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Old 25-07-2021, 02:26 AM
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To be fair this is a significant change.
Tories 18 point lead among C2DE voters down to 3 points so better for Labour than LDs.
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Old 25-07-2021, 09:14 AM
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I was a member of the the NGA Sogat 82 and the GMB sure Iíd dance on the wicked witches grave and yes I stood on the picket lines in Wapping, but take a closer look the unions committed suicide with ridiculous demands and pub piss up policy. I watched and berated the city wankers who spat on the miners on London Bridge. Evolution and antiquated ideas killed the unions the bitch just jumped on it.
Were you a member of SOGAT and the NGA separately, or a member of the merged union? If you were a member of each at various times, then very well done because the NGA looked down on SOGAT and regarded them as hugely inferior and engaged in lots of restrictive practices to keep the SOGAT plebs out. SOGAT, in turn, looked down on the other unions lower down the pecking order. It was a bit like those sketched involving John Cleese looking down on Ronnie Barker who in turn looked down on Ronnie Corbett.

If you've been a member of both then you will have had a double whammy of the 'I'm alright Jack, and to hell with the rest' attitude in those and some other unions. There was nothing brotherly or socialist about it all. Those unions created their own failure.

You've mentioned NGA / SOGAT in the same breath as the miners, but that's like equating fans in the exclusive and expensive boxes at Wembley with the Holmesdale Fanatics.
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Old 26-07-2021, 05:20 PM
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I was a member of the the NGA Sogat 82 and the GMB sure Iíd dance on the wicked witches grave and yes I stood on the picket lines in Wapping, but take a closer look the unions committed suicide with ridiculous demands and pub piss up policy. I watched and berated the city wankers who spat on the miners on London Bridge. Evolution and antiquated ideas killed the unions the bitch just jumped on it.
Your profile states you're 44 years old.

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Old 27-07-2021, 09:55 PM
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The events were I think in 1986, Wapping picket line and the others, 45 years ago.

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Old 28-07-2021, 06:03 AM
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Not the first apparent contradiction from the fen chap.
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Old 28-07-2021, 06:53 AM
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I was a member of the the NGA Sogat 82 and the GMB sure I’d dance on the wicked witches grave and yes I stood on the picket lines in Wapping
At the age of 9??

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The events were I think in 1986, Wapping picket line and the others, 45 years ago.

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Not quite that young mind, 1986 is actually 35 years ago.
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Old 28-07-2021, 11:28 AM
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Your profile states you're 44 years old.

Just saying.
Age is just a number and 76 was a vintage year
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Old 28-07-2021, 07:56 PM
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The Labour Right are pretty much generally, historically speaking, further away from the Labour left, than most Liberal Democrats. It's not surprising how much division there is.
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The Labour Right are pretty much generally, historically speaking, further away from the Labour left, than most Liberal Democrats. It's not surprising how much division there is.
Labour right are people with a leftist's ideals but a conservative's fear of change. In that situation, the emotional argument always wins.

It's why the likes of James O'Brien argue by attacking the other person's view rather than make their own case. They have no convincing positive case to make because they always want everything to basically stay the same, but with nicer people in charge.
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Here it is. This is the first of a series of new and modern policies emerging now from Starmer's Labour, and it is an important and far reaching radical approach to employment law that is at the same time popular throughout the country:

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Here it is. This is the first of a series of new and modern policies emerging now from Starmer's Labour, and it is an important and far reaching radical approach to employment law that is at the same time popular throughout the country:

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This is what Labour should be all about in today's world, relevance and keeping to our traditional values of equality, fairness and justice, for all working people.
Thereís a balance to be had, as there is with all things, but we should always look over the channel to see how getting labour laws wrong can have huge implications for young workers.
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Here it is. This is the first of a series of new and modern policies emerging now from Starmer's Labour, and it is an important and far reaching radical approach to employment law that is at the same time popular throughout the country:

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Not being funny but this is pitiful.

No mention either of the anti union laws. And if there ever is a mention I suspect it will just be about the latest lot, leaving most in place.
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Not being funny but this is pitiful.

No mention either of the anti union laws. And if there ever is a mention I suspect it will just be about the latest lot, leaving most in place.
Are these proposals better than what we have now? A simple yes or no, please.
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Are these proposals better than what we have now? A simple yes or no, please.
Yes.

And we go back to the circular discussion that yes I’ll vote labour (despite the nonsense post by DM). But if being a bit better than the Tories is as good as it gets for humanity, then that’s depressing and grim. And ultimately that’s all someone like Starmer offers. Taking the edge of the misery that capitalism causes. (And apparently the barbarity of this system isn’t extreme…)
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Yes.

And we go back to the circular discussion that yes Iíll vote labour (despite the nonsense post by DM). But if being a bit better than the Tories is as good as it gets for humanity, then thatís depressing and grim. And ultimately thatís all someone like Starmer offers. Taking the edge of the misery that capitalism causes. (And apparently the barbarity of this system isnít extremeÖ)
The true sad fact is that the electorate under the FPTP system, will never elect the doctrine of the traditional old left. Labour has to modernise and be relevant, and it has to change, to actually get into power. Once in power, then maybe we can work towards something a bit better. Sniping from the comfort of a desired but unachievable socialist purism out of power is demoralising and futile.
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How will this precisely help agency workers, builders forced into the CIS scheme or those working under the banner of Deliveroo, Pimlico Plumbers or in the parcels industry?
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