyt for two seasons apart from a couple of half decent games. Really feel sorry for Jairo. He’ll probably go to a rival on a free then come back to haunt us.

Harsh on PVA.

I am afraid that when you have a back 8 so devoid of goals and creativity as we do PVA is a must. Just don't understand Wilf switching to right today. Did **** all there.

Gregz41 08-02-2020 07:38 PM

Agree with most other comments that not only he shouldn't be dropped, but he should be played in his preferred position. It's grating to hear Roy say "What people don't realise is that we've got 4 very good centre midfield players in front of Jairo and Max." No, we don't Roy. We have 4 midfielders that you continue to persist with in some boring variation who can't create anything, don't score goals, can't beat a man, can't carry the ball and can't pass between the lines.

Neither Max or Jairo have ever been afforded the luxury of the extended games the likes of McArthur, McCarthy, Kouyate and Milivojevic have been afforded. In 6 games out of 26 we have registered an xG rating of more than 1.0. 6!

bodger 08-02-2020 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregz41 (Post 15099396)
Agree with most other comments that not only he shouldn't be dropped, but he should be played in his preferred position. It's grating to hear Roy say "What people don't realise is that we've got 4 very good centre midfield players in front of Jairo and Max." No, we don't Roy. We have 4 midfielders that you continue to persist with in some boring variation who can't create anything, don't score goals, can't beat a man, can't carry the ball and can't pass between the lines.

Neither Max or Jairo have ever been afforded the luxury of the extended games the likes of McArthur, McCarthy, Kouyate and Milivojevic have been afforded. In 6 games out of 26 we have registered an xG rating of more than 1.0. 6!

For me in most games its Luka or Kouyate McCarthy is a squad player and should not start Meyer or JR in his place AT and Wilf out wide Ayew and Tosun up front if we go 4.4.2.

Nostrils 08-02-2020 08:33 PM

It's a shame, a promising young player comes in with a point to prove, does very well out of position... and he gets dropped. Where's the incentive to continue pushing for a place? We've got a seriously aging squad already and won't be in the least bit surprised if he wants to move on in the summer. Add that to a load of contracts coming to the end and we have an awful lot of business to do.

CpfcLoz 08-02-2020 09:28 PM

whats more frustrating is that our midfield 3 know that they dont have perform because Roy wont drop them. mccarthy and luka we're shite again today, yet max and jairo still wont get a chance. in the past they have played well then dropped the next game. it just seems like some players aren't treated equally by Roy.

stinky 08-02-2020 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PemboExpress (Post 15099386)
Harsh on PVA.

I am afraid that when you have a back 8 so devoid of goals and creativity as we do PVA is a must. Just don't understand Wilf switching to right today. Did **** all there.

PVA is a defender. It's his job. And he's shocking at it.

PemboExpress 08-02-2020 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stinky (Post 15099522)
PVA is a defender. It's his job. And he's shocking at it.

Again somewhat harsh. Yes he has his switch off moments but he is generally reliable and actually offers an attacking threat whereas the rest of our back 4 and midfield 3 rarely do. Who else would you play at LB ? Please don't say Jairo - we would barely get out our own half.

Jordan555x 08-02-2020 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PemboExpress (Post 15099538)
Again somewhat harsh. Yes he has his switch off moments but he is generally reliable and actually offers an attacking threat whereas the rest of our back 4 and midfield 3 rarely do. Who else would you play at LB ? Please don't say Jairo - we would barely get out our own half.

Jairo really wasn't bad at all going forward. Quite good in his link ups with Wilf which many on here remarked. PVA is nowhere near good in attack as many on here like to make out. Good in fleeting moments but when was the last time he won a player of the month award? You just DON'T drop the POTM in any circumstances. It reflects very badly on the player morale as well as overall team morale. Piss poor man management.

Plenty on here were defending it and have now oddly gone silent now PVA has a really bad game as opposed to an average game vs Sheffield Utd.

I have been very defensive over Roy up until he did that and was one of the first to call him out on it.

