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Old 19-06-2018, 12:08 PM
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Vey clear that incompetence wasn't the issue for the VAR non decisions. Hopefully England have told FIFA to make sure people who cant be corrupted make the decisions next time or we might as well walk away.
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Ok - so for the sake of clarity you've argued here that the ref may have given France a penalty for obstruction and you've argued elsewhere that it was definitely a penalty and you've suggested to pretty much anyone who doesn't think the ref was right on this occasion should go and read the rules ... or forever sound like a pundit.
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Old 19-06-2018, 02:24 PM
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Bbc showed them again earlier and did identify on the first (Kane being WWF style to the floor) that Stones pushes his player before so this COULD excuse the VAR but as for the other one...
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I will. When I grew up playing, if you got the ball first you were in the clear. Mind you, it was a contact sport then.
He got a touch on the ball but then Griezmann was still in control of the ball and advancing on goal, and the follow through took him out to impede a goal scoring opportunity, if the ball had changed direction out of Griezmann’s path I would agree with you. I can appreciate how people can see the other side but it’s a penalty for me.
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He got a touch on the ball but then Griezmann was still in control of the ball and advancing on goal, and the follow through took him out to impede a goal scoring opportunity, if the ball had changed direction out of Griezmann’s path I would agree with you. I can appreciate how people can see the other side but it’s a penalty for me.
Yeah that's fair enough. In fact today I saw someone get booked in a similar fashion, won the ball, but then tripped the opponent during his follow through. Was outside the box but I would have expected a pen for that. I guess a lot depends on how aware the ref feels you are. All about intent I guess.
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Couldn't see that decision going against the Russians if it wasn't already 3-0.
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Good job you aren't a ref then because we'd have to chant "You don't know what you're doing"

A direct free kick is awarded when a player......

.....Impedes the progress of an opponent with contact.

If a player commits a direct free kick offence within his own penalty area, a penalty kick is awarded irrespective of the position of the ball, provided the ball is in play.



Absolutely nothing on touching the ball, before or after. Suggest you send your outrage to FIFA


Joining you in the "I don't know the rules" basket are



Homework for tonight or forever sound like a pundit.
Actually, straight from FIFA's Laws of the Game;

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area)

Nothing about "contact".

Do you know what you are doing?
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Couldn't see that decision going against the Russians if it wasn't already 3-0.
No chance at 2-1.
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Old 20-06-2018, 06:10 AM
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Actually, straight from FIFA's Laws of the Game;

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area)

Nothing about "contact".

Do you know what you are doing?
This means jumping to avoid a challenge shouldn’t have any bearing on whether the ref awards a pen. If a defender slides in, misses the ball causing the attacker to jump to avoid the defender- penalty. Why does everyone say you musn’t try and stay on your feet?
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Old 20-06-2018, 08:37 AM
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Actually, straight from FIFA's Laws of the Game;

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area)

Nothing about "contact".

Do you know what you are doing?
Actually you stopped short of the complete law which goes on. I used copy and paste too but I'm better at it
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If the issue is trying to cycle through 25 different angles before play restarts they either need less angles or more people looking at the monitors
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Actually you stopped short of the complete law which goes on. I used copy and paste too but I'm better at it
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area)
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

still nothing about "contact"
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I can solve this dispute rather quickly.

The "impeding the progress of the opponent WITH CONTACT" Direct Free Kick foul is a new addition to the Laws of the Game, added by the IFAB for the 2018-2019 Laws, which did not apply to this past season but DO apply to the World Cup and all proceeding competitions.

A lot of previously INDIRECT free kick offenses (such as the one above) were changed to DIRECT free kicks (or penalty kicks) with the recent law changes. For example, "fouling" a substitute or a teammate can no longer be cheekily written in quotation marks, because they are now considered legitimate fouls punishable by direct free kick (or penalty kick). Same for offenses such as "fouling" a player off the field*, "fouling" a player while the ball is not in play, or entering the field without permission (such as for a return from injury) and interfering with play.

*It's really hard for me to type that without quotation marks; these have NOT been fouls for decades!
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Time to drop the dead donkey. That was appalling . the players and Management of POrtufgal and IraN HAVE DIVEN A COACH AND HORSES AND SHOWN HOW TO RENDER IT A COMPLETE ******* FARCE ERENDERING THE MATCH UNWATCHABLE.aNYOHE WANTS THIS NEEDS TO SCREW THEIR HEAD ON THE OTHER WAY.
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Time to drop the dead donkey. That was appalling . the players and Management of POrtufgal and IraN HAVE DIVEN A COACH AND HORSES AND SHOWN HOW TO RENDER IT A COMPLETE ******* FARCE ERENDERING THE MATCH UNWATCHABLE.aNYOHE WANTS THIS NEEDS TO SCREW THEIR HEAD ON THE OTHER WAY.
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Time to drop the dead donkey. That was appalling . the players and Management of POrtufgal and IraN HAVE DIVEN A COACH AND HORSES AND SHOWN HOW TO RENDER IT A COMPLETE ******* FARCE ERENDERING THE MATCH UNWATCHABLE.aNYOHE WANTS THIS NEEDS TO SCREW THEIR HEAD ON THE OTHER WAY.
Say it as you see it

Clearly Portugal, that ref, pressure, and VAR aren't a good match.
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