PemboExpress 08-02-2020 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan555x (Post 15099556)
Jairo really wasn't bad at all going forward. Quite good in his link ups with Wilf which many on here remarked. PVA is nowhere near good in attack as many on here like to make out. Good in fleeting moments but when was the last time he won a player of the month award? You just DON'T drop the POTM in any circumstances. It reflects very badly on the player morale as well as overall team morale. Piss poor man management.

Plenty on here were defending it and have now oddly gone silent now PVA has a really bad game as opposed to an average game vs Sheffield Utd.

I have been very defensive over Roy up until he did that and was one of the first to call him out on it.

Jairo may have been voted potm but we have not won a game in 2020 and it was little more than a vote for someone who exceeded low expectations. Let's not pretend he set the month on fire.

stinky 08-02-2020 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PemboExpress (Post 15099538)
Again somewhat harsh. Yes he has his switch off moments but he is generally reliable and actually offers an attacking threat whereas the rest of our back 4 and midfield 3 rarely do. Who else would you play at LB ? Please don't say Jairo - we would barely get out our own half.

Switch off moments? **** sake you can't defend him having switch off moments. I don't care how good he is going forward. His job is to tackle wingers and stop crosses going in. He did neither for the first goal.

And yes Jairo. Again, don't give a shit how good he is in attack. There's a reason he won player of the month. He was excellent at LB.

stinky 08-02-2020 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PemboExpress (Post 15099569)
Jairo may have been voted potm but we have not won a game in 2020 and it was little more than a vote for someone who exceeded low expectations. Let's not pretend he set the month on fire.

Oh do **** off you weirdo. He was superb.

Nostrils 08-02-2020 10:31 PM

As many have mentioned already, a left sided combination of PvA and Jairo should be both defensively sound and still have a good attacking threat with Jairo's passing linking the central midfield as well. I hope we get to see it someday soon.

PvA wasn't so effective today in defence, but he's been out for a while and was only a whisker away from scoring. We need him in the team.

PemboExpress 08-02-2020 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stinky (Post 15099572)
Oh do **** off you weirdo. He was superb.

No need for personal abuse pal. Disagree with me by all means but do not resort to personal insults when you do not even know me.

Gregz41 08-02-2020 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bodger (Post 15099441)
For me in most games its Luka or Kouyate McCarthy is a squad player and should not start Meyer or JR in his place AT and Wilf out wide Ayew and Tosun up front if we go 4.4.2.

Not opposed to this. If we’re not going to play our more technical midfielders then perhaps we should go for a target man in a 442.

palacemetros 08-02-2020 11:25 PM

He showed enough to keep a starting place.

Frank would have.

Eddie McGoldrick's tash 08-02-2020 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PemboExpress (Post 15099569)
Jairo may have been voted potm but we have not won a game in 2020 and it was little more than a vote for someone who exceeded low expectations. Let's not pretend he set the month on fire.

This.

chateauferret 09-02-2020 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PemboExpress (Post 15099569)
Jairo may have been voted potm but we have not won a game in 2020 and it was little more than a vote for someone who exceeded low expectations. Let's not pretend he set the month on fire.

I don't see how you can say Riedewald hasn't shown enough to get a go in his proper position when you look at how shocking Milivojevic and McCarthy have been lately. Yesterday they were both absolute toilet. Same goes for Meyer whose impact yesterday was bugger all.

What's more Milivojevic is going to get another ban soon.

Is Riedewald carrying some sort of knock?

Sharkba1t 09-02-2020 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PemboExpress (Post 15099569)
Jairo may have been voted potm but we have not won a game in 2020 and it was little more than a vote for someone who exceeded low expectations. Let's not pretend he set the month on fire.

No, he didn’t but he was more than good enough. There are lots of things Roy does that are spot on, but this is very poor. Where is the incentive for players when this happens? Why do some players just walk in to the team, whatever their form?

Ardent Eagle Forever 09-02-2020 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PemboExpress (Post 15099569)
Jairo may have been voted potm but we have not won a game in 2020 and it was little more than a vote for someone who exceeded low expectations. Let's not pretend he set the month on fire.

That's hardly his fault is it? He played well and was getting into his stride when Roy dropped him. Shocking action by the manager.


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